Anonymous
Post 08/20/2019 07:48     Subject: S/O Why do more females go to college than males nationally?
Anonymous wrote:I posted on the other thread. Actual studies on this conclude the achievement gap across the education spectrum is due to women having better executive function skills and their pre-frontal cortex developing earlier.

Which leads to... failure to launch, video game addiction, substance abuse, etc. and just generally not having their shit together. In non-STEM fields there is now affirmative action for white men. They are getting in under lower standards to try to balance classes. And classes are still unbalanced. Look at the WM admissions numbers.



Is it really affirmative action for white men, or just men in general?
Anonymous
Post 08/20/2019 07:44     Subject: Re:S/O Why do more females go to college than males nationally?
Anonymous wrote:Women have to protect themselves.

Women are the ones who get pregnant, who have the children if they get pregnant and keep them. Men can rape, and not be held responsible for the outcome. Men can leave after consensual sex. Women are stuck. An education can help provide options.

Women are often at the financial and physical mercy of men, and education is one way to leverage some control over our lives.

Women are newly allowed into many colleges and fields. We're still in the "we have to work really hard for our success" phase. My mother wasn't allowed to take higher level math courses in high school, those were for boys. [b]She had me in every advanced class I qualified for, and pushed me towards a rigorous college education. I was often the only or one of the only girls in my college math, science, and engineering courses. I am explicit with my daughter that she can do these things, and that being in the minority doesn't mean she's in the wrong place or not supposed to be there.

My grandmother stayed with my abusive, drunk, grandfather because she had no choice. My mother had slightly more choices, although she was a mother before she had credit of her own, and could open accounts without my father's name on them. I have a vast array of choices, my parents made sure I had my own finances (we're not wealthy, but my dad, having grown up in a household where his mother was stuck, understood what an emergency fund in his mother's name might have done for her), and my education has also made sure I had options.

My daughter will go to college and get an education because the world is not safe for women. Education is power.



Really my grandmother was in all the advanced math and science classes in her HS, and that was in the 40's.
Anonymous
Post 08/20/2019 06:22     Subject: S/O Why do more females go to college than males nationally?
Anonymous wrote:Even if a woman was inclined to do so, the best trade jobs are often controlled by guilds and unions, and it is a lot easier to "get in" as a man.


I agree with this. You can make a living wage by getting into a trade, which are dominated/controlled by men. I can think of no female equivalent jobs that provide the same salary and benefits that don’t require a degree.
Anonymous
Post 08/20/2019 06:15     Subject: Re:S/O Why do more females go to college than males nationally?
Girls have always been better with language than boys and school is a lot of language. My son used to read in his desk at school and would get in trouble for it. He said he just couldn’t stand that his teachers talked non-stop. Boys develop slower than girls in nearly every area except spacial ability. It is not surprising that they don’t perform as well in school that requires a high degree of many skills.
Anonymous
Post 08/19/2019 16:42     Subject: S/O Why do more females go to college than males nationally?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:1. Because the trade jobs for women suck and pay little. It is easier for a man to break into plumbing or electrical work. Have you noticed who always holds the stop sign at a construction project?

2. School rewards the well-behaved and obedient. So on average, girls do better in elementary school.... high school. This sets them on the path to college success in greater numbers than the boys.





This is the reason. In the past, the reason why girls didn't attend college in the same numbers, was because they weren't necessarily expected to. It was perfectly accepted to work as a secretary until getting married, and then you didn't have to work anymore. Nowadays, where everyone is encouraged to attend college, it's going to be the well-behaved and obedient who are more likely to do so, and by and far they tend to be females.


Don’t underestimate the first point. Construction pays more than twice what childcare pays.
Anonymous
Post 08/19/2019 15:58     Subject: S/O Why do more females go to college than males nationally?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I posted on the other thread. Actual studies on this conclude the achievement gap across the education spectrum is due to women having better executive function skills and their pre-frontal cortex developing earlier.

Which leads to... failure to launch, video game addiction, substance abuse, etc. and just generally not having their shit together. In non-STEM fields there is now affirmative action for white men. They are getting in under lower standards to try to balance classes. And classes are still unbalanced. Look at the WM admissions numbers.



Teacher and mother of a teen boy here. Girls “do school” better than boys on average and it is due to their superior executive function skills. I am not as “smart” as my teen son but I did MUCH better in school. Why? His EF skills are years behind a girl’s at this point. I’m sure moms of both sexes can understand. My son and my make students have trouble remembering to hand in completed work. They do it and either don’t physically hand it in or forget to turn it in on Google Classroom. That negatively affects their grade. Girls are better at everything school related- doing the work, handing it in on time, class discussions, being on top of their assignments etc.


I just spent several minutes on google, and did not find any overwhelming evidence that girls develop executive functioning skills substantially (or at all) earlier than boys. I did find one interesting study out of Pakistan, where, as the researchers expected, they found boys had better executive functioning skills than girls, which in the discussion they attributed partly to the higher expectations on them.

But if you have research to share, that would be great.
Anonymous
Post 08/19/2019 15:40     Subject: S/O Why do more females go to college than males nationally?
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You mean our education system that was built around educating boys, and our university systems that kept women out? Harvard didn't confer a degree on a woman until 1963 (and it was later that Harvard was conferring that degree on a Harvard educated woman, not a Radcliffe educated one).

Don't you find it fascinating that an educational system that was built around and designed for boys, suddenly is "all about girls!" when girls gain entry and begin and succeed? Could it be that we just require a whole lot more of our girls than we do of our boys?


Thank you! Yes, indeed! Women were kept out of the elite college game for as long as the elite colleges could get away with it.
Anonymous
Post 08/19/2019 15:03     Subject: S/O Why do more females go to college than males nationally?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I posted on the other thread. Actual studies on this conclude the achievement gap across the education spectrum is due to women having better executive function skills and their pre-frontal cortex developing earlier.

Which leads to... failure to launch, video game addiction, substance abuse, etc. and just generally not having their shit together. In non-STEM fields there is now affirmative action for white men. They are getting in under lower standards to try to balance classes. And classes are still unbalanced. Look at the WM admissions numbers.



Teacher and mother of a teen boy here. Girls “do school” better than boys on average and it is due to their superior executive function skills. I am not as “smart” as my teen son but I did MUCH better in school. Why? His EF skills are years behind a girl’s at this point. I’m sure moms of both sexes can understand. My son and my make students have trouble remembering to hand in completed work. They do it and either don’t physically hand it in or forget to turn it in on Google Classroom. That negatively affects their grade. Girls are better at everything school related- doing the work, handing it in on time, class discussions, being on top of their assignments etc.


+1 Long slow brain development.
Anonymous
Post 08/19/2019 14:54     Subject: Re:S/O Why do more females go to college than males nationally?
Anonymous wrote:The most common jobs for women... teacher and nurse... require college.

The most common jobs for men do not.


And most of those jobs "stereotypically for men" will pay more than the jobs "stereotypically for women" that require a $$ degree.
Anonymous
Post 08/19/2019 13:13     Subject: S/O Why do more females go to college than males nationally?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Because women have to have better qualifications to get a job. Men are still paid more than women.

But are qualifications the same as performance and skill? You can get every piece of paper and all the A's under the rainbow but if you can't perform, you're not getting promoted.


Until women started getting the qualifications (which are a proxy for having the performance and skill - that's how you get the qualifications), that was the excuse for them not getting the jobs and promotions. Now you have to come up with new reasons that it's not sexism; it's that women don't deserve it!

Studies also show that women continue to not be recognized for their performance and skill like men are.
So women have the credentials, they have the performance and the skill, and men are still over promoted in comparison.
It's sexism.

Getting an A because you diligently parroted the teacher's opinion isn't skill. There have been studies showing favoritism in grading toward girls and with affirmative action acceptances, that piece of paper loses it's worth as a proxy for skill.
Look at the gender ratio at all the academic STEM competitions which are objective measures of skill. Boys don't do as well in school but do much better at competitions with objective measures of ability.


Right. Qualifications were critical, until women start getting them in abundance. Then it's just "diligently parrot[ing] the teacher's opinion" and no longer relevant. Trust me, I'm a woman, I understand. This is exactly why girls and women are more successful than boys and men are these days. Because every time we achieve something, we're told it wasn't important anyway, and the goalposts are moved, and we have to continue striving in order to meet our goals. The boys just hear "nothing is important" and go back to their video games.

Fascinating that only those things that boys do better in are "objective" and the things that girls do better in just aren't important.
Girls have higher grades in high school and college. But I'm sure you'll say that's just sucking up to teachers.
Boys have higher SAT math scores. I'm sure you'll say that's objective.

Or maybe, girls just work harder, for longer, and boys coast on native ability and then don't know what do with themselves when faced with a challenge. And girls keep working. Because people like you dismiss every achievement. So keep at it. Girls will continue to succeed.
Anonymous
Post 08/19/2019 13:07     Subject: S/O Why do more females go to college than males nationally?
Anonymous wrote:It is because our education system is geared toward women interests. How many comic books do kids get to read in school and write a book report about it? None. Instead they have to read books about love and other dopey things in a young boys mind.


You mean our education system that was built around educating boys, and our university systems that kept women out? Harvard didn't confer a degree on a woman until 1963 (and it was later that Harvard was conferring that degree on a Harvard educated woman, not a Radcliffe educated one).

Don't you find it fascinating that an educational system that was built around and designed for boys, suddenly is "all about girls!" when girls gain entry and begin and succeed? Could it be that we just require a whole lot more of our girls than we do of our boys?
Anonymous
Post 08/19/2019 12:50     Subject: Re:S/O Why do more females go to college than males nationally?
Girls tend to be people pleasers and are good at doing what they are told on time. They are rewarded for that. Once when my son was in MS, I commented about what handing in work late says about him to his teachers. He looked at me with a funny look and replied @Why would i care what my teachers think about me?” Well okay then.
Anonymous
Post 08/19/2019 11:42     Subject: S/O Why do more females go to college than males nationally?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Because women have to have better qualifications to get a job. Men are still paid more than women.

But are qualifications the same as performance and skill? You can get every piece of paper and all the A's under the rainbow but if you can't perform, you're not getting promoted.


Until women started getting the qualifications (which are a proxy for having the performance and skill - that's how you get the qualifications), that was the excuse for them not getting the jobs and promotions. Now you have to come up with new reasons that it's not sexism; it's that women don't deserve it!

Studies also show that women continue to not be recognized for their performance and skill like men are.
So women have the credentials, they have the performance and the skill, and men are still over promoted in comparison.
It's sexism.

Getting an A because you diligently parroted the teacher's opinion isn't skill. There have been studies showing favoritism in grading toward girls and with affirmative action acceptances, that piece of paper loses it's worth as a proxy for skill.
Look at the gender ratio at all the academic STEM competitions which are objective measures of skill. Boys don't do as well in school but do much better at competitions with objective measures of ability.
Anonymous
Post 08/19/2019 11:42     Subject: S/O Why do more females go to college than males nationally?
It is because our education system is geared toward women interests. How many comic books do kids get to read in school and write a book report about it? None. Instead they have to read books about love and other dopey things in a young boys mind.
Anonymous
Post 08/19/2019 11:35     Subject: S/O Why do more females go to college than males nationally?
Anonymous wrote:I posted on the other thread. Actual studies on this conclude the achievement gap across the education spectrum is due to women having better executive function skills and their pre-frontal cortex developing earlier.

Which leads to... failure to launch, video game addiction, substance abuse, etc. and just generally not having their shit together. In non-STEM fields there is now affirmative action for white men. They are getting in under lower standards to try to balance classes. And classes are still unbalanced. Look at the WM admissions numbers.



Teacher and mother of a teen boy here. Girls “do school” better than boys on average and it is due to their superior executive function skills. I am not as “smart” as my teen son but I did MUCH better in school. Why? His EF skills are years behind a girl’s at this point. I’m sure moms of both sexes can understand. My son and my make students have trouble remembering to hand in completed work. They do it and either don’t physically hand it in or forget to turn it in on Google Classroom. That negatively affects their grade. Girls are better at everything school related- doing the work, handing it in on time, class discussions, being on top of their assignments etc.