What I have definitely learned from this threadis SSPX is in no way schismatic

BTW, Archbishop Marcel Lefebre( founder of the SSPX) worked for years in Africa and lost his father in a Nazi concentration camp

Anonymous wrote:For the SSPX poster:

Do you acknowledge that Jorge Bergoglio/Francis is the Roman Pontiff, the Pope, the successor to St. Peter, the Vicar of Christ on earth?

Are you familiar with the tradition, expressed in CIC 333 sec. 3 that "no appeal or recourse is permitted against a sentence or decree of the Roman Pontiff," and do you accept that law as binding?

Are you familiar with the tradition, expressed in CIC 1404, that "the First See [the Pope] is judged by no one," and do you accept that law as binding?

Assuming the responses to the foregoing are in the affirmative, whence do you purport to derive standing or authority to question any act of the Roman Pontiff, including but not limited to the declaration of sanctity of Pope John Paul II?

1. Francis is the Pope
2. I am familiar with this and this is true. But it’s also true that the Church is indefectible and cant contradict itself. As Fr. Gleize points out, this is the dilemma we are in
3. The Pope can not be judged by men as such, but we can not follow him if he teaches error. Vatican 1 is very clear in stating that the Pope can not teach new doctrine

These things have to be read in the light of the entire Tradition. Vatican 1 does not teach that a Pope can do whatever he wants and there are theologians who say that canonizations do not fall under infallibility.

Put the SSPX to the side for a moment. Think about this. Fr. Aidan Nichols O. P( a mainstream Catholic theologian at Oxford) was one of the main authors of a recent letter accusing Francis of heresy. If “the Pope is to be judged by no one” meant what you think it means, Fr. Nichols wouldn’t dare do what he did. You do not know Catholic Tradition better than he does

For the SSPX poster:

Do you acknowledge that Jorge Bergoglio/Francis is the Roman Pontiff, the Pope, the successor to St. Peter, the Vicar of Christ on earth?

Are you familiar with the tradition, expressed in CIC 333 sec. 3 that "no appeal or recourse is permitted against a sentence or decree of the Roman Pontiff," and do you accept that law as binding?

Are you familiar with the tradition, expressed in CIC 1404, that "the First See [the Pope] is judged by no one," and do you accept that law as binding?

Assuming the responses to the foregoing are in the affirmative, whence do you purport to derive standing or authority to question any act of the Roman Pontiff, including but not limited to the declaration of sanctity of Pope John Paul II?

Here’s a quote from Bp. Bernard Fellay( SSPX Bishop)

“When Pope Francis was elected, I thought: Now comes the excommunication. But it was the opposite: Cardinal Müller wanted to obtain our excommunication, and Pope Francis refused. He told me personally: “I will not condemn you!””

Pope Francis is more loving than DCUM Catholics

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Anonymous wrote:^^crazycakes.

yes, I think it's fine to reject the Grand Inquisitor.

He is a saint

I think you should start your own religion. Which SSPX basically is, so all is well.

Pope Francis disagrees with you so shut u

Well, I don't think the SSPX nut who thinks he has logically disproven the canonization of John Paul II because that would mean rejecting the Grand Inquisitor is really embracing Catholicism, so ...

“Fr. Jean-Michel Gleize, SSPX, was born in 1966 in Montauban (Southern France). He graduated from the prestigious National Archivist School “École nationale des chartes” in Paris. After his priestly ordination in 1996 he was appointed professor in St. Pius X Seminary in Écône (Switzerland), where he teaches apologetics, ecclesiology and esthetics. He has translated and commented on the theological treatises of cardinals Cajetan, Franzelin and Billot. He is also a regular contributor to the monthly theological review Courrier de Rome. Fr. Gleize took part in the theological discussions with Vatican theologians as an official representative of the Society of St. Pius X (2009–2012). He expressed the scope of these in the book “Disputed questions about the Second Vatican ”

Hardly a nut

look, if any single prong of your argument depends on rehabilitating the Grand Inquisitor, you're a nut. And an anti-semite (but we know that).

Why don't you guys just start your own thing? I guess it's because they are so freakin' in love with the heirarchy that they can't stand to leave it.

The Inquisition was good and necessary. We don’t start our own thing because we’re Catholic. James Martin and Cuomo aren’t

lol. I declare you not Catholic - decisively so! Why don't you just accept that you're basically cosplaying some bizarre version of the religion, and accept the schism? You can have your own pope, your own doctrine, your own hierarchy!

also, tempted to flag you for anti-semitism, but I'm not going to do it, so people can just see what nuts you are for themselves.

lol, I declare you a theological numbskull- decisively so! Why don’t you accept the fact that you’ve ignored Catholic Tradition on these questions. You believe the Church can contradict itself. You are the non-Catholic

If you and your fellow SSPX weirdos believe that you are the sole arbiters of whether the Catholic church has contradicted itself based on some string of bizarre logical proofs about the Grand Inquisitor, and not the actual church theologians - then yeah, sounds like you're the heretics in the room. Not me.

As much as you'd like, you can't excommunicate me. You guys on the other hand have gotten yourselves excommunicated.

Lol, the SSPX is not excommunicated. Pope Benedict lifted those years ago. I am not excommunicating you but you will excommunicate yourself if you embrace heresy. I never said SSPX is the only Catholic group. I said those who believe that the Church can contradict itself are not Catholic. What theologians have you actually read? Do you know what indefectibility means?

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Anonymous wrote:^^crazycakes.

yes, I think it's fine to reject the Grand Inquisitor.

He is a saint

I think you should start your own religion. Which SSPX basically is, so all is well.

Pope Francis disagrees with you so shut u

Well, I don't think the SSPX nut who thinks he has logically disproven the canonization of John Paul II because that would mean rejecting the Grand Inquisitor is really embracing Catholicism, so ...

“Fr. Jean-Michel Gleize, SSPX, was born in 1966 in Montauban (Southern France). He graduated from the prestigious National Archivist School “École nationale des chartes” in Paris. After his priestly ordination in 1996 he was appointed professor in St. Pius X Seminary in Écône (Switzerland), where he teaches apologetics, ecclesiology and esthetics. He has translated and commented on the theological treatises of cardinals Cajetan, Franzelin and Billot. He is also a regular contributor to the monthly theological review Courrier de Rome. Fr. Gleize took part in the theological discussions with Vatican theologians as an official representative of the Society of St. Pius X (2009–2012). He expressed the scope of these in the book “Disputed questions about the Second Vatican ”

Hardly a nut

look, if any single prong of your argument depends on rehabilitating the Grand Inquisitor, you're a nut. And an anti-semite (but we know that).

Why don't you guys just start your own thing? I guess it's because they are so freakin' in love with the heirarchy that they can't stand to leave it.

The Inquisition was good and necessary. We don’t start our own thing because we’re Catholic. James Martin and Cuomo aren’t

lol. I declare you not Catholic - decisively so! Why don't you just accept that you're basically cosplaying some bizarre version of the religion, and accept the schism? You can have your own pope, your own doctrine, your own hierarchy!

also, tempted to flag you for anti-semitism, but I'm not going to do it, so people can just see what nuts you are for themselves.

lol, I declare you a theological numbskull- decisively so! Why don’t you accept the fact that you’ve ignored Catholic Tradition on these questions. You believe the Church can contradict itself. You are the non-Catholic

If you and your fellow SSPX weirdos believe that you are the sole arbiters of whether the Catholic church has contradicted itself based on some string of bizarre logical proofs about the Grand Inquisitor, and not the actual church theologians - then yeah, sounds like you're the heretics in the room. Not me.

As much as you'd like, you can't excommunicate me. You guys on the other hand have gotten yourselves excommunicated.

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Anonymous wrote:^^crazycakes.

yes, I think it's fine to reject the Grand Inquisitor.

He is a saint

I think you should start your own religion. Which SSPX basically is, so all is well.

Pope Francis disagrees with you so shut u

Well, I don't think the SSPX nut who thinks he has logically disproven the canonization of John Paul II because that would mean rejecting the Grand Inquisitor is really embracing Catholicism, so ...

“Fr. Jean-Michel Gleize, SSPX, was born in 1966 in Montauban (Southern France). He graduated from the prestigious National Archivist School “École nationale des chartes” in Paris. After his priestly ordination in 1996 he was appointed professor in St. Pius X Seminary in Écône (Switzerland), where he teaches apologetics, ecclesiology and esthetics. He has translated and commented on the theological treatises of cardinals Cajetan, Franzelin and Billot. He is also a regular contributor to the monthly theological review Courrier de Rome. Fr. Gleize took part in the theological discussions with Vatican theologians as an official representative of the Society of St. Pius X (2009–2012). He expressed the scope of these in the book “Disputed questions about the Second Vatican ”

Hardly a nut

look, if any single prong of your argument depends on rehabilitating the Grand Inquisitor, you're a nut. And an anti-semite (but we know that).

Why don't you guys just start your own thing? I guess it's because they are so freakin' in love with the heirarchy that they can't stand to leave it.

The Inquisition was good and necessary. We don’t start our own thing because we’re Catholic. James Martin and Cuomo aren’t

lol. I declare you not Catholic - decisively so! Why don't you just accept that you're basically cosplaying some bizarre version of the religion, and accept the schism? You can have your own pope, your own doctrine, your own hierarchy!

also, tempted to flag you for anti-semitism, but I'm not going to do it, so people can just see what nuts you are for themselves.

lol, I declare you a theological numbskull- decisively so! Why don’t you accept the fact that you’ve ignored Catholic Tradition on these questions. You believe the Church can contradict itself. You are the non-Catholic

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Anonymous wrote:^^crazycakes.

yes, I think it's fine to reject the Grand Inquisitor.

He is a saint

I think you should start your own religion. Which SSPX basically is, so all is well.

Pope Francis disagrees with you so shut u

Well, I don't think the SSPX nut who thinks he has logically disproven the canonization of John Paul II because that would mean rejecting the Grand Inquisitor is really embracing Catholicism, so ...

“Fr. Jean-Michel Gleize, SSPX, was born in 1966 in Montauban (Southern France). He graduated from the prestigious National Archivist School “École nationale des chartes” in Paris. After his priestly ordination in 1996 he was appointed professor in St. Pius X Seminary in Écône (Switzerland), where he teaches apologetics, ecclesiology and esthetics. He has translated and commented on the theological treatises of cardinals Cajetan, Franzelin and Billot. He is also a regular contributor to the monthly theological review Courrier de Rome. Fr. Gleize took part in the theological discussions with Vatican theologians as an official representative of the Society of St. Pius X (2009–2012). He expressed the scope of these in the book “Disputed questions about the Second Vatican ”

Hardly a nut

look, if any single prong of your argument depends on rehabilitating the Grand Inquisitor, you're a nut. And an anti-semite (but we know that).

Why don't you guys just start your own thing? I guess it's because they are so freakin' in love with the heirarchy that they can't stand to leave it.

The Inquisition was good and necessary. We don’t start our own thing because we’re Catholic. James Martin and Cuomo aren’t

lol. I declare you not Catholic - decisively so! Why don't you just accept that you're basically cosplaying some bizarre version of the religion, and accept the schism? You can have your own pope, your own doctrine, your own hierarchy!

also, tempted to flag you for anti-semitism, but I'm not going to do it, so people can just see what nuts you are for themselves.

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Anonymous wrote:^^crazycakes.

yes, I think it's fine to reject the Grand Inquisitor.

He is a saint

I think you should start your own religion. Which SSPX basically is, so all is well.

Pope Francis disagrees with you so shut u

Well, I don't think the SSPX nut who thinks he has logically disproven the canonization of John Paul II because that would mean rejecting the Grand Inquisitor is really embracing Catholicism, so ...

“Fr. Jean-Michel Gleize, SSPX, was born in 1966 in Montauban (Southern France). He graduated from the prestigious National Archivist School “École nationale des chartes” in Paris. After his priestly ordination in 1996 he was appointed professor in St. Pius X Seminary in Écône (Switzerland), where he teaches apologetics, ecclesiology and esthetics. He has translated and commented on the theological treatises of cardinals Cajetan, Franzelin and Billot. He is also a regular contributor to the monthly theological review Courrier de Rome. Fr. Gleize took part in the theological discussions with Vatican theologians as an official representative of the Society of St. Pius X (2009–2012). He expressed the scope of these in the book “Disputed questions about the Second Vatican ”

Hardly a nut

look, if any single prong of your argument depends on rehabilitating the Grand Inquisitor, you're a nut. And an anti-semite (but we know that).

Why don't you guys just start your own thing? I guess it's because they are so freakin' in love with the heirarchy that they can't stand to leave it.

The Inquisition was good and necessary. We don’t start our own thing because we’re Catholic. James Martin and Cuomo aren’t

lol. I declare you not Catholic - decisively so! Why don't you just accept that you're basically cosplaying some bizarre version of the religion, and accept the schism? You can have your own pope, your own doctrine, your own hierarchy!

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Anonymous wrote:so gross

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversies_surrounding_the_Society_of_Saint_Pius_X

Agreed

“February 2008 Saint Mary's Academy, a school in Kansas affiliated with the SSPX, refused to allow a woman referee to officiate at a high-school basketball game in which St. Mary's was participating, reportedly on the grounds that it was not appropriate for a woman to be in a position of authority over male students.”

Clearly Catholic women are just a uterus to this group. There are nuns coaching boys’ sports at some REAL Catholic institutions.

Nothing wrong with that at all

Great example of an extremist point of view.

St. Mary’s Academy is a private school. They can do what they want

Of course they can, but it is still extremist to believe that it is “not appropriate for a woman to be in a position of authority over male students.” That is an extreme belief in a civilized society today.

No it’s not. That’s what St. Paul said

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Anonymous wrote:^^crazycakes.

yes, I think it's fine to reject the Grand Inquisitor.

He is a saint

I think you should start your own religion. Which SSPX basically is, so all is well.

Pope Francis disagrees with you so shut u

Well, I don't think the SSPX nut who thinks he has logically disproven the canonization of John Paul II because that would mean rejecting the Grand Inquisitor is really embracing Catholicism, so ...

“Fr. Jean-Michel Gleize, SSPX, was born in 1966 in Montauban (Southern France). He graduated from the prestigious National Archivist School “École nationale des chartes” in Paris. After his priestly ordination in 1996 he was appointed professor in St. Pius X Seminary in Écône (Switzerland), where he teaches apologetics, ecclesiology and esthetics. He has translated and commented on the theological treatises of cardinals Cajetan, Franzelin and Billot. He is also a regular contributor to the monthly theological review Courrier de Rome. Fr. Gleize took part in the theological discussions with Vatican theologians as an official representative of the Society of St. Pius X (2009–2012). He expressed the scope of these in the book “Disputed questions about the Second Vatican ”

Hardly a nut

look, if any single prong of your argument depends on rehabilitating the Grand Inquisitor, you're a nut. And an anti-semite (but we know that).

Why don't you guys just start your own thing? I guess it's because they are so freakin' in love with the heirarchy that they can't stand to leave it.

The Inquisition was good and necessary. We don’t start our own thing because we’re Catholic. James Martin and Cuomo aren’t

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversies_surrounding_the_Society_of_Saint_Pius_X

Agreed

“February 2008 Saint Mary's Academy, a school in Kansas affiliated with the SSPX, refused to allow a woman referee to officiate at a high-school basketball game in which St. Mary's was participating, reportedly on the grounds that it was not appropriate for a woman to be in a position of authority over male students.”

Clearly Catholic women are just a uterus to this group. There are nuns coaching boys’ sports at some REAL Catholic institutions.

Nothing wrong with that at all

Great example of an extremist point of view.

St. Mary’s Academy is a private school. They can do what they want

Of course they can, but it is still extremist to believe that it is “not appropriate for a woman to be in a position of authority over male students.” That is an extreme belief in a civilized society today.

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Anonymous wrote:so gross

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversies_surrounding_the_Society_of_Saint_Pius_X

Agreed

“February 2008 Saint Mary's Academy, a school in Kansas affiliated with the SSPX, refused to allow a woman referee to officiate at a high-school basketball game in which St. Mary's was participating, reportedly on the grounds that it was not appropriate for a woman to be in a position of authority over male students.”

Clearly Catholic women are just a uterus to this group. There are nuns coaching boys’ sports at some REAL Catholic institutions.

Nothing wrong with that at all

Great example of an extremist point of view.

St. Mary’s Academy is a private school. They can do what they want

Maybe, but they are still nuts (and weirdos).

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Anonymous wrote:^^crazycakes.

yes, I think it's fine to reject the Grand Inquisitor.

He is a saint

I think you should start your own religion. Which SSPX basically is, so all is well.

Pope Francis disagrees with you so shut u

Well, I don't think the SSPX nut who thinks he has logically disproven the canonization of John Paul II because that would mean rejecting the Grand Inquisitor is really embracing Catholicism, so ...

“Fr. Jean-Michel Gleize, SSPX, was born in 1966 in Montauban (Southern France). He graduated from the prestigious National Archivist School “École nationale des chartes” in Paris. After his priestly ordination in 1996 he was appointed professor in St. Pius X Seminary in Écône (Switzerland), where he teaches apologetics, ecclesiology and esthetics. He has translated and commented on the theological treatises of cardinals Cajetan, Franzelin and Billot. He is also a regular contributor to the monthly theological review Courrier de Rome. Fr. Gleize took part in the theological discussions with Vatican theologians as an official representative of the Society of St. Pius X (2009–2012). He expressed the scope of these in the book “Disputed questions about the Second Vatican ”

Hardly a nut

look, if any single prong of your argument depends on rehabilitating the Grand Inquisitor, you're a nut. And an anti-semite (but we know that).

Why don't you guys just start your own thing? I guess it's because they are so freakin' in love with the heirarchy that they can't stand to leave it.