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Anonymous wrote:What kind of special leave for those who don't have children get? My children are grown and I want the same privileges you get just for having a baby. You have created a monster and resentment from other employees.

Nothing. Your work will have less work to do replacing employees who leave because of no maternity leave. But at least your children will get maternity/paternity leave. Not everything in life is fair.

No. The other employees will have to cover for you while on leave and then cover when you come back and take your pumping breaks. Believe me, this kind of special treatment creates resentment by other employees. All an employer has to do is keep a job open for you but it doesn't have to be the same job.

What's your point? I work for a company with mostly 50+ employees. I've covered for bunion surgeries, ACL tears, heart attacks, breast implants, you name it. Maternity leave is no different.

Pregnancy is a choice. Bunions are not a choice, nor is a heart attack or cancer and I know people who are not obese and have never smoked who have had heart attacks and lung csncer. Now, I would be happy to give extra paid leave if you have a seriously ill child, parent, or spouse but NOT FOR CHOISING TO HAVE A BSBY.

BINGO. I do HR for a living. I train HR professionals. Any policy that allows for an employee to take significant time without pay because of a choice they have made, not a illness, etc., and others have to fill in while they are gone.....it absolutely does cause resentment in the office. This is standard lingo and training from SHRM too. If you want to be a good employer and let families have time off, then your budget needs to also include raising the pay of the employees that are picking up their slack. I make a point in giving them a lot of credit for picking up the slack and they get a nice bonus. If we didn't do this, we would have major issues in our office.

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Anonymous wrote:What kind of special leave for those who don't have children get? My children are grown and I want the same privileges you get just for having a baby. You have created a monster and resentment from other employees.

Nothing. Your work will have less work to do replacing employees who leave because of no maternity leave. But at least your children will get maternity/paternity leave. Not everything in life is fair.

No. The other employees will have to cover for you while on leave and then cover when you come back and take your pumping breaks. Believe me, this kind of special treatment creates resentment by other employees. All an employer has to do is keep a job open for you but it doesn't have to be the same job.

What's your point? I work for a company with mostly 50+ employees. I've covered for bunion surgeries, ACL tears, heart attacks, breast implants, you name it. Maternity leave is no different.

Pregnancy is a choice. Bunions are not a choice, nor is a heart attack or cancer and I know people who are not obese and have never smoked who have had heart attacks and lung csncer. Now, I would be happy to give extra paid leave if you have a seriously ill child, parent, or spouse but NOT FOR CHOISING TO HAVE A BSBY.

you seem ... unhinged. and like you hate women, a bit?

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Anonymous wrote:What kind of special leave for those who don't have children get? My children are grown and I want the same privileges you get just for having a baby. You have created a monster and resentment from other employees.

I despair for America. This, right here, is atrocious. Just really, really bad and so dark.

Yes, I despair as well because this generation is so incredibly self-absorbed that they can’t see how their lifestyle choices should not be everyone else’s burden to bear.

A.M.E.N!!

Hopefully you're pro-immigration too, because if we cease reproducing entirely, then we will need to import labor.

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Anonymous wrote:What kind of special leave for those who don't have children get? My children are grown and I want the same privileges you get just for having a baby. You have created a monster and resentment from other employees.

Nothing. Your work will have less work to do replacing employees who leave because of no maternity leave. But at least your children will get maternity/paternity leave. Not everything in life is fair.

No. The other employees will have to cover for you while on leave and then cover when you come back and take your pumping breaks. Believe me, this kind of special treatment creates resentment by other employees. All an employer has to do is keep a job open for you but it doesn't have to be the same job.

What's your point? I work for a company with mostly 50+ employees. I've covered for bunion surgeries, ACL tears, heart attacks, breast implants, you name it. Maternity leave is no different.

Pregnancy is a choice. Bunions are not a choice, nor is a heart attack or cancer and I know people who are not obese and have never smoked who have had heart attacks and lung csncer. Now, I would be happy to give extra paid leave if you have a seriously ill child, parent, or spouse but NOT FOR CHOISING TO HAVE A BSBY.

Once again - feel free to find another job with no maternity leave.

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Anonymous wrote:What kind of special leave for those who don't have children get? My children are grown and I want the same privileges you get just for having a baby. You have created a monster and resentment from other employees.

I despair for America. This, right here, is atrocious. Just really, really bad and so dark.

Yes, I despair as well because this generation is so incredibly self-absorbed that they can’t see how their lifestyle choices should not be everyone else’s burden to bear.

A.M.E.N!!

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Anonymous wrote:What kind of special leave for those who don't have children get? My children are grown and I want the same privileges you get just for having a baby. You have created a monster and resentment from other employees.

Nothing. Your work will have less work to do replacing employees who leave because of no maternity leave. But at least your children will get maternity/paternity leave. Not everything in life is fair.

No. The other employees will have to cover for you while on leave and then cover when you come back and take your pumping breaks. Believe me, this kind of special treatment creates resentment by other employees. All an employer has to do is keep a job open for you but it doesn't have to be the same job.

What's your point? I work for a company with mostly 50+ employees. I've covered for bunion surgeries, ACL tears, heart attacks, breast implants, you name it. Maternity leave is no different.

Pregnancy is a choice. Bunions are not a choice, nor is a heart attack or cancer and I know people who are not obese and have never smoked who have had heart attacks and lung csncer. Now, I would be happy to give extra paid leave if you have a seriously ill child, parent, or spouse but NOT FOR CHOISING TO HAVE A BSBY.

We had an employee who had three kids in four years. We changed the policy because of her and the resentment it caused in the office. It's not that we other women were not supportive of her time off, it's that we are a small organization of 50 people, we can't afford to pay someone their full pay and then hire a temp to fill in for 3 months. We were all so sick of doing her work, on top of our already loaded portfolios. I have kids at home who suffered because I could never get out of the office until 6:00 - 7:00 because I was doing two jobs with no benefit. So, yeah, if you are going to have a policy that allows an employee to take effectively take a year off without pay, you better find a way to compensate the employees that are picking up her slack. She no longer works with us, not because she was fired, but because she lost all respect from her fellow women colleagues.

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Anonymous wrote:3 to 4 months is the minimum it takes to train a new person. If a woman leaves because she is having a baby, the company is in an even bigger bind due to productivity loss and recruiting costs. All of those screaming how your peers would resent you for taking leave, just aren't very bright.

Wrong again, but whatever supports your self-serving narrative, right? I'm sure the majority of coworkers don't mind covering for a peer's maternity leave for a month or two, but three months of covering someone else's workload completely is pushing it. At least with a new hire they'd be doing SOMETHING. With OP's policy she's advocating for double that time--so 6 months--where others are covering for someone else. Or OP suggest they come back and spend 3 months half-assing and working part-time while pulling a full-time salary. And that's all assuming your peer is only having one kid! Rinse and repeat for every other kid. Nobody loves their coworkers that much.

Oh please cite the sources that say I'm wrong. Your selfish attitude is just not supported by facts.

Anonymous wrote:3 to 4 months is the minimum it takes to train a new person. If a woman leaves because she is having a baby, the company is in an even bigger bind due to productivity loss and recruiting costs. All of those screaming how your peers would resent you for taking leave, just aren't very bright.

Wrong again, but whatever supports your self-serving narrative, right? I'm sure the majority of coworkers don't mind covering for a peer's maternity leave for a month or two, but three months of covering someone else's workload completely is pushing it. At least with a new hire they'd be doing SOMETHING. With OP's policy she's advocating for double that time--so 6 months--where others are covering for someone else. Or OP suggest they come back and spend 3 months half-assing and working part-time while pulling a full-time salary. And that's all assuming your peer is only having one kid! Rinse and repeat for every other kid. Nobody loves their coworkers that much.

Anonymous wrote:3 to 4 months is the minimum it takes to train a new person. If a woman leaves because she is having a baby, the company is in an even bigger bind due to productivity loss and recruiting costs. All of those screaming how your peers would resent you for taking leave, just aren't very bright.

Exactly. And giving parents enough time to adjust to parenting & recover from infant-phase is the best way to get them back up to being productive in the office. In retrospect, I would have been a much more productive employee if I had gone PT for a while after returning, or had a longer maternity leave, instead of white-knuckling it completely sleep deprived and overwhelmed.

3 to 4 months is the minimum it takes to train a new person. If a woman leaves because she is having a baby, the company is in an even bigger bind due to productivity loss and recruiting costs. All of those screaming how your peers would resent you for taking leave, just aren't very bright.

Anonymous wrote:Gender neutral parental leave sounds like you get the same amount of leave regardless if the baby is a boy or a girl

No it doesn’t.

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Anonymous wrote:What kind of special leave for those who don't have children get? My children are grown and I want the same privileges you get just for having a baby. You have created a monster and resentment from other employees.

Nothing. Your work will have less work to do replacing employees who leave because of no maternity leave. But at least your children will get maternity/paternity leave. Not everything in life is fair.

No. The other employees will have to cover for you while on leave and then cover when you come back and take your pumping breaks. Believe me, this kind of special treatment creates resentment by other employees. All an employer has to do is keep a job open for you but it doesn't have to be the same job.

Really? In my workplace, we’re all excited for each other when there are new babies.

Anonymous wrote:It is one way. Good job, op.

Now just make sure diverse people actually get a seat at the table. Even if they aren’t ready to take an active role, get them in the room so they know what positions above them entail

+1

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Anonymous wrote:What kind of special leave for those who don't have children get? My children are grown and I want the same privileges you get just for having a baby. You have created a monster and resentment from other employees.

I despair for America. This, right here, is atrocious. Just really, really bad and so dark.

Yes, I despair as well because this generation is so incredibly self-absorbed that they can’t see how their lifestyle choices should not be everyone else’s burden to bear.

Again, feel free to quit and find a job with no sick leave/maternity leave. It's a free market, baby!