Anonymous
Post 06/18/2019 08:52     Subject: Re:Guest player etiquette
In softball there are now very specific rules about guesting such that you can't play at a lower age or a lower classification than rostered - due to these types of things happening.
Anonymous
Post 06/18/2019 08:44     Subject: Guest player etiquette
OP is full of it, you weren't on the loosing team. How the hell would know so much about where the guest players came from or even if they were guest. Sounds like your kid got bumped by the guest players and now you are just gripping.
Anonymous
Post 06/18/2019 08:34     Subject: Guest player etiquette
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

If you want balanced out teams then go to rec soccer. But to whine about kids being challenged against a superior opponent is laughable.


So why are there divisions and flights and a and b and c teams, etc.? Why even have teams? Why have DA and ECNL? Why even have tryouts and rosters? Just let the best players and only the best players play every game in every league and every tournament. Screw the less talented players. They suck anyhow according to you, right?


You seem to think sports are designed for fairness


No, but divisions and team levels are designed exactly for that, else they wouldn’t exist. Not sure what you think fair means, but it does not mean equal. It means relatively at the same level of competition within a range. Yes, it is good to challenge kids. Not sure stacking the opponent is the best way to accomplish that goal, but agree to disagree.
Anonymous
Post 06/18/2019 08:28     Subject: Guest player etiquette
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

If you want balanced out teams then go to rec soccer. But to whine about kids being challenged against a superior opponent is laughable.


So why are there divisions and flights and a and b and c teams, etc.? Why even have teams? Why have DA and ECNL? Why even have tryouts and rosters? Just let the best players and only the best players play every game in every league and every tournament. Screw the less talented players. They suck anyhow according to you, right?


The point went way over your head. It’s a one off game. Your players do get a benefit of having the challenge of playing against higher caliber individuals, whether the result upsets you or not. Our club is not one of the big ones by any stretch of the imagination, and pretty much every single game opponents bring guest players, usually from their “higher ranked/league teams” and guess what? Adversity builds better players, regardless of level. You gotta adjust, maybe you lose but maybe it makes your own players step up their game. As for the team using them and why they play so much, having a player that can provide a solid base (ie. CDM) can allow for the others to play with more freedom and have some success. Ultimately you are getting bent out of shape over youth soccer. Your kid will live and there will be another play, another game, another season. If this is such a huge deal to you then take a step back, take it as a compliment or something. They needed guests to win a game for them; don’t be petty and roll with the punches. That’s life and that’s futbol.


Not over my head at all. Just a differing point of view. Yes, sports are about winning and losing and adversity. But, they are also about fair play and teaching in a positive manner, despite your cited life lesson about life not being fair and living with self-centered coaches. I believe in some guest playing allowed, but not stacking a team and wholesale displacement of the normal players from their normal playing time. Just my philosophy.
Anonymous
Post 06/18/2019 08:26     Subject: Guest player etiquette
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

If you want balanced out teams then go to rec soccer. But to whine about kids being challenged against a superior opponent is laughable.


So why are there divisions and flights and a and b and c teams, etc.? Why even have teams? Why have DA and ECNL? Why even have tryouts and rosters? Just let the best players and only the best players play every game in every league and every tournament. Screw the less talented players. They suck anyhow according to you, right?


At U10 - U12 there really aren’t divisions. Most leagues don’t even post scores until U12. Pro/Rel divisions are generally not formed until the spring of U12. League and tourney placement at the young ages are comprised of club reputation/team hierarchy within the club and the coaches request. So there can be a simple wide disparity in teams at the younger ages because there is relatively little history to properly base divisions on. There are LOTS of blowouts at these ages for a number of reasons. And there is little reason to ever get either upset or excited about lopsided results. For all you know, those guest players are being dropped down to that team next season. Or the coach wanted his kids to play with some players who can receive and send a proper pass so that they can see what successful combinations in a game look like. Either way it is Ulittle soccer and there are lots of ways for coaches to develop ALL the players and some of those methods may come at your teams expense.
Anonymous
Post 06/17/2019 23:47     Subject: Guest player etiquette
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

If you want balanced out teams then go to rec soccer. But to whine about kids being challenged against a superior opponent is laughable.


So why are there divisions and flights and a and b and c teams, etc.? Why even have teams? Why have DA and ECNL? Why even have tryouts and rosters? Just let the best players and only the best players play every game in every league and every tournament. Screw the less talented players. They suck anyhow according to you, right?


The point went way over your head. It’s a one off game. Your players do get a benefit of having the challenge of playing against higher caliber individuals, whether the result upsets you or not. Our club is not one of the big ones by any stretch of the imagination, and pretty much every single game opponents bring guest players, usually from their “higher ranked/league teams” and guess what? Adversity builds better players, regardless of level. You gotta adjust, maybe you lose but maybe it makes your own players step up their game. As for the team using them and why they play so much, having a player that can provide a solid base (ie. CDM) can allow for the others to play with more freedom and have some success. Ultimately you are getting bent out of shape over youth soccer. Your kid will live and there will be another play, another game, another season. If this is such a huge deal to you then take a step back, take it as a compliment or something. They needed guests to win a game for them; don’t be petty and roll with the punches. That’s life and that’s futbol.
Anonymous
Post 06/17/2019 23:21     Subject: Guest player etiquette
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

If you want balanced out teams then go to rec soccer. But to whine about kids being challenged against a superior opponent is laughable.


So why are there divisions and flights and a and b and c teams, etc.? Why even have teams? Why have DA and ECNL? Why even have tryouts and rosters? Just let the best players and only the best players play every game in every league and every tournament. Screw the less talented players. They suck anyhow according to you, right?


You seem to think sports are designed for fairness
Anonymous
Post 06/17/2019 23:17     Subject: Guest player etiquette
Anonymous wrote:

If you want balanced out teams then go to rec soccer. But to whine about kids being challenged against a superior opponent is laughable.


So why are there divisions and flights and a and b and c teams, etc.? Why even have teams? Why have DA and ECNL? Why even have tryouts and rosters? Just let the best players and only the best players play every game in every league and every tournament. Screw the less talented players. They suck anyhow according to you, right?
Anonymous
Post 06/17/2019 18:17     Subject: Guest player etiquette
Anonymous wrote:OP, ignore the troll you have a valid point. If a league has been broken into divisions or a tournament into brackets based on competitive level, clearly that has been done for a reason. Bringing down multiple players from a higher level and playing them extensively is not the decent, sporting thing to do. But as you probably are seeing and the troll is reinforcing, there is a lot of indecency in youth sports.


No such rule exists and would be so vague as to be unenforceable.

other posters pointed out the fact the possibility that the guests players may not be starters on their own team and occasional guest playing like this is the clubs way of developing their players. It is not the other clubs responsibility to take their opponents perceived skill level into consideration when they are developing their own players. To bad the complaining Dad's team lost but it is just a game. The fact that the kids were able to play against quality players that they otherwise would not have played against should be a good lesson overall.

If you want balanced out teams then go to rec soccer. But to whine about kids being challenged against a superior opponent is laughable.
Anonymous
Post 06/17/2019 18:11     Subject: Re:Guest player etiquette
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Bringing in 2 guest players when there is only one sub is ok - what if one player didn't show up or got hurt. However, guest players in this situation should be used as subs, not starters. Parents of players on the team should have a problem with guests getting more playing time than the regular players, especially at U-littles unless the players lost playing for a reason communicated by coach (not showing up at practice, goofing off, etc.).


And how do you expect the parents of the 2 guest players to feel about that?

They are giving up their time - possibly other playing/training opportunities - to help out a lower team in their club. It's also probable these kids were taken off the bottom end of the top team's roster - meaning they usually are subs. So now they're supposed to guest for the bottom team and still sit on the bench, even though they are the two best players there? They may be better, but they are kids too right? Shouldn't they be treated fairly?

I agree they shouldn't have played the whole game, but they absolutely should have started and played the majority of the game - assuming their attitude, effort and performance merited it. The teaching point for those players in a game like that should be something like, "The best players are the ones who can make their teammates around them better." As long as they are doing that, showing good positive leadership, and not playing selfishly, they should be on the field.


Please. My kid has been on a red team for four years. Whenever a player’s parents want to see them score a clutch of goals (“to regain confidence” or “rediscover their love of the game” they send their kid to guest play on a lower team and get a brace or a hat trick. It’s not the only reason this happens but it does happen. In 99% of the cases, the parent feels no imposition whatsoever. (Obviously not scientific, just a SWAG).
Anonymous
Post 06/17/2019 17:52     Subject: Guest player etiquette
OP, ignore the troll you have a valid point. If a league has been broken into divisions or a tournament into brackets based on competitive level, clearly that has been done for a reason. Bringing down multiple players from a higher level and playing them extensively is not the decent, sporting thing to do. But as you probably are seeing and the troll is reinforcing, there is a lot of indecency in youth sports.
Anonymous
Post 06/17/2019 17:02     Subject: Re:Guest player etiquette
Anonymous wrote:
OP, if you are complaining about guest players on the opposing team you need to STFU right now about it.


Super classy. I'll be sure to take the advice of a refined individual such as yourself, thanks a lot.


Don't worry about the other teams roster. It is that simple. Sorry you lost but the only lesson your kid needs to learn is to get better. Beyond ridiculous getting angry over guest players on another team. You're a joke.
Anonymous
Post 06/17/2019 16:20     Subject: Re:Guest player etiquette
OP, if you are complaining about guest players on the opposing team you need to STFU right now about it.


Super classy. I'll be sure to take the advice of a refined individual such as yourself, thanks a lot.
Anonymous
Post 06/17/2019 16:12     Subject: Re:Guest player etiquette
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Bringing in 2 guest players when there is only one sub is ok - what if one player didn't show up or got hurt. However, guest players in this situation should be used as subs, not starters. Parents of players on the team should have a problem with guests getting more playing time than the regular players, especially at U-littles unless the players lost playing for a reason communicated by coach (not showing up at practice, goofing off, etc.).


And how do you expect the parents of the 2 guest players to feel about that?

They are giving up their time - possibly other playing/training opportunities - to help out a lower team in their club. It's also probable these kids were taken off the bottom end of the top team's roster - meaning they usually are subs. So now they're supposed to guest for the bottom team and still sit on the bench, even though they are the two best players there? They may be better, but they are kids too right? Shouldn't they be treated fairly?

I agree they shouldn't have played the whole game, but they absolutely should have started and played the majority of the game - assuming their attitude, effort and performance merited it. The teaching point for those players in a game like that should be something like, "The best players are the ones who can make their teammates around them better." As long as they are doing that, showing good positive leadership, and not playing selfishly, they should be on the field.


OP, if you are complaining about guest players on the opposing team you need to STFU right now about it. The only reason this has been entertained is because it was presumed the guests were on your team and your players sat, which is still fine if they did sit.
Anonymous
Post 06/17/2019 16:11     Subject: Guest player etiquette
I felt bad at first for OP because you’re new to soccer. Now, you’re just a sore loser. Suck it up butter cup. Why don’t you challenge your team and beat them at the next match.