Anonymous
09/25/2019 18:20
Subject: Re:Can you rent a basement of a house and go to that local school
Do you people not read the paper? There’s a huge scandal on DC right now about this and kids and getting kicked out and parents being made to pay back tuition. I realize that we’re probably talking about within Montgomery County here, but the evidence from DC is that yes, sometimes it really blows up when you cheat.
https://www.fraud-magazine.com/article.aspx?id=4294984805
https://wamu.org/story/19/09/05/d-c-attorney-general-sues-16-parents-over-school-residency-fraud/
https://www.fraud-magazine.com/article.aspx?id=4294984805
https://wamu.org/story/19/09/05/d-c-attorney-general-sues-16-parents-over-school-residency-fraud/
Anonymous
09/25/2019 18:06
Subject: Can you rent a basement of a house and go to that local school
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If I rent a basement of a house in another school boundary - but still live in current home, Can I use the rental as my address to get DD into school?
Yes. You can absolutely do this. Many families do.
You'll get some posters on here who feign outrage, but in many cultures, you do what you need to do to get ahead. So, many families in MCPS use relatives' addresses, or friends' addresses to attend schools that are out of their boundary. It's NBD, and nobody every gets caught.
My coworker even lives in Frederick County, and her daughter attends MCPS because they are using an aunt's address. It's very prevalent, though I'm not an MCPS fan, so not sure what the appeal is!
Not feigning outrage here.
?? Not sure what you're saying.
Granny can’t always be at your house because might be caring for multiple school age grandchildren from different nuclear families. My friend cared for three of her children’s kids after school for roughly four years. They would have been enrolled in 4-5 different down county ES otherwise. All got COSAs.
PP is actually wrong. I have reported someone myself when my kids were younger. So, definitely not nobody.
And, what came of it?
Nothing.
My neighbor also reported someone. The person was definitely NOT living in our neighborhood. Kids lived at a completely different address. Did not have a COSA, but the parents used a grandparents' address. They said it was 'shared housing', even though the kids slept at their actual home every single night. Mom drove them to and from the bus stop daily.
That's a totally different situation. Using grandparents address is accepted practice because many families rely on grandparents for after care. Totally legal.
As for what came of my reporting, how do you know nothing came out? You really shouldn't BS things you don't know about. Dont' get worked up.
LOL, not actually legal. I mean, can I use my nanny's address? You don't know the rules, you're just an unethical human being who is being a selfish jerk.
It's not unethical to fill out a COSA and tell the truth that you parents provide care in the afternoon.
First Granny shouldn't be a child care provider. How cheap can you be?
Second, Granny can be at your house to pick child up from bus.
Not a reasonable COSA at all.
Anonymous
09/25/2019 18:01
Subject: Re:Can you rent a basement of a house and go to that local school
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Sure! As long as you guys live there.
I think you only need to sleep there 20 nights a month. Not bad! You could still enjoy your nice house the remaining days.
I think it’s less than that.
Anonymous
09/25/2019 17:19
Subject: Can you rent a basement of a house and go to that local school
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I personally know a child who was removed from their school this year for "boundary fraud." It was bizarre because the child was actually living in-boundary, but the home belonged to relatives.
So, there is enforcement, and sometimes over-enforcement.
This makes no sense. I rent. Will my children be thrown out of school? What are you trying to stir up here, PP?
I am not the pp but I know of a similar case. In that case, the family had fallen on hard times and decided to rent out their primary residence and move in with family membersl. The whole family resided in that house, but they did not have a lease agreement and MCPS had them on record with the previous address. They fell into a bit of a donut hole where they were not homeless but they also were not living in their primary residence in order to save money. Now, this isn't an incredibly common situation but it is a lot more legitimate than the situation that the original poster is describing and demonstrates that sometimes enforcement does happen.
Anonymous
09/25/2019 17:10
Subject: Can you rent a basement of a house and go to that local school
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If I rent a basement of a house in another school boundary - but still live in current home, Can I use the rental as my address to get DD into school?
Yes. You can absolutely do this. Many families do.
You'll get some posters on here who feign outrage, but in many cultures, you do what you need to do to get ahead. So, many families in MCPS use relatives' addresses, or friends' addresses to attend schools that are out of their boundary. It's NBD, and nobody every gets caught.
My coworker even lives in Frederick County, and her daughter attends MCPS because they are using an aunt's address. It's very prevalent, though I'm not an MCPS fan, so not sure what the appeal is!
Not feigning outrage here.
?? Not sure what you're saying.
PP is actually wrong. I have reported someone myself when my kids were younger. So, definitely not nobody.
And, what came of it?
Nothing.
My neighbor also reported someone. The person was definitely NOT living in our neighborhood. Kids lived at a completely different address. Did not have a COSA, but the parents used a grandparents' address. They said it was 'shared housing', even though the kids slept at their actual home every single night. Mom drove them to and from the bus stop daily.
That's a totally different situation. Using grandparents address is accepted practice because many families rely on grandparents for after care. Totally legal.
As for what came of my reporting, how do you know nothing came out? You really shouldn't BS things you don't know about. Dont' get worked up.
LOL, not actually legal. I mean, can I use my nanny's address? You don't know the rules, you're just an unethical human being who is being a selfish jerk.
It's not unethical to fill out a COSA and tell the truth that you parents provide care in the afternoon.
First Granny shouldn't be a child care provider. How cheap can you be?
Second, Granny can be at your house to pick child up from bus.
Not a reasonable COSA at all.
DP
This is cultural. Many families from other cultures see their grandparents’ home as their own home. So they do my even consider it an issue. There’s not as much of a distinction between immediate and extended family as there is for many here in the US.
I know of several families who feel this way and who use a relative’s address to access an MCPS school that they see as ‘better’. These are just families trying to get their kids into the best learning environment possible.
Anonymous
09/25/2019 17:07
Subject: Can you rent a basement of a house and go to that local school
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes, get a signed lease.
Also make sure the owner has a rental license and that the basement meets the requirements for light, ventilation and emergency egress.
Not in Montgomery County. Montgomery County rarely cracks down on illegal rentals. We have several on our street, and they have not been shut down, even though the owners have no rental license.
"Rarely" =/= never. Would you want to risk it? Especially if something goes wrong and someone gets hurt? I sure wouldn't.
I don't do this. But, many people do. It's an easy way to make money. Like it or not, Montgomery County looks the other way on housing code violations, because there is a push for 'affordable housing' for recent arrivals.
Landlords recognize the opportunity, and take full advantage of it.
Are you posting on the correct thread? This thread is about somebody in the DCUM demographic who wants to know about fraudulently renting a basement in a house presumably zoned for a "good" (i.e., affluent) school cluster.
Was responding to the PP who said that if someone wanted to rent out his basement, that he would need to make that basement apartment up to code.
I was only commenting that in MoCo, housing code enforcement is rather lax.
Anonymous
09/25/2019 16:54
Subject: Can you rent a basement of a house and go to that local school
If the HOA allows for renting just the basement. Our HOA expects us to rent out the whole house, so that the house does not become tenement housing.
Anonymous
09/25/2019 16:52
Subject: Can you rent a basement of a house and go to that local school
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If I rent a basement of a house in another school boundary - but still live in current home, Can I use the rental as my address to get DD into school?
Yes. You can absolutely do this. Many families do.
You'll get some posters on here who feign outrage, but in many cultures, you do what you need to do to get ahead. So, many families in MCPS use relatives' addresses, or friends' addresses to attend schools that are out of their boundary. It's NBD, and nobody every gets caught.
My coworker even lives in Frederick County, and her daughter attends MCPS because they are using an aunt's address. It's very prevalent, though I'm not an MCPS fan, so not sure what the appeal is!
Not feigning outrage here.
?? Not sure what you're saying.
PP is actually wrong. I have reported someone myself when my kids were younger. So, definitely not nobody.
And, what came of it?
Nothing.
My neighbor also reported someone. The person was definitely NOT living in our neighborhood. Kids lived at a completely different address. Did not have a COSA, but the parents used a grandparents' address. They said it was 'shared housing', even though the kids slept at their actual home every single night. Mom drove them to and from the bus stop daily.
That's a totally different situation. Using grandparents address is accepted practice because many families rely on grandparents for after care. Totally legal.
As for what came of my reporting, how do you know nothing came out? You really shouldn't BS things you don't know about. Dont' get worked up.
LOL, not actually legal. I mean, can I use my nanny's address? You don't know the rules, you're just an unethical human being who is being a selfish jerk.
It's not unethical to fill out a COSA and tell the truth that you parents provide care in the afternoon.
First Granny shouldn't be a child care provider. How cheap can you be?
Second, Granny can be at your house to pick child up from bus.
Not a reasonable COSA at all.
Let me remind you that you opinions don't matter. It was good enough for MCPS. You can F yourself.
Anonymous
09/25/2019 16:46
Subject: Can you rent a basement of a house and go to that local school
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If I rent a basement of a house in another school boundary - but still live in current home, Can I use the rental as my address to get DD into school?
Yes. You can absolutely do this. Many families do.
You'll get some posters on here who feign outrage, but in many cultures, you do what you need to do to get ahead. So, many families in MCPS use relatives' addresses, or friends' addresses to attend schools that are out of their boundary. It's NBD, and nobody every gets caught.
My coworker even lives in Frederick County, and her daughter attends MCPS because they are using an aunt's address. It's very prevalent, though I'm not an MCPS fan, so not sure what the appeal is!
Not feigning outrage here.
?? Not sure what you're saying.
PP is actually wrong. I have reported someone myself when my kids were younger. So, definitely not nobody.
And, what came of it?
Nothing.
My neighbor also reported someone. The person was definitely NOT living in our neighborhood. Kids lived at a completely different address. Did not have a COSA, but the parents used a grandparents' address. They said it was 'shared housing', even though the kids slept at their actual home every single night. Mom drove them to and from the bus stop daily.
That's a totally different situation. Using grandparents address is accepted practice because many families rely on grandparents for after care. Totally legal.
As for what came of my reporting, how do you know nothing came out? You really shouldn't BS things you don't know about. Dont' get worked up.
LOL, not actually legal. I mean, can I use my nanny's address? You don't know the rules, you're just an unethical human being who is being a selfish jerk.
It's not unethical to fill out a COSA and tell the truth that you parents provide care in the afternoon.
First Granny shouldn't be a child care provider. How cheap can you be?
Second, Granny can be at your house to pick child up from bus.
Not a reasonable COSA at all.
Anonymous
09/25/2019 16:10
Subject: Can you rent a basement of a house and go to that local school
I will report you if I find out about it.
Anonymous
09/25/2019 16:02
Subject: Re:Can you rent a basement of a house and go to that local school
I know someone who reported a family who did this at our extremely overcrowded school. No COSA. The kid got kicked out. This was last year. Believe me, this get enforced; but it's only enforced if it's reported.
Anonymous
09/25/2019 15:48
Subject: Re:Can you rent a basement of a house and go to that local school
Anonymous wrote:I would report you, OP. I have no problem with wanting a better education for your child. But you need to make a sacrifice like the rest of us. I live in a small apartment in a good school district so my child can go to that school. I could get a lot more for my money somewhere else, but I value my child's education more than I value square footage.
I could have written this exact same post. And also teaching my child honesty is really important to me. She is in general a very honest child and if she thought she had to lie about her address she would be very very stressed out
Anonymous
09/25/2019 15:46
Subject: Can you rent a basement of a house and go to that local school
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If I rent a basement of a house in another school boundary - but still live in current home, Can I use the rental as my address to get DD into school?
Yes. You can absolutely do this. Many families do.
You'll get some posters on here who feign outrage, but in many cultures, you do what you need to do to get ahead. So, many families in MCPS use relatives' addresses, or friends' addresses to attend schools that are out of their boundary. It's NBD, and nobody every gets caught.
My coworker even lives in Frederick County, and her daughter attends MCPS because they are using an aunt's address. It's very prevalent, though I'm not an MCPS fan, so not sure what the appeal is!
Not feigning outrage here.
?? Not sure what you're saying.
PP is actually wrong. I have reported someone myself when my kids were younger. So, definitely not nobody.
And, what came of it?
Nothing.
My neighbor also reported someone. The person was definitely NOT living in our neighborhood. Kids lived at a completely different address. Did not have a COSA, but the parents used a grandparents' address. They said it was 'shared housing', even though the kids slept at their actual home every single night. Mom drove them to and from the bus stop daily.
That's a totally different situation. Using grandparents address is accepted practice because many families rely on grandparents for after care. Totally legal.
As for what came of my reporting, how do you know nothing came out? You really shouldn't BS things you don't know about. Dont' get worked up.
LOL, not actually legal. I mean, can I use my nanny's address? You don't know the rules, you're just an unethical human being who is being a selfish jerk.
It's not unethical to fill out a COSA and tell the truth that you parents provide care in the afternoon.
Anonymous
09/25/2019 15:15
Subject: Re:Can you rent a basement of a house and go to that local school
I would report you, OP. I have no problem with wanting a better education for your child. But you need to make a sacrifice like the rest of us. I live in a small apartment in a good school district so my child can go to that school. I could get a lot more for my money somewhere else, but I value my child's education more than I value square footage.
Anonymous
09/25/2019 15:03
Subject: Can you rent a basement of a house and go to that local school
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I personally know a child who was removed from their school this year for "boundary fraud." It was bizarre because the child was actually living in-boundary, but the home belonged to relatives.
So, there is enforcement, and sometimes over-enforcement.
This makes no sense. I rent. Will my children be thrown out of school? What are you trying to stir up here, PP?
If you read the policy that someone posted, the Shared Housing documentation seems to require proof that the parent/guardian actually shares housing with the homeowner/renter, not that the child does. I mean, it says parent/guardian or "eligible student" but I don't know how a student would have the additional documentation needed - a utility bill? bank statements? - that they require to prove residence. So if, for example, the child actually lives with the grandparents M-F, and the parents live elsewhere, then the student is "residing" in-boundary, certainly just as much as the child of divorced parents only one of whom lives within the boundary, but they may not have the documentation for the "Shared Housing" section of the policy. Maybe that is what happened to the child PP knows? The policy does not seem to accommodate children living apart from a parent/guardian without a formal transfer of guardianship. A child could actually be living with grandparents or an aunt/uncle full-time or part-time and it would be hard to establish that residency in a way that satisfies the policy.
Also, I think the policy may define "resides" as doing it for some reason other than to send the kid to that particular school (it's been a while since I read the whole thing). So if the child is living with grandparents/other family in order to go to that school, even if the child is actually living there, I guess they might be able to boot them for residency fraud? Not sure about that.