Anonymous
10/23/2019 00:13
Subject: Was it true? Catholic doctors.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:When I was a teenager, my mom told me that if I ever had a baby, don't go to a Catholic hospital because if something went wrong and the doctor had to choose just one of us to save, he’d save the baby. Was there any truth to that? I assume it’s not true today.
I believe this is true as child would be without sin. Roman Catholism has done more harm than good since St. Peter stood on the rock!
Catholic Church began in 1024 after the church was split between East and West
Where do they teach that?
Anonymous
10/23/2019 00:12
Subject: Was it true? Catholic doctors.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:When I was a teenager, my mom told me that if I ever had a baby, don't go to a Catholic hospital because if something went wrong and the doctor had to choose just one of us to save, he’d save the baby. Was there any truth to that? I assume it’s not true today.
I believe this is true as child would be without sin. Roman Catholism has done more harm than good since St. Peter stood on the rock!
Catholic Church began in 1024 after the church was split between East and West
Not entirely true. Not much true.. Not true at all.
Catholic Church begins with the teachings of Jesus Christ, who lived in the 1st century CE.
The East–West Schism, also called the Great Schism and the Schism of 1054, was the break of communion between what are now the Roman Catholic Church and Orthodox Catholic Churches
Anonymous
10/14/2019 22:34
Subject: Was it true? Catholic doctors.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:When I was a teenager, my mom told me that if I ever had a baby, don't go to a Catholic hospital because if something went wrong and the doctor had to choose just one of us to save, he’d save the baby. Was there any truth to that? I assume it’s not true today.
I believe this is true as child would be without sin. Roman Catholism has done more harm than good since St. Peter stood on the rock!
Catholic Church began in 1024 after the church was split between East and West
Anonymous
10/14/2019 10:12
Subject: Was it true? Catholic doctors.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I just want to say that a lot of expectant mothers would choose to save the baby's life over their own. So this isn't just a Catholic thing. There was even a thread on DCUM about this where most people would choose their baby's life over theirs. I personally would choose me and made this clear to DH. I need to be alive to care for my other children and I can have more children later. It's a personal decision. But I always had that discussion with DH while I was pregnant because he'd make the decisions for me if I was incapacitated.
It is very rare for the delivery room to only have 2 choices, to either save the baby or mother. Perhaps we should not use that as an analogy since it just about does not happen
I am more concerned with Catholic hospitals refusing to give sterilizations, forcing women to carry a stillborn fetus until she gets septic before helping her, delaying care for ectopic pregnancy, etc
I can take this. I had a ruptured ectopic pregnancy about 15-16 years ago and went to Holy Cross Hospital in Silver Spring. Had excellent care including an emergency salpingectomy without undue delay.
the problem with Catholic hospitals is that they may *force* you to have the tube rupture by refusing timely medication to avoid the rupture. They consider the medication to be an abortion (because it intends to kill the embryo), but removing the tube after a rupture is OK because the embryo is already dead.
This.
If caught early enough, an ectopic pregnancy can be treated via methotrexate shots, thereby preventing the need for surgery and removal of tube and helping to preserve the woman's future fertility.
However, some Catholic hospitals do not provide this service, since it is a form of termination (albeit of a nonviable pregnancy) before the mother's life is very obviously at risk due to hemorrhage.
Anonymous
10/13/2019 22:38
Subject: Was it true? Catholic doctors.
F these clowns.
Anonymous
10/13/2019 22:17
Subject: Was it true? Catholic doctors.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I just want to say that a lot of expectant mothers would choose to save the baby's life over their own. So this isn't just a Catholic thing. There was even a thread on DCUM about this where most people would choose their baby's life over theirs. I personally would choose me and made this clear to DH. I need to be alive to care for my other children and I can have more children later. It's a personal decision. But I always had that discussion with DH while I was pregnant because he'd make the decisions for me if I was incapacitated.
It is very rare for the delivery room to only have 2 choices, to either save the baby or mother. Perhaps we should not use that as an analogy since it just about does not happen
I am more concerned with Catholic hospitals refusing to give sterilizations, forcing women to carry a stillborn fetus until she gets septic before helping her, delaying care for ectopic pregnancy, etc
I can take this. I had a ruptured ectopic pregnancy about 15-16 years ago and went to Holy Cross Hospital in Silver Spring. Had excellent care including an emergency salpingectomy without undue delay.
the problem with Catholic hospitals is that they may *force* you to have the tube rupture by refusing timely medication to avoid the rupture. They consider the medication to be an abortion (because it intends to kill the embryo), but removing the tube after a rupture is OK because the embryo is already dead.
Anonymous
10/13/2019 22:13
Subject: Was it true? Catholic doctors.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
It's not that they say the mother must die, it's that many times, they won't do anything, as long as there is a fetal heartbeat even though the the fetus clearly cannot survive until the mother is very sick and thus, they risk her life.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2636458/
This is what happened in the well known case of Savita Halppanavar who died in Ireland several years ago.
Horrid
Sometimes it is obvious that the pregnancy will not end with a full term healthy baby
They still wait for things to get worse before ending it
Resulting in a lot of unnecessary pain and suffering
This is the protocol that my insurance as a federal employee calls for too. If your baby is DOA, they will not pay for an abortion and you must carry it to term. Ask me how I know
Federal insurance only pays for a D&C if baby has died in the womb.
while the lack of insurance is terrible, there's a BIG difference between an insurance company not paying, and a hospital or doctor refusing to perform the D&c
Anonymous
10/13/2019 22:10
Subject: Was it true? Catholic doctors.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I just want to say that a lot of expectant mothers would choose to save the baby's life over their own. So this isn't just a Catholic thing. There was even a thread on DCUM about this where most people would choose their baby's life over theirs. I personally would choose me and made this clear to DH. I need to be alive to care for my other children and I can have more children later. It's a personal decision. But I always had that discussion with DH while I was pregnant because he'd make the decisions for me if I was incapacitated.
It is very rare for the delivery room to only have 2 choices, to either save the baby or mother. Perhaps we should not use that as an analogy since it just about does not happen
I am more concerned with Catholic hospitals refusing to give sterilizations, forcing women to carry a stillborn fetus until she gets septic before helping her, delaying care for ectopic pregnancy, etc
I can take this. I had a ruptured ectopic pregnancy about 15-16 years ago and went to Holy Cross Hospital in Silver Spring. Had excellent care including an emergency salpingectomy without undue delay.
Anonymous
10/13/2019 21:47
Subject: Was it true? Catholic doctors.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Just last week, something similar happened in a small town in Washington state where the only hospital was Catholic.
https://rewire.news/article/2019/09/25/miscarriage-catholic-hospital/
And more info here in a Forbes article about how widespread this is.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/judystone/2016/05/07/health-care-denied-at-550-hospitals-because-of-catholic-doctrine/#25d6a0c5ad9d
Just to be fair, it looks like the people enacting these laws were hospital administrators and nurses. The people seen in the ED were “providers,” and the only MD mentioned was essentially an admin as well. From the article, the physicians involved in the actual
patient care were the ones who advocated for and saved these women.
This. Don’t conflate doctors with administrators. Catholic doctors are actively fighting these policies at their specific institutions.
Catholic doctors invented oral contraceptives and are continuing to look for contraception that doesn’t violate the church’s policies. Catholic doctors are on call 24/7 in hospital ethics committees with decisions made within minutes. Catholic doctors are caring for patients anyway and risking getting fired. Catholic doctors are getting patients transferred out of these hospitals. In every case posted here, the doctors are taking care of patients.
Still though, if a choice of hospitals is available, wouldn’t you choose the one which doesn’t have policies and administrators and nurses who are more concerned with church doctrine than patient care? That’s all OP’s mom was saying. And if you have a choice, you’re lucky - in a lot of areas of this country you don’t have a number of hospitals to pick from.
You realize doctors who are Catholic can be at non-catholic hospitals? And non-Catholic doctors can work at a Catholic hospital.
The issue isn’t Catholic doctors, but catholic hospitals.
Anonymous
10/12/2019 13:36
Subject: Was it true? Catholic doctors.
Anonymous wrote:When I was a teenager, my mom told me that if I ever had a baby, don't go to a Catholic hospital because if something went wrong and the doctor had to choose just one of us to save, he’d save the baby. Was there any truth to that? I assume it’s not true today.
I believe this is true as child would be without sin. Roman Catholism has done more harm than good since St. Peter stood on the rock!
Anonymous
10/10/2019 13:40
Subject: Was it true? Catholic doctors.
There continue to be many mergers of Catholic hospitals with secular ones. When the merger occurs, the name of the previously secular hospital often does not change so that people going there may not be aware that they are in a Catholic hospital. However, once merged, the hospital must follow the bishops’ directives. And, thus, even though you think you are in a secular hospital, you are not. There is a lot of information out there about this situation and the restrictions that the directives place on all kinds of care, even to overriding living wills.
Anonymous
10/10/2019 10:39
Subject: Was it true? Catholic doctors.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
It's not that they say the mother must die, it's that many times, they won't do anything, as long as there is a fetal heartbeat even though the the fetus clearly cannot survive until the mother is very sick and thus, they risk her life.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2636458/
This is what happened in the well known case of Savita Halppanavar who died in Ireland several years ago.
Horrid
Sometimes it is obvious that the pregnancy will not end with a full term healthy baby
They still wait for things to get worse before ending it
Resulting in a lot of unnecessary pain and suffering
This is the protocol that my insurance as a federal employee calls for too. If your baby is DOA, they will not pay for an abortion and you must carry it to term. Ask me how I know
Federal insurance only pays for a D&C if baby has died in the womb.
I'm so sorry.
Anonymous
10/10/2019 08:35
Subject: Was it true? Catholic doctors.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
It's not that they say the mother must die, it's that many times, they won't do anything, as long as there is a fetal heartbeat even though the the fetus clearly cannot survive until the mother is very sick and thus, they risk her life.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2636458/
This is what happened in the well known case of Savita Halppanavar who died in Ireland several years ago.
Horrid
Sometimes it is obvious that the pregnancy will not end with a full term healthy baby
They still wait for things to get worse before ending it
Resulting in a lot of unnecessary pain and suffering
This is the protocol that my insurance as a federal employee calls for too. If your baby is DOA, they will not pay for an abortion and you must carry it to term. Ask me how I know
Federal insurance only pays for a D&C if baby has died in the womb.
Yeah, that is not a "Catholic policy." My friend had to do that too. Not Catholic, not at a Catholic hospital.
Anonymous
10/10/2019 08:32
Subject: Was it true? Catholic doctors.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
It's not that they say the mother must die, it's that many times, they won't do anything, as long as there is a fetal heartbeat even though the the fetus clearly cannot survive until the mother is very sick and thus, they risk her life.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2636458/
This is what happened in the well known case of Savita Halppanavar who died in Ireland several years ago.
Horrid
Sometimes it is obvious that the pregnancy will not end with a full term healthy baby
They still wait for things to get worse before ending it
Resulting in a lot of unnecessary pain and suffering
This is the protocol that my insurance as a federal employee calls for too. If your baby is DOA, they will not pay for an abortion and you must carry it to term. Ask me how I know
Federal insurance only pays for a D&C if baby has died in the womb.
Anonymous
10/10/2019 07:44
Subject: Was it true? Catholic doctors.
Anonymous wrote:
It's not that they say the mother must die, it's that many times, they won't do anything, as long as there is a fetal heartbeat even though the the fetus clearly cannot survive until the mother is very sick and thus, they risk her life.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2636458/
This is what happened in the well known case of Savita Halppanavar who died in Ireland several years ago.
Horrid
Sometimes it is obvious that the pregnancy will not end with a full term healthy baby
They still wait for things to get worse before ending it
Resulting in a lot of unnecessary pain and suffering