Anonymous
08/14/2019 10:54
Subject: Re:Is "Public Ivy" really a thing?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Look up what Harvey Manssfield ( a long time Harvard professor) has to say about its academic standards. The Ivy’s used to produce great witers, orators, and statesmen(Frost, Calhoun, Adams) What do they produ now? Idiots like Bush, Hillary, Obama, Trump, Cruz etc
LOL. Old turdy losers are funny.
A man with degrees from Harvard, military service, countless academic articles to his name, several important books to his name, and a longtime tenured professorship at Harvard has no doubt made a more important contribution to society than you could make in a million years, right?
Uh...I was referring to the PP, not the professor.
Anonymous
08/14/2019 10:48
Subject: Re:Is "Public Ivy" really a thing?
Anonymous wrote:Look up what Harvey Manssfield ( a long time Harvard professor) has to say about its academic standards. The Ivy’s used to produce great witers, orators, and statesmen(Frost, Calhoun, Adams) What do they produ now? Idiots like Bush, Hillary, Obama, Trump, Cruz etc
LOL. Old turdy losers are funny.
A man with degrees from Harvard, military service, countless academic articles to his name, several important books to his name, and a longtime tenured professorship at Harvard has no doubt made a more important contribution to society than you could make in a million years, right?
Anonymous
08/14/2019 10:45
Subject: Is "Public Ivy" really a thing?
Anonymous wrote:Wahoo here. We roll our eyes at people who say it. We are fine with being a public school. People who have to say “public ivy” obviously think there something wrong with just being a good public school.
No, sorry, “We” don’t all roll our eyes at it.
Anonymous
08/14/2019 10:45
Subject: Is "Public Ivy" really a thing?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I found this humorous but was chatting with another parent and after I revealed my daughter is going to Cornell she said "that's wonderful, my son is going to an ivy too!". I said "that's great, which one?" and she said "UNC, chapel Hill". I said "I'm sorry that's not ivy league"and she retorted "yes it is, it's a public ivy".
I'm sorry but isn't there only one ivy league? My child worked incredibly hard to get into an ivy I frankly think it's rude to misrepresent and say that UNC is ivy league - even though it is a great school.
People in your position should be gracious. Your child has "won." Congratulations to her. Other parents' comments don't diminish her accomplishments.
DP . There's nothing gracious about letting this ill-informed parent continue with their public ivy nonsense. The kind thing to do would be to educate her.
Anonymous
08/14/2019 10:40
Subject: Is "Public Ivy" really a thing?
The public ivy mom sounds like a complete weirdo. Who volunteers that kind of info? It sounds like you said nothing about ivy league status.
Anonymous
08/14/2019 10:33
Subject: Is "Public Ivy" really a thing?
Anonymous wrote:I found this humorous but was chatting with another parent and after I revealed my daughter is going to Cornell she said "that's wonderful, my son is going to an ivy too!". I said "that's great, which one?" and she said "UNC, chapel Hill". I said "I'm sorry that's not ivy league"and she retorted "yes it is, it's a public ivy".
I'm sorry but isn't there only one ivy league? My child worked incredibly hard to get into an ivy I frankly think it's rude to misrepresent and say that UNC is ivy league - even though it is a great school.
People in your position should be gracious. Your child has "won." Congratulations to her. Other parents' comments don't diminish her accomplishments.
Anonymous
08/14/2019 10:25
Subject: Is "Public Ivy" really a thing?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It’s not really a thing. But at the same time, and I say this as a proud Cornell grad, Ivy is a football league.
Cornell is a good school, and it’s great your dd got in, but you should be proud she got into Cornell, not that she got into an Ivy. They’re not interchangeable, and there are plenty of schools that are not in the Ivy League that are quite arguably better than Cornell.
+1
It’s not a real thing. “Ivy League” is just a sports conference. “Public Ivy” is a term manufactured by parents to make themselves feel better about their choices.
Incorrect. It is a real thing. Term has been in use for 35 years. College counselors use it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Ivy
Yep, a real term. As for what it means, not much. Unless you consider UVM a peer institution with Berkeley or UVA.
It's a "real" manufactured term used to make people feel better about their choices. It's not actually a real thing. The "Ivy League" is a real thing - it's a sports conference.
+1 . It's an idiotic term.
Anonymous
08/14/2019 10:17
Subject: Is "Public Ivy" really a thing?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It’s not really a thing. But at the same time, and I say this as a proud Cornell grad, Ivy is a football league.
Cornell is a good school, and it’s great your dd got in, but you should be proud she got into Cornell, not that she got into an Ivy. They’re not interchangeable, and there are plenty of schools that are not in the Ivy League that are quite arguably better than Cornell.
+1
It’s not a real thing. “Ivy League” is just a sports conference. “Public Ivy” is a term manufactured by parents to make themselves feel better about their choices.
Incorrect. It is a real thing. Term has been in use for 35 years. College counselors use it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Ivy
Yep, a real term. As for what it means, not much. Unless you consider UVM a peer institution with Berkeley or UVA.
It's a "real" manufactured term used to make people feel better about their choices. It's not actually a real thing. The "Ivy League" is a real thing - it's a sports conference.
Anonymous
08/14/2019 10:09
Subject: Is "Public Ivy" really a thing?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It’s not really a thing. But at the same time, and I say this as a proud Cornell grad, Ivy is a football league.
Cornell is a good school, and it’s great your dd got in, but you should be proud she got into Cornell, not that she got into an Ivy. They’re not interchangeable, and there are plenty of schools that are not in the Ivy League that are quite arguably better than Cornell.
+1
It’s not a real thing. “Ivy League” is just a sports conference. “Public Ivy” is a term manufactured by parents to make themselves feel better about their choices.
Incorrect. It is a real thing. Term has been in use for 35 years. College counselors use it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Ivy
Yep, a real term. As for what it means, not much. Unless you consider UVM a peer institution with Berkeley or UVA.
Anonymous
08/14/2019 00:17
Subject: Is "Public Ivy" really a thing?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It’s not really a thing. But at the same time, and I say this as a proud Cornell grad, Ivy is a football league.
Cornell is a good school, and it’s great your dd got in, but you should be proud she got into Cornell, not that she got into an Ivy. They’re not interchangeable, and there are plenty of schools that are not in the Ivy League that are quite arguably better than Cornell.
+1
It’s not a real thing. “Ivy League” is just a sports conference. “Public Ivy” is a term manufactured by parents to make themselves feel better about their choices.
Incorrect. It is a real thing. Term has been in use for 35 years. College counselors use it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Ivy
Anonymous
08/13/2019 21:56
Subject: Is "Public Ivy" really a thing?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Hopefully angry grandpa goes to bed soon.
“angry grandpa” is correct if one has a more traditional view of what constitutes academic excellence. Charles Murray makes similar arguments
Work on your punctuation there, gramps.
Didn’t you mean “angry gramps”, not “gramps”
Anonymous
08/13/2019 21:50
Subject: Is "Public Ivy" really a thing?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Hopefully angry grandpa goes to bed soon.
“angry grandpa” is correct if one has a more traditional view of what constitutes academic excellence. Charles Murray makes similar arguments
Work on your punctuation there, gramps.
Stupid answer. Typical.
Anonymous
08/13/2019 21:43
Subject: Is "Public Ivy" really a thing?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Hopefully angry grandpa goes to bed soon.
“angry grandpa” is correct if one has a more traditional view of what constitutes academic excellence. Charles Murray makes similar arguments
Work on your punctuation there, gramps.
Anonymous
08/13/2019 21:34
Subject: Is "Public Ivy" really a thing?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It’s not really a thing. But at the same time, and I say this as a proud Cornell grad, Ivy is a football league.
Cornell is a good school, and it’s great your dd got in, but you should be proud she got into Cornell, not that she got into an Ivy. They’re not interchangeable, and there are plenty of schools that are not in the Ivy League that are quite arguably better than Cornell.
+1
It’s not a real thing. “Ivy League” is just a sports conference. “Public Ivy” is a term manufactured by parents to make themselves feel better about their choices.
Yes, or rather their reduced choices. The only universities or colleges in the US that I'd consider equivalent or better than an Ivy would be MIT and then on the next rung down, places like Berkeley and UCLA, William & Mary, so on and so forth
Stanford is up there. So is Chicago, Duke, Northwestern, etc. TONS of great schools that are all in different sports conferences.
Neither Stanford, Chicago, Duke or Northwestern are public schools. Terrific, all of them, but not public.
The comment was “universities or colleges in the US that are equivalent or better than Ivy”. And those schools, just like MIT, are all up there too.
Anonymous
08/13/2019 21:29
Subject: Re:Is "Public Ivy" really a thing?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
It’s not a real thing. “Ivy League” is just a sports conference.
Aaaaannnndddd... it was only a matter of time before this idiot showed up.
We’ve gone through this before and always come back to....in reality, it’s just a sports conference. People may perceive that it’s more than that but that perception is just based on manufactured hype. Not reality.
YOU have come back to it, because YOU won't listen, even though facts are presented showing that the schools do many academic things in concert which have nothing to do with their games. Such as, they all release admissions decisions the same day. They also meet every year to discuss admissions and share EA/ED information. And many more things.
But much more importantly, is what the phrase "ivy league" MEANS. It has a meaning to most of the world - a collection of some of the most elite colleges in the country.
And that won't change, no matter how many times you whine "the ivy league is just a sports conference".
Common admission dates and scholarship guidelines are things that the various college sports conferences do. To keep things fair in sports recruiting.
The phrase has MEANING different from reality. It’s really just a sports league.
Here’s the handbook. It all ties back to sports.
http://ivyserver.princeton.edu/ivy/downloads/manuals/Ivymanual2011-12%20copy.pdf