Anonymous
Post 12/07/2019 20:03     Subject: Inside the Cell Where a Sick 16-Year-Old Boy Died in Border Patrol Care

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Wait until all of the facts are out. Last time the media blew up over the girl who died from an infection, yet turns out she died of sepsis and was given proper care as soon as could reasonably be administered. We also found out she died of sepsis, which takes many days to occur and that her father should and could have easily taken her to seek help in Mexico and didn't. The end of this video says the kid died as a complication from the Flu AND other infections. What other infections? Sepsis too? That means he would have shown signs of illness days prior to coming to the US. He should have gotten treated in Mexico if that's the case. But the real question is, where are the parents.Are they the ones who did the burial back in Guatemala? If so, what an absolute disgrace of parents they are. how do you let your 13 year wonder 1500 miles by themselves. No parents? Then where is the guardian? I guess no one is responsible for their kids these days. What do you expect to happen.when you flood a country with millions of illegal immigrants who essentially break the entire system? At some point some.bad things will happen. How many people here have experience processing thousands of illegal immigrants and trying to keep track of each and every one of their health issues and regimens for when they need to be treated? Try not coming here illegally in the first place if you don't want to be detained. So the solution is just to let anyone walk last our borders whenever they feel like it and provide them with free healthcare. Geez, maybe our own citizens should start flying down to Mexico, tear up their passport, and then enter the US illegally without any ID to get the free healthcare illegal immigrants get.

Wait for all of the facts to come out first please.


I read an article answering this very question a few days ago. Parents are sending their older children to the U.S. alone because the situations in their home countries are so dire, they are taking the risk that their child will fare better coming to the U.S. rather than staying put. They have real fears that their children will be murdered by gangs.

This is a truly heartbreaking. I couldn't find the article, but read this and try to have a little compassion for people whose lives are in turmoil and who are doing the best that they can for their children.

And may this young man RIP.

What accounts for the recent spike in unaccompanied minors trying to cross into the U.S.?

There are a handful of reasons such as poverty, natural disasters, the rise of gang recruitment, but the biggest is that the countries where the majority of unaccompanied minors are coming from – Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador and Mexico – are dangerous. In terms of violence, their home countries are worse than Iraq. In fact, some estimate that Honduras has nine times as many homicides per capita as Iraq. Guatemala, the least violent of the four countries, is still at least twice as violent as Iraq.

So these unaccompanied minors – children, in other words – are effectively escaping war zones. The poverty is so immense, and the desperation level is so high that families are willing to take extraordinary risks to come or to send their children here.

Parents will take great risks to afford their children the chance, however small, to have not just a better future, but to have any future at all. That’s what many Americans fundamentally don’t understand about this issue. Mothers and fathers don’t send children on a dangerous journey on a whim. The fact that they send them is demonstrative of just how afraid parents are to let children remain in their home country.



https://news.illinois.edu/view/6367/803606


This is exactly it. And I know that most Americans, including pretty much all Republicans, would do absolutely anything they had to do to find a better life for their children if they were in this horrible situation that these families are enduring in the countries they just happened to be born in. It is sickening that so many Americans have such a cynical attitude toward people who are just trying to get out of a "shit hole" country as Trump puts it. Our resources must not be shared with others in dire need because we are so special due to an accident of birth?




Millions of people in the world,including Americans,travel to Mexico every single year for vacation. Why not request asylum in Mexico? How about Costa Rica, which is safer than El Salvador and a hell of a lot closer? Why not go to Argentina or Chile, which have even less violent crime per capita than even the US ? Please, we all know the vast majority of illegal immigrants are coming here under a very thin veneer of asylum, when in fact they are motivated by economics. If all they cares about was safety they could go to other countries in South and Central America before the US. No where in the world is any autonomous country required by law to open up and provide a better life and better opportunities to economic refugees. We have an established immigration system with a ton of people waiting in line for that who are obeying the law. Spare me the bleeding hearts. Apparently our liberal Democrats have compassion for economic refugees who want a better life, yet they have zero compassion for our own citizens who need asylum from S hole Democrat run cities like Baltimore, where they've had yet another year with over 300+ murders. A democrat run Utopia like Baltimore in fact has a comparable murder and violent crime rate as El Salvador, yet the Democrats continue to fail to improve the quality of life for our own citizens and have no compassion for our own citizens living in horrible situations. Democrats will claim they do, yet they've failed to do anything meaningful in a city like Baltimore for the last 70 years. Meanwhile thousands of people have been murdered there.


Well-stated!
Anonymous
Post 12/07/2019 19:28     Subject: Re:Inside the Cell Where a Sick 16-Year-Old Boy Died in Border Patrol Care

Anonymous wrote:Most of the immigrants who come to US are not properly vaccinated. What is the difference between the death of this kid or any person in US who is against vaccinating their children? They are at the higher risk of death. It is a natural consequence of not having a proper vaccination.


Well for one this child died alone on a cold hard floor, without even a pillow or blanket or glass of water to ease his pain.

Next question?
Anonymous
Post 12/07/2019 15:34     Subject: Re:Inside the Cell Where a Sick 16-Year-Old Boy Died in Border Patrol Care

Most of the immigrants who come to US are not properly vaccinated. What is the difference between the death of this kid or any person in US who is against vaccinating their children? They are at the higher risk of death. It is a natural consequence of not having a proper vaccination.
Anonymous
Post 12/07/2019 14:16     Subject: Re:Inside the Cell Where a Sick 16-Year-Old Boy Died in Border Patrol Care

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So no immigrants died in ICE custody under Obama?


How does that mitigate this awful situation? Please, clarify for us why previous deaths make this particularly cruel death less awful.


Please clarify why you are outraged by this death, but couldn't care less about similar deaths under the Obama administration?

It's because you hate Trump and want something to vent about.
.

Please clarify where it is stated that I "couldn't care less" about similar deaths under the Obama administration? Specific quote, please. Then list all the similar deaths during the Obama administration so we can all express our outrage and dismay. Because any child's death diminishes us. Thanks.
Anonymous
Post 12/07/2019 14:00     Subject: Re:Inside the Cell Where a Sick 16-Year-Old Boy Died in Border Patrol Care

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So no immigrants died in ICE custody under Obama?


How does that mitigate this awful situation? Please, clarify for us why previous deaths make this particularly cruel death less awful.


Please clarify why you are outraged by this death, but couldn't care less about similar deaths under the Obama administration?

It's because you hate Trump and want something to vent about.
If there were deaths in the same circumstances under the Obama administration that would horrible as well. Can you tell me about any?
Anonymous
Post 12/07/2019 13:16     Subject: Re:Inside the Cell Where a Sick 16-Year-Old Boy Died in Border Patrol Care

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So no immigrants died in ICE custody under Obama?


How does that mitigate this awful situation? Please, clarify for us why previous deaths make this particularly cruel death less awful.


Please clarify why you are outraged by this death, but couldn't care less about similar deaths under the Obama administration?

It's because you hate Trump and want something to vent about.
Anonymous
Post 12/07/2019 13:03     Subject: Re:Inside the Cell Where a Sick 16-Year-Old Boy Died in Border Patrol Care

Anonymous wrote:So no immigrants died in ICE custody under Obama?


Get help.
Anonymous
Post 12/07/2019 12:05     Subject: Re:Inside the Cell Where a Sick 16-Year-Old Boy Died in Border Patrol Care

Anonymous wrote:So no immigrants died in ICE custody under Obama?


How does that mitigate this awful situation? Please, clarify for us why previous deaths make this particularly cruel death less awful.
Anonymous
Post 12/07/2019 11:36     Subject: Re:Inside the Cell Where a Sick 16-Year-Old Boy Died in Border Patrol Care

So no immigrants died in ICE custody under Obama?
Anonymous
Post 12/07/2019 07:42     Subject: Inside the Cell Where a Sick 16-Year-Old Boy Died in Border Patrol Care

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Wait until all of the facts are out. Last time the media blew up over the girl who died from an infection, yet turns out she died of sepsis and was given proper care as soon as could reasonably be administered. We also found out she died of sepsis, which takes many days to occur and that her father should and could have easily taken her to seek help in Mexico and didn't. The end of this video says the kid died as a complication from the Flu AND other infections. What other infections? Sepsis too? That means he would have shown signs of illness days prior to coming to the US. He should have gotten treated in Mexico if that's the case. But the real question is, where are the parents.Are they the ones who did the burial back in Guatemala? If so, what an absolute disgrace of parents they are. how do you let your 13 year wonder 1500 miles by themselves. No parents? Then where is the guardian? I guess no one is responsible for their kids these days. What do you expect to happen.when you flood a country with millions of illegal immigrants who essentially break the entire system? At some point some.bad things will happen. How many people here have experience processing thousands of illegal immigrants and trying to keep track of each and every one of their health issues and regimens for when they need to be treated? Try not coming here illegally in the first place if you don't want to be detained. So the solution is just to let anyone walk last our borders whenever they feel like it and provide them with free healthcare. Geez, maybe our own citizens should start flying down to Mexico, tear up their passport, and then enter the US illegally without any ID to get the free healthcare illegal immigrants get.

Wait for all of the facts to come out first please.


I read an article answering this very question a few days ago. Parents are sending their older children to the U.S. alone because the situations in their home countries are so dire, they are taking the risk that their child will fare better coming to the U.S. rather than staying put. They have real fears that their children will be murdered by gangs.

This is a truly heartbreaking. I couldn't find the article, but read this and try to have a little compassion for people whose lives are in turmoil and who are doing the best that they can for their children.

And may this young man RIP.

What accounts for the recent spike in unaccompanied minors trying to cross into the U.S.?

There are a handful of reasons such as poverty, natural disasters, the rise of gang recruitment, but the biggest is that the countries where the majority of unaccompanied minors are coming from – Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador and Mexico – are dangerous. In terms of violence, their home countries are worse than Iraq. In fact, some estimate that Honduras has nine times as many homicides per capita as Iraq. Guatemala, the least violent of the four countries, is still at least twice as violent as Iraq.

So these unaccompanied minors – children, in other words – are effectively escaping war zones. The poverty is so immense, and the desperation level is so high that families are willing to take extraordinary risks to come or to send their children here.

Parents will take great risks to afford their children the chance, however small, to have not just a better future, but to have any future at all. That’s what many Americans fundamentally don’t understand about this issue. Mothers and fathers don’t send children on a dangerous journey on a whim. The fact that they send them is demonstrative of just how afraid parents are to let children remain in their home country.



https://news.illinois.edu/view/6367/803606


This is exactly it. And I know that most Americans, including pretty much all Republicans, would do absolutely anything they had to do to find a better life for their children if they were in this horrible situation that these families are enduring in the countries they just happened to be born in. It is sickening that so many Americans have such a cynical attitude toward people who are just trying to get out of a "shit hole" country as Trump puts it. Our resources must not be shared with others in dire need because we are so special due to an accident of birth?




Millions of people in the world,including Americans,travel to Mexico every single year for vacation. Why not request asylum in Mexico? How about Costa Rica, which is safer than El Salvador and a hell of a lot closer? Why not go to Argentina or Chile, which have even less violent crime per capita than even the US ? Please, we all know the vast majority of illegal immigrants are coming here under a very thin veneer of asylum, when in fact they are motivated by economics. If all they cares about was safety they could go to other countries in South and Central America before the US. No where in the world is any autonomous country required by law to open up and provide a better life and better opportunities to economic refugees. We have an established immigration system with a ton of people waiting in line for that who are obeying the law. Spare me the bleeding hearts. Apparently our liberal Democrats have compassion for economic refugees who want a better life, yet they have zero compassion for our own citizens who need asylum from S hole Democrat run cities like Baltimore, where they've had yet another year with over 300+ murders. A democrat run Utopia like Baltimore in fact has a comparable murder and violent crime rate as El Salvador, yet the Democrats continue to fail to improve the quality of life for our own citizens and have no compassion for our own citizens living in horrible situations. Democrats will claim they do, yet they've failed to do anything meaningful in a city like Baltimore for the last 70 years. Meanwhile thousands of people have been murdered there.
Anonymous
Post 12/07/2019 04:21     Subject: Inside the Cell Where a Sick 16-Year-Old Boy Died in Border Patrol Care

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Wait until all of the facts are out. Last time the media blew up over the girl who died from an infection, yet turns out she died of sepsis and was given proper care as soon as could reasonably be administered. We also found out she died of sepsis, which takes many days to occur and that her father should and could have easily taken her to seek help in Mexico and didn't. The end of this video says the kid died as a complication from the Flu AND other infections. What other infections? Sepsis too? That means he would have shown signs of illness days prior to coming to the US. He should have gotten treated in Mexico if that's the case. But the real question is, where are the parents.Are they the ones who did the burial back in Guatemala? If so, what an absolute disgrace of parents they are. how do you let your 13 year wonder 1500 miles by themselves. No parents? Then where is the guardian? I guess no one is responsible for their kids these days. What do you expect to happen.when you flood a country with millions of illegal immigrants who essentially break the entire system? At some point some.bad things will happen. How many people here have experience processing thousands of illegal immigrants and trying to keep track of each and every one of their health issues and regimens for when they need to be treated? Try not coming here illegally in the first place if you don't want to be detained. So the solution is just to let anyone walk last our borders whenever they feel like it and provide them with free healthcare. Geez, maybe our own citizens should start flying down to Mexico, tear up their passport, and then enter the US illegally without any ID to get the free healthcare illegal immigrants get.

Wait for all of the facts to come out first please.


I read an article answering this very question a few days ago. Parents are sending their older children to the U.S. alone because the situations in their home countries are so dire, they are taking the risk that their child will fare better coming to the U.S. rather than staying put. They have real fears that their children will be murdered by gangs.

This is a truly heartbreaking. I couldn't find the article, but read this and try to have a little compassion for people whose lives are in turmoil and who are doing the best that they can for their children.

And may this young man RIP.

What accounts for the recent spike in unaccompanied minors trying to cross into the U.S.?

There are a handful of reasons such as poverty, natural disasters, the rise of gang recruitment, but the biggest is that the countries where the majority of unaccompanied minors are coming from – Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador and Mexico – are dangerous. In terms of violence, their home countries are worse than Iraq. In fact, some estimate that Honduras has nine times as many homicides per capita as Iraq. Guatemala, the least violent of the four countries, is still at least twice as violent as Iraq.

So these unaccompanied minors – children, in other words – are effectively escaping war zones. The poverty is so immense, and the desperation level is so high that families are willing to take extraordinary risks to come or to send their children here.

Parents will take great risks to afford their children the chance, however small, to have not just a better future, but to have any future at all. That’s what many Americans fundamentally don’t understand about this issue. Mothers and fathers don’t send children on a dangerous journey on a whim. The fact that they send them is demonstrative of just how afraid parents are to let children remain in their home country.



https://news.illinois.edu/view/6367/803606


This is exactly it. And I know that most Americans, including pretty much all Republicans, would do absolutely anything they had to do to find a better life for their children if they were in this horrible situation that these families are enduring in the countries they just happened to be born in. It is sickening that so many Americans have such a cynical attitude toward people who are just trying to get out of a "shit hole" country as Trump puts it. Our resources must not be shared with others in dire need because we are so special due to an accident of birth?
Anonymous
Post 12/06/2019 23:02     Subject: Inside the Cell Where a Sick 16-Year-Old Boy Died in Border Patrol Care

Anonymous wrote:Wait until all of the facts are out. Last time the media blew up over the girl who died from an infection, yet turns out she died of sepsis and was given proper care as soon as could reasonably be administered. We also found out she died of sepsis, which takes many days to occur and that her father should and could have easily taken her to seek help in Mexico and didn't. The end of this video says the kid died as a complication from the Flu AND other infections. What other infections? Sepsis too? That means he would have shown signs of illness days prior to coming to the US. He should have gotten treated in Mexico if that's the case. But the real question is, where are the parents.Are they the ones who did the burial back in Guatemala? If so, what an absolute disgrace of parents they are. how do you let your 13 year wonder 1500 miles by themselves. No parents? Then where is the guardian? I guess no one is responsible for their kids these days. What do you expect to happen.when you flood a country with millions of illegal immigrants who essentially break the entire system? At some point some.bad things will happen. How many people here have experience processing thousands of illegal immigrants and trying to keep track of each and every one of their health issues and regimens for when they need to be treated? Try not coming here illegally in the first place if you don't want to be detained. So the solution is just to let anyone walk last our borders whenever they feel like it and provide them with free healthcare. Geez, maybe our own citizens should start flying down to Mexico, tear up their passport, and then enter the US illegally without any ID to get the free healthcare illegal immigrants get.

Wait for all of the facts to come out first please.


I read an article answering this very question a few days ago. Parents are sending their older children to the U.S. alone because the situations in their home countries are so dire, they are taking the risk that their child will fare better coming to the U.S. rather than staying put. They have real fears that their children will be murdered by gangs.

This is a truly heartbreaking. I couldn't find the article, but read this and try to have a little compassion for people whose lives are in turmoil and who are doing the best that they can for their children.

And may this young man RIP.

What accounts for the recent spike in unaccompanied minors trying to cross into the U.S.?

There are a handful of reasons such as poverty, natural disasters, the rise of gang recruitment, but the biggest is that the countries where the majority of unaccompanied minors are coming from – Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador and Mexico – are dangerous. In terms of violence, their home countries are worse than Iraq. In fact, some estimate that Honduras has nine times as many homicides per capita as Iraq. Guatemala, the least violent of the four countries, is still at least twice as violent as Iraq.

So these unaccompanied minors – children, in other words – are effectively escaping war zones. The poverty is so immense, and the desperation level is so high that families are willing to take extraordinary risks to come or to send their children here.

Parents will take great risks to afford their children the chance, however small, to have not just a better future, but to have any future at all. That’s what many Americans fundamentally don’t understand about this issue. Mothers and fathers don’t send children on a dangerous journey on a whim. The fact that they send them is demonstrative of just how afraid parents are to let children remain in their home country.



https://news.illinois.edu/view/6367/803606
Anonymous
Post 12/06/2019 21:09     Subject: Inside the Cell Where a Sick 16-Year-Old Boy Died in Border Patrol Care

Anonymous wrote:*sigh*

Here we go again. So first he’s being detained in an Obama policy.


Second - regardless if it’s Obama’s or not - doesn’t matter. The facilities were never built for this kind of influx. We don’t have the facilities or personnel to deal with this at all. What needs to happen - as ICE director has repeated - is to enforce the border and secure it to control the influx. Steps are in place already to speed up the process but CPB has to deal with Mexican cartels shooting at them and the fact over 1/3 of people dragging kids over the border aren’t related to the kids they bring. This encourages human trafficking.

CPB agents are doing the best they can. Oh by the way most are actually Hispanic Americans. It shouldn’t matter but I’m this age of liberal race baiting somehow race is always a conversation.

First and foremost. We need to secure the border and half people come in leaf ally through authorized ports of entry. Asylum should only be granted in extreme cases, this is to expedite the process for those who actually deserve it. Many who apply, 80% don’t meet criteria for asylum.

Next, Congress could take up immigration reform instead of soviet style show trials, but the liberal AOC rulers of the party have no interest in that. They want to use these people as pawns.

Finally, come up when a budget to help find border security and the agencies responsible for the processing and care of the illegal aliens. They should be deported immediately but that’s not the case. They’ve already hired over 100 new judges to help speed up the process and biometric technology is being implemented to allow DHS to keep better track of people.


Well we know what you would have done had you been working there and knew there was a sick boy alone in a cell. Congratulations.
Anonymous
Post 12/06/2019 21:08     Subject: Inside the Cell Where a Sick 16-Year-Old Boy Died in Border Patrol Care

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Over 300,000 people die from the flu every year.
Tragic- just to see it it in camera does not make the other 300,000 deaths any less sad.


Exactly. Any death is tragic.

Maybe this tragic death could have been prevented if the patient had gotten appropriate care in Mexico.


You are colder and harder than the floor the child died his miserable death alone on.
Anonymous
Post 12/06/2019 21:06     Subject: Inside the Cell Where a Sick 16-Year-Old Boy Died in Border Patrol Care

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Wait for all the facts to come out? You mean wait for some spin on the story that some racist sh*ts are going to put out? Kid with a fever was not taken to the doctor, and he died. What facts are there to come out?


Where were the parents? Fail.


You would leave a kid on the floor to die because you think their parents were negligent?


Maybe just maybe you wouldn't have a kid on a floor dying in a foreign country that he entered into legally if his parents took personal responsibility for his well being. I know that's a super hard concept to understand for liberals. Gee, what kind of parents with any sense of rational mindset would let their kid walk into a foreign country illegally that's 1500 miles away?

Just open up the borders and provide free healthcare for all who enter. That's what democrats want. Admit it.


Admit it. You don't really care about human beings if they're not American citizens.

I don't want open borders. And I'm not going to get into a debate over how desperate parents must be to put their children in dangerous situations with the faint hope their situation will end up better for them. Thank your lucky stars that by the random accident of birth your parents didn't have to think about such things. And that you yourself haven't had to think about making desperate choices for your own children.

But if a 16 year old child has come here illegally and is sick I don't want him treated worse than an animal. As you do, because you don't think of him as human, and your inability to feel empathy for another human being in a terrible situation prevents you from caring that a child died in miserable pain alone on a cold hard floor. Shame on you.