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Anonymous wrote:In 1991, 68% of Black children were born outside of marriage. In 2011, 72% of Black babies were born to unmarried mothers. In 2015, 77% of Black babies were born to unmarried mothers.

With these stats, it’s not even a subcultural norm...it’s just the norm.

(And yes, I realize the Kardashians are white. Just saying single motherhood isn’t unusual...especially if you are a Kardashian.)

Link?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/African-American_family_structure

Here you go.

I work in the anti-poverty arena, and these rates are well known as drivers of poverty. After all, two incomes are better than one.

The Kardashians and other celebrities who seemingly champion early parenthood and single parenthood are definitely bad examples.

I wish minority married couples like Beyoncé and Jay Z would do PSAs encouraging delayed parenthood within marriage. If successful, I bet we could cut the poverty rate dramatically.

Something is off with this Wikipedia link and the person who placed the information in it. What happened to white birth rates after 1990. It looks as though the person putting in dat just stopped. I’m seeing some bias in reporting and manipulating of information

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In 1991, 68% of Black children were born outside of marriage. In 2011, 72% of Black babies were born to unmarried mothers. In 2015, 77% of Black babies were born to unmarried mothers.

With these stats, it’s not even a subcultural norm...it’s just the norm.

(And yes, I realize the Kardashians are white. Just saying single motherhood isn’t unusual...especially if you are a Kardashian.)

Link?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/African-American_family_structure

Here you go.

I work in the anti-poverty arena, and these rates are well known as drivers of poverty. After all, two incomes are better than one.

The Kardashians and other celebrities who seemingly champion early parenthood and single parenthood are definitely bad examples.

I wish minority married couples like Beyoncé and Jay Z would do PSAs encouraging delayed parenthood within marriage. If successful, I bet we could cut the poverty rate dramatically.

Wikipedia isn’t a reliable source. Please provide another link. Thanks!

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Anonymous wrote:Oh look, a debate about the ethics of being a single mom is about to start.

I don't think being a single mom is wrong. I think starting out a child's life at a deficit deliberately and ESPECIALLY when these Kardashian-style women don't have an income to support their kids or their households is wrong.

For the record - I think shows like Teen Mom are also horrible influences.

I'm pretty sure they have incomes that are much higher than yours. Also, the dads play an equal part in this. They choose not to be present.

Great point. They didn’t just go to the local sperm bank and deliberately choose to be single moms. They were involved with someone and got pregnant by someone (someone who has an income to support their kids and their households) but their relationship didn’t pan out.

I think you'd be surprised.

Most of those influencer chicks are renters one boyfriend away from being kicked out of their digs. Remember when Jordyn Woods (Kylie Jenner's BFF) got kicked out of Kylie's house? Where did she go? She's been squatting in her parent's place and now has a new rental so far out in the hills.

The KARDASHIANS are rich because of their show and their momager's knowledge of contracts. Most influencers don't have a Kris at their backs.

So they can afford to be octomoms if they want.
What’s the problem?

The point is THEY. CAN'T.

First year - the baby is cute and all but it gets harder, then they have another one, and then they can't find anymore boyfriend 'sponsors'.

End up like this.

Kimbella evicted on Thanksgiving



She didn’t post THAT on Instagram! Inside the former home of glamorous blogger that 'appalled' landlords claim she left covered in dog faeces and make-up stains - and with £5K rent unpaid

I don't know who that second woman is but Kimbella is married to Juelz Santana. He is in jail now on gun charges, which I'm guessing has been a huge blow to their finances.

I don't know who that first woman is but Malika was a child/teen actor with her twin sister (who is married with children) and her family of origin is somewhat affluent (Iranians who immigrated here before the twins were born) so she will be fine.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In 1991, 68% of Black children were born outside of marriage. In 2011, 72% of Black babies were born to unmarried mothers. In 2015, 77% of Black babies were born to unmarried mothers.

With these stats, it’s not even a subcultural norm...it’s just the norm.

(And yes, I realize the Kardashians are white. Just saying single motherhood isn’t unusual...especially if you are a Kardashian.)

Link?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/African-American_family_structure

Here you go.

I work in the anti-poverty arena, and these rates are well known as drivers of poverty. After all, two incomes are better than one.

The Kardashians and other celebrities who seemingly champion early parenthood and single parenthood are definitely bad examples.

I wish minority married couples like Beyoncé and Jay Z would do PSAs encouraging delayed parenthood within marriage. If successful, I bet we could cut the poverty rate dramatically.

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All of their friends are pregnant...none with husbands or even acknowledged baby daddys in the picture.

Weird you have the time to get pregnant but not to marry the man who made the baby?

There are so many other things about them that make them a bad influence! Teaching young women to obsess about their looks and sexuality, to be conceited, to overshare, to expect attention 24/7 (and to do anything to get it, including mutilating their bodies) and to worship material things...these are so much worse than having unmarried friends with babies.

Plus, they select men who have no class and serious issues.

All of their friends are pregnant...none with husbands or even acknowledged baby daddys in the picture.

Weird you have the time to get pregnant but not to marry the man who made the baby?

There are so many other things about them that make them a bad influence! Teaching young women to obsess about their looks and sexuality, to be conceited, to overshare, to expect attention 24/7 (and to do anything to get it, including mutilating their bodies) and to worship material things...these are so much worse than having unmarried friends with babies.

I'm not a follower of the Kardashians. But I have talked to my middle school DD about them and here is what I told her. Sex sells, and the K girls understand that by projecting a certain image, they can make money. It's basically a marketing ploy. But the K's are not ACTUALLY what they appear to be, or they wouldn't be rich. They are actually an educated and entrepreneurial family with a lot of business smarts. Ine of the girls is the youngest billionaire for selling lipstick. Lipstick doesn't bring in a billion dollars- the idea that lipstick makes people glamorous and cool in a street fashionable, relatable way- THAT makes a billion dollars.

I don't talk to my daughter about whether projecting that kind of image is good or bad because it's truly just a business strategy. I want her to see past the big booties and glossy hair and understand what's actually going on here. I also want her to see that people occasionally push the envelope and redefine our culture. Elvis was once considered obscene and they couldn't show his hip thrusting dance moves on television because it was too shocking at the time.

I don't want my daughter to use sex to shock, but I want my daughter to be savvy and capable of nuance. That seems like a better conversation to have with her than "those K girls are bad!" I want my daughter to be curious and know that it's okay to look under the hood at these types of things in order to really see what's going on, rather than make snap judgments.

First of all, the jury is still out with regard to the Kardashian kids. Let's discuss again in a dozen years. Take a look at the Housewives kids who are older. Even with all their $$, an education is rarely encouraged. Parents subsidizing children is nothing new, but it doesn't encourage independence.

I am not a Kardashian fan, but they don't seem to be partiers or druggies. If any of them were falling down drunk (think Scot Disick), it would be all over the tabloids.

Anonymous wrote:In 1991, 68% of Black children were born outside of marriage. In 2011, 72% of Black babies were born to unmarried mothers. In 2015, 77% of Black babies were born to unmarried mothers.

With these stats, it’s not even a subcultural norm...it’s just the norm.

(And yes, I realize the Kardashians are white. Just saying single motherhood isn’t unusual...especially if you are a Kardashian.)

Link?

It’s definitely a matriarchal clan. Don’t know how the men feel in that atmosphere? But perhaps it’s the future? Whose to know? The girls are seem happy enough.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In 1991, 68% of Black children were born outside of marriage. In 2011, 72% of Black babies were born to unmarried mothers. In 2015, 77% of Black babies were born to unmarried mothers.

With these stats, it’s not even a subcultural norm...it’s just the norm.

(And yes, I realize the Kardashians are white. Just saying single motherhood isn’t unusual...especially if you are a Kardashian.)

Wow. What a terrible statistic. No wonder there are so many African Americans living in poverty.

The statistics for whites is closer to 30%. And yes, the statistic is directly tied to class/poverty. The Kardashians are obviously an anomaly.

Anonymous wrote:In 1991, 68% of Black children were born outside of marriage. In 2011, 72% of Black babies were born to unmarried mothers. In 2015, 77% of Black babies were born to unmarried mothers.

With these stats, it’s not even a subcultural norm...it’s just the norm.

(And yes, I realize the Kardashians are white. Just saying single motherhood isn’t unusual...especially if you are a Kardashian.)

Wow. What a terrible statistic. No wonder there are so many African Americans living in poverty.

In 1991, 68% of Black children were born outside of marriage. In 2011, 72% of Black babies were born to unmarried mothers. In 2015, 77% of Black babies were born to unmarried mothers.

With these stats, it’s not even a subcultural norm...it’s just the norm.

(And yes, I realize the Kardashians are white. Just saying single motherhood isn’t unusual...especially if you are a Kardashian.)

Anonymous wrote:I think the Kardashians and the Duggars are on different sides of the same bad influence coin.

This.

Both mostly take care of their kids but much is expected in return. Neither are great role models for how to behave and raise emotionally healthy children. Neither have lifestyles that can be replicated by most of society.