Anonymous
09/19/2019 13:55
Subject: Re:What does a youth soccer coach make per year?
Anonymous wrote:
Yes, that is true, but his salary is comparable to other league - most of it is a bonus. Which leads me to wonder why such a bonus is necessary, if other leagues can retain talent without it. My kids play for Alexandria, and while I've been very happy with it generally, I'm irritated at being asked to help with fundraising when the league already has money lying around to pay this kind of a bonus. I'm busy and don't intend to put more any time into fundraising for ASA in the near future light of this.
The salary is not comparable to anything in the area. He’s basically stealing from the kids and club.
You clearly don't understand the distinction between a salary and a bonus. I agree that his overall compensation, consisting of both salary and bonus, is greater than other directors. However, his salary is comparable to other directors. What is different is the bonus. It would be interesting/useful to learn how that is calculated or determined, and whether ASA is obligated to continue giving him comparable bonuses in the future under whatever arrangement determined it.
Overall compensation is all that is relevant. As you have stated, this is greater than other directors. By how much would be interesting .... Pretending that bonus and salary are separate is a rookie HR and accounting mistake-total compensation is all that is important - the mixing of bonus/base is simply a way to get encourage certain performance. Regardless of how those two are put together, the overall compensation cannot(legally) be too far away from the other directors.
Anonymous
09/19/2019 12:45
Subject: Re:What does a youth soccer coach make per year?
Yes, that is true, but his salary is comparable to other league - most of it is a bonus. Which leads me to wonder why such a bonus is necessary, if other leagues can retain talent without it. My kids play for Alexandria, and while I've been very happy with it generally, I'm irritated at being asked to help with fundraising when the league already has money lying around to pay this kind of a bonus. I'm busy and don't intend to put more any time into fundraising for ASA in the near future light of this.
The salary is not comparable to anything in the area. He’s basically stealing from the kids and club.
You clearly don't understand the distinction between a salary and a bonus. I agree that his overall compensation, consisting of both salary and bonus, is greater than other directors. However, his salary is comparable to other directors. What is different is the bonus. It would be interesting/useful to learn how that is calculated or determined, and whether ASA is obligated to continue giving him comparable bonuses in the future under whatever arrangement determined it.
Anonymous
09/19/2019 12:39
Subject: Re:What does a youth soccer coach make per year?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Alexandria ED does indeed make north of $300K.
https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organiz...2413/201811359349309756/IRS990
Yes, that is true, but his salary is comparable to other league - most of it is a bonus. Which leads me to wonder why such a bonus is necessary, if other leagues can retain talent without it. My kids play for Alexandria, and while I've been very happy with it generally, I'm irritated at being asked to help with fundraising when the league already has money lying around to pay this kind of a bonus. I'm busy and don't intend to put more any time into fundraising for ASA in the near future light of this.
Quick lesson. Clubs are not Leagues.
A league is a organization that club team play in. Alexandria is a club that has teams who play in leagues like CCL and EDP.
Distinction without a difference. I think the position on the floor is that no club head should make that money, though we have no idea what else may be compensable at other clubs (do people get to run their own training and camp services outside the club, etc). Of course, we could have this debate about every occupation and level in the global economy. It tends to bring out the worst in people. Privilege. Envy. Self-righteousness. Ulterior motives. Entitlement. Etc. Apparently this matters a lot to people who aren't at the club. Their motives are suspect and obvious. For those in the club, it is a legitimate question to ask, and properly directed to the Board, with appropriate reference to what other club heads make with similar obligations and performance.
That is all fine and good, just stop calling them leagues. People do this in other threads too and there is a difference, leagues don't pay coaches.
Anonymous
09/19/2019 12:33
Subject: Re:What does a youth soccer coach make per year?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Alexandria ED does indeed make north of $300K.
https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organiz...2413/201811359349309756/IRS990
Yes, that is true, but his salary is comparable to other league - most of it is a bonus. Which leads me to wonder why such a bonus is necessary, if other leagues can retain talent without it. My kids play for Alexandria, and while I've been very happy with it generally, I'm irritated at being asked to help with fundraising when the league already has money lying around to pay this kind of a bonus. I'm busy and don't intend to put more any time into fundraising for ASA in the near future light of this.
Quick lesson. Clubs are not Leagues.
A league is a organization that club team play in. Alexandria is a club that has teams who play in leagues like CCL and EDP.
Distinction without a difference. I think the position on the floor is that no club head should make that money, though we have no idea what else may be compensable at other clubs (do people get to run their own training and camp services outside the club, etc). Of course, we could have this debate about every occupation and level in the global economy. It tends to bring out the worst in people. Privilege. Envy. Self-righteousness. Ulterior motives. Entitlement. Etc. Apparently this matters a lot to people who aren't at the club. Their motives are suspect and obvious. For those in the club, it is a legitimate question to ask, and properly directed to the Board, with appropriate reference to what other club heads make with similar obligations and performance.
Anonymous
09/19/2019 11:52
Subject: Re:What does a youth soccer coach make per year?
Anonymous wrote:Alexandria ED does indeed make north of $300K.
https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organiz...2413/201811359349309756/IRS990
Yes, that is true, but his salary is comparable to other league - most of it is a bonus. Which leads me to wonder why such a bonus is necessary, if other leagues can retain talent without it. My kids play for Alexandria, and while I've been very happy with it generally, I'm irritated at being asked to help with fundraising when the league already has money lying around to pay this kind of a bonus. I'm busy and don't intend to put more any time into fundraising for ASA in the near future light of this.
Quick lesson. Clubs are not Leagues.
A league is a organization that club team play in. Alexandria is a club that has teams who play in leagues like CCL and EDP.
Anonymous
09/19/2019 11:44
Subject: Re:What does a youth soccer coach make per year?
Anonymous wrote:Alexandria ED does indeed make north of $300K.
https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organiz...2413/201811359349309756/IRS990
Yes, that is true, but his salary is comparable to other league - most of it is a bonus. Which leads me to wonder why such a bonus is necessary, if other leagues can retain talent without it. My kids play for Alexandria, and while I've been very happy with it generally, I'm irritated at being asked to help with fundraising when the league already has money lying around to pay this kind of a bonus. I'm busy and don't intend to put more any time into fundraising for ASA in the near future light of this.
The salary is not comparable to anything in the area. He’s basically stealing from the kids and club.
Anonymous
09/19/2019 09:45
Subject: What does a youth soccer coach make per year?
Anonymous wrote:Do soccer coaches receive a bonus or assessed by their club based on a season’s wins and losses ?
Coaches can get promoted to higher teams based on performance.
Anonymous
09/19/2019 09:40
Subject: Re:What does a youth soccer coach make per year?
Alexandria ED does indeed make north of $300K.
https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organiz...2413/201811359349309756/IRS990
Yes, that is true, but his salary is comparable to other league - most of it is a bonus. Which leads me to wonder why such a bonus is necessary, if other leagues can retain talent without it. My kids play for Alexandria, and while I've been very happy with it generally, I'm irritated at being asked to help with fundraising when the league already has money lying around to pay this kind of a bonus. I'm busy and don't intend to put more any time into fundraising for ASA in the near future light of this.
Anonymous
09/19/2019 08:38
Subject: Re:What does a youth soccer coach make per year?
Anonymous wrote:Girls can get to D1 via ECNL ... but yeah not likely getting to D1 with any money. HS soccer is more cost effective if DC just likes playing.[/quot
I've seen analysis that say about 5% of HS Boys will play in college, and about 10% of HS girls. From what I've seen locally (at Mclean), that seems about right. The girls ENCL teams place almost all of those players on college teams, and the Boys teams place maybe 1/2 of the players. So even at a pretty high level, it's about a 2:1 ration, girls to boys going on to college soccer.
Anonymous
09/19/2019 07:42
Subject: Re:What does a youth soccer coach make per year?
Girls can get to D1 via ECNL ... but yeah not likely getting to D1 with any money. HS soccer is more cost effective if DC just likes playing.
Anonymous
09/18/2019 22:10
Subject: What does a youth soccer coach make per year?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Holy carp. All my soccer teams when I was growing up in the Midwest were coached my volunteer parents!! I had no idea it was so common around here to pay coaches...
+1
My travel coach was a butcher and another one was a drywall guy. Approximately how much are parents paying per season? Do a large percentage go on to D1 or higher? This sounds crazy to me.
Virtually none in club soccer go to d1. D1 is almost half foreign recruits, and the other half mostly DA. The occasional exceptional player on a club team might get a 50% scholarship. There is almost no path to d1 from a local, non DA club.
Anonymous
09/05/2019 21:29
Subject: What does a youth soccer coach make per year?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Doesn't the board have to vote to approve the ED Salary?
Not sure how that worked in this particular case, but normally yes. Typically there is a compensation committee that does a study of the market and proposes a salary to the board who than votes. In private enterprises that comp can be as crazy as the board wants to make it. In 501c3s there are lots of constraints on what can be done. Uncle Sam doesn't grant tax exemption status without trying to keep a lid on the crazy things folks come up with.
Unless it’s a church. Maybe ASA is a religious organization?
Anonymous
09/05/2019 17:13
Subject: What does a youth soccer coach make per year?
Anonymous wrote:Doesn't the board have to vote to approve the ED Salary?
Not sure how that worked in this particular case, but normally yes. Typically there is a compensation committee that does a study of the market and proposes a salary to the board who than votes. In private enterprises that comp can be as crazy as the board wants to make it. In 501c3s there are lots of constraints on what can be done. Uncle Sam doesn't grant tax exemption status without trying to keep a lid on the crazy things folks come up with.
Anonymous
09/05/2019 15:42
Subject: Re:What does a youth soccer coach make per year?
You think the KIDS are the customers?
My friend, it’s the parents...
My friend, it’s the parents...
Anonymous
09/05/2019 15:39
Subject: What does a youth soccer coach make per year?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If they are jerks to other adults, they are jerks to the kids as well
This is pretty dumb. Entire business empires are built on treating customers well and employees poorly.
I knew soccer was done once it started referring to kids as customers. I about had a heart attack when I heard my kid’s coach use that term. That alone implies a level of politics and appeasement. Developing athletes are not customers. The athlete has to perform or the athlete does not advance or play in the game. The Club that used this term has out of control politics with a “whine the loudest” policy or donate big to affect placement. Youth sports is a business. It’s no longer for the kids or about the kids.
There should be a good balance. It’s not as cut and dry. You’re using a model that works for adults and applying it to little kids. That has to change. You’re right that it’s not about the kids anymore. It’s about the coaches , wins and losses, growth of club, and egos. We need to keep kids in the sport. Being too hard will burn them out early. If you think that’s fine, you’re right , it’s not about the kids anymore.