Anonymous
Post 11/21/2019 16:49     Subject: Re:Is DC now a major hot spot for soccer development?
Anonymous wrote:New poster here, chiming in to make a couple of comments related to this statement: “The odds of playing D1 are notably higher for players from the Mid-Atlantic states, but much lower for players in many other areas.”

I had posted that statement and a link to the source document on the recent thread about soccer scholarships. It does seem very clear that the odds of a player from our area playing in college are much higher than the national average, and I think it's very fair to say that the DMV is a hot spot for college recruiting. That is not only because we have so many more colleges in a concentrated area than most parts of the country. If you look at any of the college commitment sites, you will see that tons of kids from our area end up playing all across the country.

But as others have pointed out, that is not the same as saying we are a hotbed for soccer development. We could easily become one, though, if we were able to attract a larger number of talented coaches. We have enough good kids playing, and enough support for the sport, that if you brought in a bunch of Matt Pilkington type coaches (I'm sure there is a parallel example on the girl's side) and gave them the freedom to do their thing, we'd be producing top players and pros at a good clip.


I like where this is going and yes thanks for the link that I reused. Thanks. Why do you think we have a dearth of good coaches here? Cost of living and/or other barriers?
Anonymous
Post 11/21/2019 13:11     Subject: Re:Is DC now a major hot spot for soccer development?
New poster here, chiming in to make a couple of comments related to this statement: “The odds of playing D1 are notably higher for players from the Mid-Atlantic states, but much lower for players in many other areas.”

I had posted that statement and a link to the source document on the recent thread about soccer scholarships. It does seem very clear that the odds of a player from our area playing in college are much higher than the national average, and I think it's very fair to say that the DMV is a hot spot for college recruiting. That is not only because we have so many more colleges in a concentrated area than most parts of the country. If you look at any of the college commitment sites, you will see that tons of kids from our area end up playing all across the country.

But as others have pointed out, that is not the same as saying we are a hotbed for soccer development. We could easily become one, though, if we were able to attract a larger number of talented coaches. We have enough good kids playing, and enough support for the sport, that if you brought in a bunch of Matt Pilkington type coaches (I'm sure there is a parallel example on the girl's side) and gave them the freedom to do their thing, we'd be producing top players and pros at a good clip.
Anonymous
Post 11/21/2019 12:59     Subject: Is DC now a major hot spot for soccer development?
Dilution is a big problem in this area
Anonymous
Post 11/21/2019 08:34     Subject: Is DC now a major hot spot for soccer development?
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Anonymous wrote:What does this have to do with dc being a hot bed?


Nothing. It’s not a hot bed.


Define hot bed, I.e. what makes an area a “hot bed.” Also, TX, FL, and CA are hot beds for all sports so don’t cite those as examples either as that is too easy. Try to actually define what you’re denying.


Come on now... you know what it means... if not, try google...

hot·bed
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noun
1.
an environment promoting the growth of something


Don’t be a simpleton. What is your criteria?



What makes an area a hotbed? If it is an area that promotes growth in soccer development.


So it is subjective based on each person’s definition of growth and development and therefore cannot be measured. Hence, why it makes such a great forum topic as people can disagree easily and have endless conversations.


Now that I’ve set you up, let me throw the knockout punch and add to my last comment. Here are some actual facts. http://www.scholarshipstats.com/soccer.html

“The odds of playing D1 are notably higher for players from the Mid-Atlantic states, but much lower for players in many other areas.”
If you look at MD and VA, those players have the best odds of playing D1 soccer. Far and away the best odds. So given that VA and MD are the two states surrounding the DC metro area (DC itself has poor odds, but we know that DC itself is not a hot bed), and that the counties surrounding DC and Baltimore are the most populated areas, and that they have the best odds of playing D1, then by definition our area IS a hot bed. Period. Also, please don’t talk about “pros” or “NT” as those odds are so low it isn’t even worth discussing. Also, you can cite that VA and MD have better odds because they have more in state schools that play D1 soccer. That actually further supports the hot bed argument in that college is a “development” opportunity. Case closed. The Metro area is a hot bed.


Lmao. I get that this is not an active discussion, but rather you talking to yourself at this point and glad you figured out the relationship between college density and the likelihood to play for a given college that increases with your proximity, but is otherwise meaningless.

If this area is such a “hotbed,” why can’t club teams from this area consistently (or ever) win, or even seriously compete, in national championships. It happens occasionally but is the exception, not the rule.


You all make me laugh. Even when presented with facts you dispute it. You know the answer to your own question but won’t admit it. The answer is dilution. A lot of really good players, spread across a lot of ok teams because there are so many.


Solution doesn’t really answer it, because the dilution here seems to be more between age groups than within them. You can usually find a single team within each age group that rises beyond the others, and talent seems to migrate to that team.

Back to the only thing you presented, which is a ratio. It doesn’t have controlling factors, such as socioeconomic factors accounted for. There are disproportionately higher numbers of kids playing soccer here. It’s because it’s a disproportionately wealthy area. That doesn’t mean the kids here are disproportionately better. It just means they’re there, come from well off families, present well socially and academically. So they get spots. The ratio doesn’t prove your point, in fact it refutes your point. If this were a hotbed, there should be disproportionately higher numbers of players from this area on pro and national teams (senior and junior). There are not.
Anonymous
Post 11/20/2019 23:25     Subject: Is DC now a major hot spot for soccer development?
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Anonymous wrote:What does this have to do with dc being a hot bed?


Nothing. It’s not a hot bed.


Define hot bed, I.e. what makes an area a “hot bed.” Also, TX, FL, and CA are hot beds for all sports so don’t cite those as examples either as that is too easy. Try to actually define what you’re denying.


Come on now... you know what it means... if not, try google...

hot·bed
/?hät?bed/
noun
1.
an environment promoting the growth of something


Don’t be a simpleton. What is your criteria?



What makes an area a hotbed? If it is an area that promotes growth in soccer development.


So it is subjective based on each person’s definition of growth and development and therefore cannot be measured. Hence, why it makes such a great forum topic as people can disagree easily and have endless conversations.


Now that I’ve set you up, let me throw the knockout punch and add to my last comment. Here are some actual facts. http://www.scholarshipstats.com/soccer.html

“The odds of playing D1 are notably higher for players from the Mid-Atlantic states, but much lower for players in many other areas.”
If you look at MD and VA, those players have the best odds of playing D1 soccer. Far and away the best odds. So given that VA and MD are the two states surrounding the DC metro area (DC itself has poor odds, but we know that DC itself is not a hot bed), and that the counties surrounding DC and Baltimore are the most populated areas, and that they have the best odds of playing D1, then by definition our area IS a hot bed. Period. Also, please don’t talk about “pros” or “NT” as those odds are so low it isn’t even worth discussing. Also, you can cite that VA and MD have better odds because they have more in state schools that play D1 soccer. That actually further supports the hot bed argument in that college is a “development” opportunity. Case closed. The Metro area is a hot bed.


D1 college soccer is a cesspool of mediocrity. If that's the product the DC area is producing then it's the opposite of a hotbed. College a development opportunity? You should watch a college game sometime.


Ha. This post makes me laugh too. Moving the bar to suit your argument. I quit, you have no criteria and want to just focus on pros, probably Euro pros. If that is you’re criteria then you are correct on the men’s side and that is obvious, hence not even worth discussing.
Anonymous
Post 11/20/2019 23:22     Subject: Is DC now a major hot spot for soccer development?
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Anonymous wrote:What does this have to do with dc being a hot bed?


Nothing. It’s not a hot bed.


Define hot bed, I.e. what makes an area a “hot bed.” Also, TX, FL, and CA are hot beds for all sports so don’t cite those as examples either as that is too easy. Try to actually define what you’re denying.


Come on now... you know what it means... if not, try google...

hot·bed
/?hät?bed/
noun
1.
an environment promoting the growth of something


Don’t be a simpleton. What is your criteria?



What makes an area a hotbed? If it is an area that promotes growth in soccer development.


So it is subjective based on each person’s definition of growth and development and therefore cannot be measured. Hence, why it makes such a great forum topic as people can disagree easily and have endless conversations.


Now that I’ve set you up, let me throw the knockout punch and add to my last comment. Here are some actual facts. http://www.scholarshipstats.com/soccer.html

“The odds of playing D1 are notably higher for players from the Mid-Atlantic states, but much lower for players in many other areas.”
If you look at MD and VA, those players have the best odds of playing D1 soccer. Far and away the best odds. So given that VA and MD are the two states surrounding the DC metro area (DC itself has poor odds, but we know that DC itself is not a hot bed), and that the counties surrounding DC and Baltimore are the most populated areas, and that they have the best odds of playing D1, then by definition our area IS a hot bed. Period. Also, please don’t talk about “pros” or “NT” as those odds are so low it isn’t even worth discussing. Also, you can cite that VA and MD have better odds because they have more in state schools that play D1 soccer. That actually further supports the hot bed argument in that college is a “development” opportunity. Case closed. The Metro area is a hot bed.


Lmao. I get that this is not an active discussion, but rather you talking to yourself at this point and glad you figured out the relationship between college density and the likelihood to play for a given college that increases with your proximity, but is otherwise meaningless.

If this area is such a “hotbed,” why can’t club teams from this area consistently (or ever) win, or even seriously compete, in national championships. It happens occasionally but is the exception, not the rule.


You all make me laugh. Even when presented with facts you dispute it. You know the answer to your own question but won’t admit it. The answer is dilution. A lot of really good players, spread across a lot of ok teams because there are so many.
Anonymous
Post 11/20/2019 08:16     Subject: Is DC now a major hot spot for soccer development?
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Anonymous wrote:What does this have to do with dc being a hot bed?


Nothing. It’s not a hot bed.


Define hot bed, I.e. what makes an area a “hot bed.” Also, TX, FL, and CA are hot beds for all sports so don’t cite those as examples either as that is too easy. Try to actually define what you’re denying.


Come on now... you know what it means... if not, try google...

hot·bed
/?hät?bed/
noun
1.
an environment promoting the growth of something


Don’t be a simpleton. What is your criteria?



What makes an area a hotbed? If it is an area that promotes growth in soccer development.


So it is subjective based on each person’s definition of growth and development and therefore cannot be measured. Hence, why it makes such a great forum topic as people can disagree easily and have endless conversations.


Now that I’ve set you up, let me throw the knockout punch and add to my last comment. Here are some actual facts. http://www.scholarshipstats.com/soccer.html

“The odds of playing D1 are notably higher for players from the Mid-Atlantic states, but much lower for players in many other areas.”
If you look at MD and VA, those players have the best odds of playing D1 soccer. Far and away the best odds. So given that VA and MD are the two states surrounding the DC metro area (DC itself has poor odds, but we know that DC itself is not a hot bed), and that the counties surrounding DC and Baltimore are the most populated areas, and that they have the best odds of playing D1, then by definition our area IS a hot bed. Period. Also, please don’t talk about “pros” or “NT” as those odds are so low it isn’t even worth discussing. Also, you can cite that VA and MD have better odds because they have more in state schools that play D1 soccer. That actually further supports the hot bed argument in that college is a “development” opportunity. Case closed. The Metro area is a hot bed.


D1 college soccer is a cesspool of mediocrity. If that's the product the DC area is producing then it's the opposite of a hotbed. College a development opportunity? You should watch a college game sometime.


I agree with this, but on that basis, there is not a hotbed for men 's soccer anywhere in the US - I agree with that as well. Who really cares? I don't understand the point of this thread. I guess it is really important for people to feel they are part of a trend or competitive area even if their kid is not.
Anonymous
Post 11/20/2019 07:52     Subject: Is DC now a major hot spot for soccer development?
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Anonymous wrote:What does this have to do with dc being a hot bed?


Nothing. It’s not a hot bed.


Define hot bed, I.e. what makes an area a “hot bed.” Also, TX, FL, and CA are hot beds for all sports so don’t cite those as examples either as that is too easy. Try to actually define what you’re denying.


Come on now... you know what it means... if not, try google...

hot·bed
/?hät?bed/
noun
1.
an environment promoting the growth of something


Don’t be a simpleton. What is your criteria?



What makes an area a hotbed? If it is an area that promotes growth in soccer development.


So it is subjective based on each person’s definition of growth and development and therefore cannot be measured. Hence, why it makes such a great forum topic as people can disagree easily and have endless conversations.


Now that I’ve set you up, let me throw the knockout punch and add to my last comment. Here are some actual facts. http://www.scholarshipstats.com/soccer.html

“The odds of playing D1 are notably higher for players from the Mid-Atlantic states, but much lower for players in many other areas.”
If you look at MD and VA, those players have the best odds of playing D1 soccer. Far and away the best odds. So given that VA and MD are the two states surrounding the DC metro area (DC itself has poor odds, but we know that DC itself is not a hot bed), and that the counties surrounding DC and Baltimore are the most populated areas, and that they have the best odds of playing D1, then by definition our area IS a hot bed. Period. Also, please don’t talk about “pros” or “NT” as those odds are so low it isn’t even worth discussing. Also, you can cite that VA and MD have better odds because they have more in state schools that play D1 soccer. That actually further supports the hot bed argument in that college is a “development” opportunity. Case closed. The Metro area is a hot bed.


Lmao. I get that this is not an active discussion, but rather you talking to yourself at this point and glad you figured out the relationship between college density and the likelihood to play for a given college that increases with your proximity, but is otherwise meaningless.

If this area is such a “hotbed,” why can’t club teams from this area consistently (or ever) win, or even seriously compete, in national championships. It happens occasionally but is the exception, not the rule.
Anonymous
Post 11/20/2019 07:38     Subject: Is DC now a major hot spot for soccer development?
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Anonymous wrote:What does this have to do with dc being a hot bed?


Nothing. It’s not a hot bed.


Define hot bed, I.e. what makes an area a “hot bed.” Also, TX, FL, and CA are hot beds for all sports so don’t cite those as examples either as that is too easy. Try to actually define what you’re denying.


Come on now... you know what it means... if not, try google...

hot·bed
/?hät?bed/
noun
1.
an environment promoting the growth of something


Don’t be a simpleton. What is your criteria?



What makes an area a hotbed? If it is an area that promotes growth in soccer development.


So it is subjective based on each person’s definition of growth and development and therefore cannot be measured. Hence, why it makes such a great forum topic as people can disagree easily and have endless conversations.


Now that I’ve set you up, let me throw the knockout punch and add to my last comment. Here are some actual facts. http://www.scholarshipstats.com/soccer.html

“The odds of playing D1 are notably higher for players from the Mid-Atlantic states, but much lower for players in many other areas.”
If you look at MD and VA, those players have the best odds of playing D1 soccer. Far and away the best odds. So given that VA and MD are the two states surrounding the DC metro area (DC itself has poor odds, but we know that DC itself is not a hot bed), and that the counties surrounding DC and Baltimore are the most populated areas, and that they have the best odds of playing D1, then by definition our area IS a hot bed. Period. Also, please don’t talk about “pros” or “NT” as those odds are so low it isn’t even worth discussing. Also, you can cite that VA and MD have better odds because they have more in state schools that play D1 soccer. That actually further supports the hot bed argument in that college is a “development” opportunity. Case closed. The Metro area is a hot bed.


D1 college soccer is a cesspool of mediocrity. If that's the product the DC area is producing then it's the opposite of a hotbed. College a development opportunity? You should watch a college game sometime.
Anonymous
Post 11/20/2019 06:51     Subject: Is DC now a major hot spot for soccer development?
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:What does this have to do with dc being a hot bed?


Nothing. It’s not a hot bed.


Define hot bed, I.e. what makes an area a “hot bed.” Also, TX, FL, and CA are hot beds for all sports so don’t cite those as examples either as that is too easy. Try to actually define what you’re denying.


Come on now... you know what it means... if not, try google...

hot·bed
/?hät?bed/
noun
1.
an environment promoting the growth of something


Don’t be a simpleton. What is your criteria?



What makes an area a hotbed? If it is an area that promotes growth in soccer development.


So it is subjective based on each person’s definition of growth and development and therefore cannot be measured. Hence, why it makes such a great forum topic as people can disagree easily and have endless conversations.


Now that I’ve set you up, let me throw the knockout punch and add to my last comment. Here are some actual facts. http://www.scholarshipstats.com/soccer.html

“The odds of playing D1 are notably higher for players from the Mid-Atlantic states, but much lower for players in many other areas.”
If you look at MD and VA, those players have the best odds of playing D1 soccer. Far and away the best odds. So given that VA and MD are the two states surrounding the DC metro area (DC itself has poor odds, but we know that DC itself is not a hot bed), and that the counties surrounding DC and Baltimore are the most populated areas, and that they have the best odds of playing D1, then by definition our area IS a hot bed. Period. Also, please don’t talk about “pros” or “NT” as those odds are so low it isn’t even worth discussing. Also, you can cite that VA and MD have better odds because they have more in state schools that play D1 soccer. That actually further supports the hot bed argument in that college is a “development” opportunity. Case closed. The Metro area is a hot bed.
Anonymous
Post 11/19/2019 18:44     Subject: Is DC now a major hot spot for soccer development?
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:What does this have to do with dc being a hot bed?


Nothing. It’s not a hot bed.


Define hot bed, I.e. what makes an area a “hot bed.” Also, TX, FL, and CA are hot beds for all sports so don’t cite those as examples either as that is too easy. Try to actually define what you’re denying.


Come on now... you know what it means... if not, try google...

hot·bed
/?hät?bed/
noun
1.
an environment promoting the growth of something


Don’t be a simpleton. What is your criteria?



What makes an area a hotbed? If it is an area that promotes growth in soccer development.


So it is subjective based on each person’s definition of growth and development and therefore cannot be measured. Hence, why it makes such a great forum topic as people can disagree easily and have endless conversations.
Anonymous
Post 11/19/2019 15:37     Subject: Is DC now a major hot spot for soccer development?
Anonymous wrote:This area is definitely a hotbed for naive soccer parents!!


+1
Anonymous
Post 11/19/2019 08:35     Subject: Is DC now a major hot spot for soccer development?
This area is definitely a hotbed for naive soccer parents!!
Anonymous
Post 11/19/2019 08:06     Subject: Is DC now a major hot spot for soccer development?
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:What does this have to do with dc being a hot bed?


Nothing. It’s not a hot bed.


Define hot bed, I.e. what makes an area a “hot bed.” Also, TX, FL, and CA are hot beds for all sports so don’t cite those as examples either as that is too easy. Try to actually define what you’re denying.


Come on now... you know what it means... if not, try google...

hot·bed
/?hät?bed/
noun
1.
an environment promoting the growth of something


Don’t be a simpleton. What is your criteria?



What makes an area a hotbed? If it is an area that promotes growth in soccer development.
Anonymous
Post 11/19/2019 00:10     Subject: Is DC now a major hot spot for soccer development?
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What does this have to do with dc being a hot bed?


Nothing. It’s not a hot bed.


Define hot bed, I.e. what makes an area a “hot bed.” Also, TX, FL, and CA are hot beds for all sports so don’t cite those as examples either as that is too easy. Try to actually define what you’re denying.


Come on now... you know what it means... if not, try google...

hot·bed
/?hät?bed/
noun
1.
an environment promoting the growth of something


Don’t be a simpleton. What is your criteria?