Anonymous
01/09/2020 21:47
Subject: Re:How far will you travel for ECNL/DA
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Keep thinking you can put words in the poster's mouth. What was said was;
"There is some better talent playing school ball then is playing on my ecnl/gda team. Some. Not all some. That is a fact."
Because, with all sports, there are talented kids out there who may not want to be all in one one sport/one activity. Miss school, many weekends, HS events like homecoming and football games... no time for clubs, no time for other sports you like or to hang with your friends because you're driving to practice or on a bus to a game in SC or whatever. Some REALLY GOOD players (even ignoring those who might be out due to $$) just don't want it.
Not to mention some are very smart and realize that soccer isn’t going to pay the bills down the road. School is important. They don’t need soccer to get into a great school. They can get *gasp* academic scholarships that pay more. So they may play competitively but not willing to go out of town every weekend or give up 5 nights per week.
Anonymous
01/09/2020 17:00
Subject: How far will you travel for ECNL/DA
Most ECNL/DA teams play garbage soccer, so why beat HS up about it?
Anonymous
01/09/2020 15:15
Subject: Re:How far will you travel for ECNL/DA
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Keep thinking you can put words in the poster's mouth. What was said was;
"There is some better talent playing school ball then is playing on my ecnl/gda team. Some. Not all some. That is a fact."
Because, with all sports, there are talented kids out there who may not want to be all in one one sport/one activity. Miss school, many weekends, HS events like homecoming and football games... no time for clubs, no time for other sports you like or to hang with your friends because you're driving to practice or on a bus to a game in SC or whatever. Some REALLY GOOD players (even ignoring those who might be out due to $$) just don't want it.
Yes, but so what? These are also the players that won't commit to high-level sports so they will eventually be surpassed by talented players who do commit. ECNL/GDA looks for players who WANT to compete at a higher-level. Not all of them have what it takes to get there, but at least they have the desire. Incidentally, all this class war garbage about country clubs is silly. Anyone who is committed and talented will easily find a spot on any of the local ECNL/DA teams.
Anonymous
01/09/2020 15:10
Subject: Re:How far will you travel for ECNL/DA
Anonymous wrote:Keep thinking you can put words in the poster's mouth. What was said was;
"There is some better talent playing school ball then is playing on my ecnl/gda team. Some. Not all some. That is a fact."
It doesn't matter if the sum of the parts is still terrible.
Anonymous
01/09/2020 15:01
Subject: Re:How far will you travel for ECNL/DA
Anonymous wrote:Keep thinking you can put words in the poster's mouth. What was said was;
"There is some better talent playing school ball then is playing on my ecnl/gda team. Some. Not all some. That is a fact."
Because, with all sports, there are talented kids out there who may not want to be all in one one sport/one activity. Miss school, many weekends, HS events like homecoming and football games... no time for clubs, no time for other sports you like or to hang with your friends because you're driving to practice or on a bus to a game in SC or whatever. Some REALLY GOOD players (even ignoring those who might be out due to $$) just don't want it.
Anonymous
01/09/2020 14:30
Subject: Re:How far will you travel for ECNL/DA
Keep thinking you can put words in the poster's mouth. What was said was;
"There is some better talent playing school ball then is playing on my ecnl/gda team. Some. Not all some. That is a fact."
"There is some better talent playing school ball then is playing on my ecnl/gda team. Some. Not all some. That is a fact."
Anonymous
01/09/2020 14:26
Subject: Re:How far will you travel for ECNL/DA
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:fAnonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Poor babies. School ball is available to everyone unlike all these super deluxe leagues. It is the only place some of these players will every get to play and compete against the lower income talent.
Sorry ecnl and gda and whatever other country club does not like it.
It is crappy soccer. That fact is not up for debate.
The point is - for some talent that is all they get. The talent is not crappy.
When there are only 1-3 ECNL caliber players per HS team, yes the talent and the soccer is crappy.
f
There is some better talent playing school ball then is playing on my ecnl/gda team. Some. Not all some. That is a fact.
Go on you tube and watch some ecnl/gda matches (some...not all). And you will see exactly what I mean.
Keep thinking HS is good soccer. Roll out the clips.
Anonymous
01/09/2020 14:06
Subject: Re:How far will you travel for ECNL/DA
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:fAnonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Poor babies. School ball is available to everyone unlike all these super deluxe leagues. It is the only place some of these players will every get to play and compete against the lower income talent.
Sorry ecnl and gda and whatever other country club does not like it.
It is crappy soccer. That fact is not up for debate.
The point is - for some talent that is all they get. The talent is not crappy.
When there are only 1-3 ECNL caliber players per HS team, yes the talent and the soccer is crappy.
f
There is some better talent playing school ball then is playing on my ecnl/gda team. Some. Not all some. That is a fact.
Go on you tube and watch some ecnl/gda matches (some...not all). And you will see exactly what I mean.
Anonymous
01/09/2020 13:50
Subject: Re:How far will you travel for ECNL/DA
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:fAnonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Poor babies. School ball is available to everyone unlike all these super deluxe leagues. It is the only place some of these players will every get to play and compete against the lower income talent.
Sorry ecnl and gda and whatever other country club does not like it.
It is crappy soccer. That fact is not up for debate.
The point is - for some talent that is all they get. The talent is not crappy.
When there are only 1-3 ECNL caliber players per HS team, yes the talent and the soccer is crappy.
f
Anonymous
01/09/2020 13:36
Subject: Re:How far will you travel for ECNL/DA
Anonymous wrote:fAnonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Poor babies. School ball is available to everyone unlike all these super deluxe leagues. It is the only place some of these players will every get to play and compete against the lower income talent.
Sorry ecnl and gda and whatever other country club does not like it.
It is crappy soccer. That fact is not up for debate.
The point is - for some talent that is all they get. The talent is not crappy.
When there are only 1-3 ECNL caliber players per HS team, yes the talent and the soccer is crappy.
Anonymous
01/09/2020 13:33
Subject: Re:How far will you travel for ECNL/DA
fAnonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Poor babies. School ball is available to everyone unlike all these super deluxe leagues. It is the only place some of these players will every get to play and compete against the lower income talent.
Sorry ecnl and gda and whatever other country club does not like it.
It is crappy soccer. That fact is not up for debate.
The point is - for some talent that is all they get. The talent is not crappy.
Anonymous
01/09/2020 13:29
Subject: Re:How far will you travel for ECNL/DA
Anonymous wrote:Poor babies. School ball is available to everyone unlike all these super deluxe leagues. It is the only place some of these players will every get to play and compete against the lower income talent.
Sorry ecnl and gda and whatever other country club does not like it.
It is crappy soccer. That fact is not up for debate.
Anonymous
01/09/2020 13:12
Subject: Re:How far will you travel for ECNL/DA
Poor babies. School ball is available to everyone unlike all these super deluxe leagues. It is the only place some of these players will every get to play and compete against the lower income talent.
Sorry ecnl and gda and whatever other country club does not like it.
Sorry ecnl and gda and whatever other country club does not like it.
Anonymous
01/09/2020 12:51
Subject: Re:How far will you travel for ECNL/DA
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You are neglecting that pesky little tidbit that there are many funded MLS DAs for males. IF and when they have the same for females, of course the best players will attend funded GDAs. Until then, i see it as a regional thing. But it will be be what it will be.
The customers do not really care which one ultimately prevails (except for the HS issue which is significant in some areas). The folks making money form all this will continue to do battle about it. It is Coke vs, Pepsi. Starbucks vs dunkin.....of a little bit of consequence but not too much unless you make a liviing at one or the other.
When ECNL was teh only game in town clubs and coaches heavily discouraged HS play. They allowed it but with little talent dilution at the time only the team Studs or Duds dared play HS. If you were a in between kid you did what your club coach suggested you do for fear of losing minutes or being replaced outright.
And now with GDA on the scene ECNL is marketing their league as the league you don't actually have to play in. "Join ECNL, the league you can miss three months of ECNL to play High School. Yes, we are still charging you for a full 10 months of ECNL training even though you will only train 6 months with the highest quality kids."
When ECNL was the only game in town most of the ECNL teams did not have an issue with high school play. There were clubs that discouraged or forbid it but those were strongly discouraged by the league. Of course there are clubs like FCV who didn't care about the kids and did it anyway. My daughter played for McLean back then and was never discouraged from playing HS. They still trained 3 nights a week during the HS season though they were allowed to miss for games, are the ECNL clubs really only training 6 months now??? That sounds bad--we would probably have left ECNL earlier if it had been like that.
Leaving ECNL/DA after U16 does not necessarily mean you will find a team close to home either unless you really don't care at all what level the other players are. The soccer dropout rate at high-school ages in this county is the highest in the world. Our youth system is the worlds worst in player retention (arguably in player development as well--maybe those are related) and teams struggle to hold onto players and stay together. They survive by merging and consolidating and with every merger the number of choices goes down. This is more true for girls than boys where the dropout rate after age 14 is well over 50%.
This is pretty much straight up fiction.
ECNL coaches hated High School soccer and still do.
Anonymous
01/09/2020 06:28
Subject: Re:How far will you travel for ECNL/DA
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You are neglecting that pesky little tidbit that there are many funded MLS DAs for males. IF and when they have the same for females, of course the best players will attend funded GDAs. Until then, i see it as a regional thing. But it will be be what it will be.
The customers do not really care which one ultimately prevails (except for the HS issue which is significant in some areas). The folks making money form all this will continue to do battle about it. It is Coke vs, Pepsi. Starbucks vs dunkin.....of a little bit of consequence but not too much unless you make a liviing at one or the other.
When ECNL was teh only game in town clubs and coaches heavily discouraged HS play. They allowed it but with little talent dilution at the time only the team Studs or Duds dared play HS. If you were a in between kid you did what your club coach suggested you do for fear of losing minutes or being replaced outright.
And now with GDA on the scene ECNL is marketing their league as the league you don't actually have to play in. "Join ECNL, the league you can miss three months of ECNL to play High School. Yes, we are still charging you for a full 10 months of ECNL training even though you will only train 6 months with the highest quality kids."
When ECNL was the only game in town most of the ECNL teams did not have an issue with high school play. There were clubs that discouraged or forbid it but those were strongly discouraged by the league. Of course there are clubs like FCV who didn't care about the kids and did it anyway. My daughter played for McLean back then and was never discouraged from playing HS. They still trained 3 nights a week during the HS season though they were allowed to miss for games, are the ECNL clubs really only training 6 months now??? That sounds bad--we would probably have left ECNL earlier if it had been like that.
Leaving ECNL/DA after U16 does not necessarily mean you will find a team close to home either unless you really don't care at all what level the other players are. The soccer dropout rate at high-school ages in this county is the highest in the world. Our youth system is the worlds worst in player retention (arguably in player development as well--maybe those are related) and teams struggle to hold onto players and stay together. They survive by merging and consolidating and with every merger the number of choices goes down. This is more true for girls than boys where the dropout rate after age 14 is well over 50%.