Anonymous
Post 01/14/2020 22:31     Subject: Cheer on Netflix
so does winning the grand nationals mean that they beat all other teams at all other levels, regardless of university type or size?
Anonymous
Post 01/14/2020 21:28     Subject: Cheer on Netflix
Anonymous wrote:Is it just me or are Gabi Butler's parents pretty messed up?


Not just you. They were gross.

I enjoyed it, but felt like the "sport" does not justify the horrible risk of injury. I was kind of horrified when the coach was forcing the injured guy to practice. I also felt like the "punishment" for dropping someone wasn't stiff enough.
Anonymous
Post 01/14/2020 20:24     Subject: Re:Cheer on Netflix
Gymnastics imo has much less risk of crashing into a hard surface. There are a lot of injuries that are prevented by having mats under bars, a spring floor, etc. also, while I’m sure team pressure comes into play, individuals can drop out for injuries without ruining everyone else’s competition.
Anonymous
Post 01/14/2020 20:03     Subject: Re:Cheer on Netflix
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Cheerleading is somewhere below beauty pageants in my esteem. I get that the tumbling is hard. So do dance or gymnastics.


spoken by someone who hasn't watched the show at all. These kids are phenomenal.


I did watch the show! The kids are amazing. The sport is reckless and will wreck their bodies even if they don’t get a horrible injury. I’m all for a culture of excellence and chances for all kinds of young people to succeed at a high level, which this is, but they do it in spite of cheerleading being a crap sport.

That poor girl with the clearly gay Dad-a-ger. I hope she gets to “retire” and go to real college.


Wreck their bodies more than gymnastics? When you run full force into a vault or miss your hands on release moves on bars and you land on your chest over and over, tell me how gymnastics isn’t worse.



Both are allowed to be dangerous- it doesn’t have to be a competition. That said, at least with gymnastics you are relying on yourself. In cheer, those flyers are relying on others to catch them and throw the correctly. I’m not sure I could ever trust others enough!


It’s called teamwork. It’s not for everyone.
Anonymous
Post 01/14/2020 19:57     Subject: Re:Cheer on Netflix
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Cheerleading is somewhere below beauty pageants in my esteem. I get that the tumbling is hard. So do dance or gymnastics.


spoken by someone who hasn't watched the show at all. These kids are phenomenal.


I did watch the show! The kids are amazing. The sport is reckless and will wreck their bodies even if they don’t get a horrible injury. I’m all for a culture of excellence and chances for all kinds of young people to succeed at a high level, which this is, but they do it in spite of cheerleading being a crap sport.

That poor girl with the clearly gay Dad-a-ger. I hope she gets to “retire” and go to real college.


Wreck their bodies more than gymnastics? When you run full force into a vault or miss your hands on release moves on bars and you land on your chest over and over, tell me how gymnastics isn’t worse.



Both are allowed to be dangerous- it doesn’t have to be a competition. That said, at least with gymnastics you are relying on yourself. In cheer, those flyers are relying on others to catch them and throw the correctly. I’m not sure I could ever trust others enough!
Anonymous
Post 01/14/2020 19:54     Subject: Re:Cheer on Netflix
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Cheerleading is somewhere below beauty pageants in my esteem. I get that the tumbling is hard. So do dance or gymnastics.


spoken by someone who hasn't watched the show at all. These kids are phenomenal.


I did watch the show! The kids are amazing. The sport is reckless and will wreck their bodies even if they don’t get a horrible injury. I’m all for a culture of excellence and chances for all kinds of young people to succeed at a high level, which this is, but they do it in spite of cheerleading being a crap sport.

That poor girl with the clearly gay Dad-a-ger. I hope she gets to “retire” and go to real college.


Wreck their bodies more than gymnastics? When you run full force into a vault or miss your hands on release moves on bars and you land on your chest over and over, tell me how gymnastics isn’t worse.
Anonymous
Post 01/14/2020 16:21     Subject: Re:Cheer on Netflix
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Cheerleading is somewhere below beauty pageants in my esteem. I get that the tumbling is hard. So do dance or gymnastics.


spoken by someone who hasn't watched the show at all. These kids are phenomenal.


I did watch the show! The kids are amazing. The sport is reckless and will wreck their bodies even if they don’t get a horrible injury. I’m all for a culture of excellence and chances for all kinds of young people to succeed at a high level, which this is, but they do it in spite of cheerleading being a crap sport.

That poor girl with the clearly gay Dad-a-ger. I hope she gets to “retire” and go to real college.
Anonymous
Post 01/14/2020 15:55     Subject: Re:Cheer on Netflix
Anonymous wrote:Cheerleading is somewhere below beauty pageants in my esteem. I get that the tumbling is hard. So do dance or gymnastics.


spoken by someone who hasn't watched the show at all. These kids are phenomenal.
Anonymous
Post 01/14/2020 15:19     Subject: Re:Cheer on Netflix
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Cheerleading is somewhere below beauty pageants in my esteem. I get that the tumbling is hard. So do dance or gymnastics.


Well dumb people say dumb things. Carry on.


I used to think like the PP. PP, have you watched gymnastics? Because unless you get to some level where you specialize, it is much, much more than tumbling. Beam, bars, and vault require distinct skills and plenty of practice.

If you only love tumbling, gymnastics or dance aren't going to be right for you.
Anonymous
Post 01/14/2020 15:16     Subject: Re:Cheer on Netflix
Anonymous wrote:Cheerleading is somewhere below beauty pageants in my esteem. I get that the tumbling is hard. So do dance or gymnastics.


Well dumb people say dumb things. Carry on.
Anonymous
Post 01/14/2020 14:29     Subject: Re:Cheer on Netflix
Cheerleading is somewhere below beauty pageants in my esteem. I get that the tumbling is hard. So do dance or gymnastics.
Anonymous
Post 01/14/2020 14:26     Subject: Cheer on Netflix
Anonymous wrote:I was a UVA cheerleader (though 10 years ago) and despite being a school with a strong athletic program, cheerleading / dance team / pep band, were all lumped together as spirit programs" and got very little budget.

It was incredibly frustrating, we were expected to raise our own money by coaching camps, be pimped out (not in a sexual way but in a "go be a friendly pretty face way....) for recruiting and donors, do PR at community events, sideline cheer at all basketball games (which is a lot of time and we got none of the academic support or accommodations other athletes get), and yet we couldn't compete b/c we didn't have enough money when in reality thats all most of us wanted to do.

The kicker was traveling with the team and getting a $35 per diem for food. Athletes get free everything, laundry done, etc - we had to do a lot more than normal athletes AND pay out of pocket if we wanted more than a subway sandwich for lunch



Athletic programs bring in millions to the school. Cheerleaders only cost $. What do you really expect? Also, $35 per diem covers a lot more than a subway.
Anonymous
Post 01/14/2020 14:23     Subject: Re:Cheer on Netflix
Just finished the first episode and can't wait to watch the rest, although... man, I definitely find myself gasping when they all start tumbling to the floor while practicing the pyramid. And after reading this thread and knowing that they're practicing on a hard floor with no springs, I'm not sure I can stand it.
Anonymous
Post 01/14/2020 14:16     Subject: Re:Cheer on Netflix
I was a PP, but have to add one more thing about the show, which I just finished watching. Jerry . . . . Jerry. I can't stop thinking about him. What a beautiful human being. I wonder if he wants another adoptive mom in the DMV area?
Anonymous
Post 01/14/2020 13:32     Subject: Cheer on Netflix
Anonymous wrote:I was a UVA cheerleader (though 10 years ago) and despite being a school with a strong athletic program, cheerleading / dance team / pep band, were all lumped together as spirit programs" and got very little budget.

It was incredibly frustrating, we were expected to raise our own money by coaching camps, be pimped out (not in a sexual way but in a "go be a friendly pretty face way....) for recruiting and donors, do PR at community events, sideline cheer at all basketball games (which is a lot of time and we got none of the academic support or accommodations other athletes get), and yet we couldn't compete b/c we didn't have enough money when in reality thats all most of us wanted to do.

The kicker was traveling with the team and getting a $35 per diem for food. Athletes get free everything, laundry done, etc - we had to do a lot more than normal athletes AND pay out of pocket if we wanted more than a subway sandwich for lunch



I never really thought about all of that. How unfair.

I guess that's why the acro and tumbling teams make sense. I grew up with a something of an aversion to cheerleading, but as I have seen how the sport has evolved, I now understand the commitment, dedication and athleticism involved. What really changed my mind happening upon a cheer championship at Disney one year. It blew my mind. The teams were amazing and the spirit there was inspiring. I actually started to cry watching one team hit everything.

Given the physical risk with the stunts, college teams should be able to spend their time working on their own sport, rather than supporting other sports.