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Anonymous wrote:If it is about helping disadvantaged families and keeping kids safe within enriching and safe environment then absolutely YES!
Keeping schools open for low income kids who could stay and be safe is fantastic idea. As long as it is not across the board
just extending school day for every kid as many kids do not need an aftercare and they have stable homes to go back to.
It should focus on kids in need but it could and should be available for everyone on as needed basis.

It would be great if many charities channel into it providing free meals and creative programs to make no kid goes home hungry.

We aren’t low income and I don’t see how this wouldn’t fill a huge gap for working families of all income levels. I’d love for my kids to stay after school for homework, tutoring, enrichment, and outdoor play. Now we nibble along with after school babysitters.

Her point is “Choice.” And not “across the board.”

My son went to a free by invitation aftercare at a title 1 school.
It was mandatory if you accepted- you could pick your kid up early, but to do it on a regular basis you had to bring a schedule of afterschool activity you picked them up to attend.
Also, the kids who needed this arrangement the most- the ones from fragile homes- did not get last long, either because their guardians did not fill out the paperwork and did not attend the mandatory orientation, or they were kicked out due to behavior.
It was the same cohort of kids with parents who weren’t educated but at least had interest in their kids’ wellbeing.
Also, it’s true, many kids has someone to watch them at home. Some families would find someone (a grandparent) to watch the kids from the same apartment complex. It worked better for them apparently. There were always extra spots there so the demand was not soaring.

Anonymous wrote:Great, let's abdicate parental responsibility even more than we already have. May as well make them all wards of the state and have teachers be their legal guardians. 20 students to each teacher seems like an appropriate ratio.

Just today I watched this video talking exactly about that, children as wards of the state!
https://youtu.be/E0sbDFYSKeY

Anonymous wrote:If it is about helping disadvantaged families and keeping kids safe within enriching and safe environment then absolutely YES!
Keeping schools open for low income kids who could stay and be safe is fantastic idea. As long as it is not across the board
just extending school day for every kid as many kids do not need an aftercare and they have stable homes to go back to.
It should focus on kids in need but it could and should be available for everyone on as needed basis.

It would be great if many charities channel into it providing free meals and creative programs to make no kid goes home hungry.

We aren’t low income and I don’t see how this wouldn’t fill a huge gap for working families of all income levels. I’d love for my kids to stay after school for homework, tutoring, enrichment, and outdoor play. Now we nibble along with after school babysitters.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It would be done for the benefit of the parents and not the children. Let's be honest about that at least.

100% yes.

+1. Nobody is talking about what would be best for the CHILDREN! Yes, sure, just leave them in jail, I mean, school for 10 hours !!!! a day. Who needs free time to be kids, to participate in family activities, to just be bored at home!?? Do you all really think it would be healthy for a kid to spend 10 hours in a building a day???

+1

+1 also

Great, let's abdicate parental responsibility even more than we already have. May as well make them all wards of the state and have teachers be their legal guardians. 20 students to each teacher seems like an appropriate ratio.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It would be done for the benefit of the parents and not the children. Let's be honest about that at least.

100% yes.

+1. Nobody is talking about what would be best for the CHILDREN! Yes, sure, just leave them in jail, I mean, school for 10 hours !!!! a day. Who needs free time to be kids, to participate in family activities, to just be bored at home!?? Do you all really think it would be healthy for a kid to spend 10 hours in a building a day???

+1

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Anonymous wrote:It would be done for the benefit of the parents and not the children. Let's be honest about that at least.

100% yes.

+1. Nobody is talking about what would be best for the CHILDREN! Yes, sure, just leave them in jail, I mean, school for 10 hours !!!! a day. Who needs free time to be kids, to participate in family activities, to just be bored at home!?? Do you all really think it would be healthy for a kid to spend 10 hours in a building a day???

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Anonymous wrote:We already have a free after school program at my Title One school. They rotate classrooms that they use. I hate when they use mine because the aftercare teachers aren't usually actual teachers. They are more like babysitters. They don't pay much attention to the students and the kids end up ruining a lot of my stuff (books, school supplies, etc). My room is almost always messy when I come in the next morning so I have to spend a good 15 minutes cleaning and putting things back where they belong. It isn't just my classroom that is a mess.

You need to talk to your principal and the staff at the after care about that. I'd rather have a messy classroom and kids safe than kids going home alone at a very early age.

NP and this also happens to me. My principal’s response is that it’s out of her jurisdiction since the aftercare is responsible. The aftercare won’t hold themselves responsible. They both said to just lock up anything I don’t want them to use. I’m not sure how to lock up open shelves of books and supply closets that don’t have locks and won’t fit an external lock. It’s a huge time and money issue and no one really cares because it only impacts me (the teacher who purchased most of the stuff they’re using out of my own pocket).

I would get a lockable chest/locker like we had in college. And, some teachers put a heavy fabric and make it very hard to get to the open shelves. Be creative. Principal is wrong.

Anonymous wrote:https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.inquirer.com/education/kamala-harris-longer-school-day-plan-20191107.html%3foutputType=amp
Keep schools open 10 hours a day? Kamala Harris wants to align student and work schedules.

Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Kamala Harris has proposed a 10-hour day for students to align school with work schedules — a pitch she says is intended to ease the burden on working parents.

The Californian’s plan, introduced Wednesday, would extend the day — though not necessarily classes — in 500 schools nationwide by awarding five-year grants of up to $5 million to elementary schools with a large share of low-income students.

And we think we have issues NOW recruiting & retaining teachers? She's an idiot.

I already work 14 hour days. 9 in my building and the rest at home. I need to see my own child and DH. I think two shifts of teachers could handle a 10 hour day. It might even create more time for grading, planning, reports, and training if each teacher taught 4 classes instead of 5 or 6. I didn’t read the article, though.

Anonymous wrote:It would be done for the benefit of the parents and not the children. Let's be honest about that at least.

100% yes.

One step close to China's 9.5 hour day. The problem is employer family friendly policies. I'm completely borrowing from the title. If employers know retail workers can get their childcare covered why ever give time off. Let's put them in on weekends too. Make them full time institutions.

Second the aftercare programs that exist are in poor quality, and are teenagers who don't pay attention. Also this is a trial run proposal to then implement mandatory for all children.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We already have a free after school program at my Title One school. They rotate classrooms that they use. I hate when they use mine because the aftercare teachers aren't usually actual teachers. They are more like babysitters. They don't pay much attention to the students and the kids end up ruining a lot of my stuff (books, school supplies, etc). My room is almost always messy when I come in the next morning so I have to spend a good 15 minutes cleaning and putting things back where they belong. It isn't just my classroom that is a mess.

You need to talk to your principal and the staff at the after care about that. I'd rather have a messy classroom and kids safe than kids going home alone at a very early age.

NP and this also happens to me. My principal’s response is that it’s out of her jurisdiction since the aftercare is responsible. The aftercare won’t hold themselves responsible. They both said to just lock up anything I don’t want them to use. I’m not sure how to lock up open shelves of books and supply closets that don’t have locks and won’t fit an external lock. It’s a huge time and money issue and no one really cares because it only impacts me (the teacher who purchased most of the stuff they’re using out of my own pocket).

Anonymous wrote:It’s called aftercare. Bfd

+1 how it this groundbreaking, unless she’s proposing it should be free, which our towns is based on financial need.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand the perpetual flip-out of "school isn't daycare". True enough, however there is the reality that most people work 9-5 or some variation on business hours. The school day doesn't take that into account at all so... why not take a more practical approach and try to fix the issue.

What? Are we afraid to make things a little easier?

Easier for who? My classroom won't be available for hosting before or after care with some random daycare worker because I have personally purchased 90% of what is in it. There would be no place to lock up every single thing and even if there were, it isn't feasible. And, no, I am not willing to work additional hours for $10-12 an hour. (I am not willing to work additional hours for my current rate of pay either because I'm already putting in the max amount of hours I am able to work, either.)

Then you lock up your stuff. You own the stuff, not the classroom.