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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyone ever see this happen? Violent aggressive play beyond what could be considered a reasonable part of this sport. Resulted in injury to victim and yellow card given to thug (should have been red).

I won't have my player play against this team again if that player is on field. My player is strong and tough but too bad. This was second contest we have seen this thug is action and first outing was almost as bad. maybe that is rewarding thugs but I don't care as potential injury is not worth making point.

Just venting. I film the player so I have evidence if needed. Uggg. What. Ant players looking for violent physical confrontation take up boxing or ice hockey or something?

In Europe, there can be a payback in response for dirty play, which has a deterrence effect on dirty play. When Pepe deliberately stepped on Messi's hand, next time they played Messi kicked him hard from behind at the first opportunity and happily took a yellow card. Roy Keane had a payback for Haaland after Haaland injured and taunted him. https://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/oct/06/roy-keane-alf-inge-haaland-book

American suburban boys are too soft and refs are too lenient to dangerous play, so thugs tend to thrive in this environment, when they can dish out pain and never get meaningful consequence.

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Nailed it.

Anonymous wrote:Stop using the word “thug.” You sound histrionic and ridiculous.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyone ever see this happen? Violent aggressive play beyond what could be considered a reasonable part of this sport. Resulted in injury to victim and yellow card given to thug (should have been red).

I won't have my player play against this team again if that player is on field. My player is strong and tough but too bad. This was second contest we have seen this thug is action and first outing was almost as bad. maybe that is rewarding thugs but I don't care as potential injury is not worth making point.

Just venting. I film the player so I have evidence if needed. Uggg. What. Ant players looking for violent physical confrontation take up boxing or ice hockey or something?

In Europe, there can be a payback in response for dirty play, which has a deterrence effect on dirty play. When Pepe deliberately stepped on Messi's hand, next time they played Messi kicked him hard from behind at the first opportunity and happily took a yellow card. Roy Keane had a payback for Haaland after Haaland injured and taunted him. https://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/oct/06/roy-keane-alf-inge-haaland-book

American suburban boys are too soft and refs are too lenient to dangerous play, so thugs tend to thrive in this environment, when they can dish out pain and never get meaningful consequence.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyone ever see this happen? Violent aggressive play beyond what could be considered a reasonable part of this sport. Resulted in injury to victim and yellow card given to thug (should have been red).

I won't have my player play against this team again if that player is on field. My player is strong and tough but too bad. This was second contest we have seen this thug is action and first outing was almost as bad. maybe that is rewarding thugs but I don't care as potential injury is not worth making point.

Just venting. I film the player so I have evidence if needed. Uggg. What. Ant players looking for violent physical confrontation take up boxing or ice hockey or something?

Based upon the first comment, you sound like a coach. But the next comment , you said you’re just venting. A true coach would file a complaint with the league against the player and his coach to prevent/stop this behavior. If you’re a parent, did you talk to your coach about this?

Just happened. Clearly the violent players coach has a hand in the style of play. Obnoxious loud mouth the entire game,. Berating and belittling the players and eventually getting a card. So the player was dangerous but it seems she was encouraged to be so.

My current thinking is to let my teen age player handle it with the caveat that she may not play again against this defender as a forward. My player will have to accept any consequence doled out because of my rule. Oh well. She will have to blame it on me.

When she no longer a minor and is financing her own soccer (and medical expenses), she can decide what to do without any inteference. (Or guidance as I like to call it)

Your player could benefit from an education into the realities of how such players are dealt with in the global game: the opposing teams deliberately try to get them sent off, or at least carded.

The coach may say something to the ref before the game, and continue to complain every time the player commits a hard foul. The coach will draw attention to the # of times the same player has committed those fouls. The coach might say things like - "if you don't card her she's going to keep on doing it all game."

The players themselves will also join in. They will look to draw fouls from that player. When those fouls happen, they will go down. If the foul hurt, they will make sure the ref knows it hurt. In short, while they may not dive, they will definitely embellish. And they will ask for cards. And they will keep at it until the thuggery is dealt with.

Some teams who know they are outmatched from a skill / technical standpoint will adopt a strategy of playing extremely physical. They will intentionally foul early and hard - in areas where free kicks aren't dangerous. This can be effective. It stops the more technical team from getting into their rhythm. It gets in the heads of the players - making them fear and anticipate the hard contact so they can't relax and play their game. It also makes the more technical team's players less effective because they are physically hurting. It doesn't take a broken ankle. Try playing with a charlie horse. It makes a difference.

Faced with a team playing with this strategy, the more technical team will often resort to the tactics I outlined above - embellishing fouls and trying to get the opposition players carded.

A good ref will make all of the unnecessary. He or she will immediately see what is going on, give an early yellow card, and not hesitate to send the player off if she keeps it up. Unfortunately, good refs around hear are a scarce commodity. So, you can either whine about it, run from it, or you can do something about it. Like it or not, that's the way the game is played.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyone ever see this happen? Violent aggressive play beyond what could be considered a reasonable part of this sport. Resulted in injury to victim and yellow card given to thug (should have been red).

I won't have my player play against this team again if that player is on field. My player is strong and tough but too bad. This was second contest we have seen this thug is action and first outing was almost as bad. maybe that is rewarding thugs but I don't care as potential injury is not worth making point.

Just venting. I film the player so I have evidence if needed. Uggg. What. Ant players looking for violent physical confrontation take up boxing or ice hockey or something?

Based upon the first comment, you sound like a coach. But the next comment , you said you’re just venting. A true coach would file a complaint with the league against the player and his coach to prevent/stop this behavior. If you’re a parent, did you talk to your coach about this?

Just happened. Clearly the violent players coach has a hand in the style of play. Obnoxious loud mouth the entire game,. Berating and belittling the players and eventually getting a card. So the player was dangerous but it seems she was encouraged to be so.

My current thinking is to let my teen age player handle it with the caveat that she may not play again against this defender as a forward. My player will have to accept any consequence doled out because of my rule. Oh well. She will have to blame it on me.

When she no longer a minor and is financing her own soccer (and medical expenses), she can decide what to do without any inteference. (Or guidance as I like to call it)

Anonymous wrote:So what was the violent play? You said it resulted in injury and a yellow card. Are you a coach or parent?

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Anonymous wrote:Help me calibrate my Thugometer: on a scale of BRYC to VDA, how thuggish is this young lady’s game?

https://youtu.be/Wd1bxM3uP5A

Of course, if she had played at FCV she would have gone straight to the pros/national team.

Exactly. The older FCV girls are absolutly thugs. The problem is - it's entertainment and it works. If that's how you get to the national team - that's exactly what you do. I think they call it "scrappy"! If you are a talented, game impacting player who makes a difference every single game but you stay on your feet - oh well... that's not what the coaches are looking for.