Anonymous wrote:I'd ask those who want to keep talking about the borders to save it for another thread. Honestly, we know why you like Trump. We know your thing about the borders. We know you love the wall and don't much care about anything else vis-a-vis immigration.

This thread is about why Trump will lose, not why you keep supporting Trump.

Oh, please. Anytime there's a thread about something Trump did right, or deserves credit for, you liberals pile on with your hateful remarks. We'll talk about what we want, thanks.

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The 2005-2008 conversations democrats pushed about needing to strengthen the FISA laws and courts to protect people turned out to be exactly what they abused under the Obama administration. Remember bugging the Associated Press? Bugging opposition candidates. It's absolutely disgusting.

What bugging of opposition candidates took place? Or are you talking about Trump operatives who were swept up because they were conspiring with Russians? I mean, there were "GOP" appointed judges who three times renewed the FISA warrants. That doesn't happen for no good reason. Maybe you don't understand what is actually required to get a FISA warrant, for if you did, you never would have typed this comment.

Who are these GOP appointed judges who renewed these warrants based on an unsourced / poorly sourced "dossier" that was quite literally generated by Russia? Give us their names?

This assertion was made. Can we get names for these judges?

Anonymous wrote:Why haven't dems do something about the borders?

Because illegal immigration is where their votes and power comes from (and felons).

Because the dems control one part of a three part government. They can pass all of the legislation they want, but the GOP won't take it up in the senate nor executive. The few times they tied to negotiate and thought there w a deal, Stephen Miller unraveled it.

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Which Democrat candidate is fighting to secure our border?

Which R is fighting to secure our border? Lol. We still have thousands of people crossing illegally! Nothing Trump is doing is working. Just causing massive PR problems for the US while kids die in custody. And R’s shot down e-verify because it would be bad for all the people in the US who hire illegal labor.

Kids dying in custody is not the fault of the US. Those kids should never have been dragged on that journey to begin with. They *arrive* sick. Don't you dare blame that on border patrol.

How many kids died in US custody between 2017 and now; and how many died in US custody the previous 15 years?

Anonymous wrote:I'd ask those who want to keep talking about the borders to save it for another thread. Honestly, we know why you like Trump. We know your thing about the borders. We know you love the wall and don't much care about anything else vis-a-vis immigration.

This thread is about why Trump will lose, not why you keep supporting Trump.

It's a fair way for you to capitulate and lose the argument. I understand.

We'll keep this thread to why "Trump will lose".

I'd ask those who want to keep talking about the borders to save it for another thread. Honestly, we know why you like Trump. We know your thing about the borders. We know you love the wall and don't much care about anything else vis-a-vis immigration.

This thread is about why Trump will lose, not why you keep supporting Trump.

Why haven't dems do something about the borders?

Because illegal immigration is where their votes and power comes from (and felons).

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Which Democrat candidate is fighting to secure our border?

Which R is fighting to secure our border? Lol. We still have thousands of people crossing illegally! Nothing Trump is doing is working. Just causing massive PR problems for the US while kids die in custody. And R’s shot down e-verify because it would be bad for all the people in the US who hire illegal labor.

Kids dying in custody is not the fault of the US. Those kids should never have been dragged on that journey to begin with. They *arrive* sick. Don't you dare blame that on border patrol.

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Which Democrat candidate is fighting to secure our border?

Which R is fighting to secure our border? Lol. We still have thousands of people crossing illegally! Nothing Trump is doing is working. Just causing massive PR problems for the US while kids die in custody. And R’s shot down e-verify because it would be bad for all the people in the US who hire illegal labor.

When did the R's shoot down e-verify? It's in use, isn't it?

And why didn’t the GOP do something about the border when they had control of all three branches of government? Immigration didn’t seem to matter much to all of you until the Dems won the House. Why is that?

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Anonymous wrote:If the young people all show up to vote, he will lose.

I'm young and I've seen your agenda. The priorities are really screwed up when you get in power and you've lost your minds.



Pushing trasgenderism and people who identify as whatever they want to to game the system. Absolutely ridiculous.

One restroom for all people until it leads to violence.

Reparations. Really?

Constant victimhood and playing one group off another to stay in power. Using ANTIFA and BLM to do it no less.

Dropping pallets of cash on our enemies and buying them off by showing weakness.

Political correctness run amuck. Obama gets the Nobel Peace prize and then turns around and drones everyone and attacks Libya.




I definitely don't want to go back to progressives in power. It's absolutely disgusting and they've shown us they can't be trusted.

The 2005-2008 conversations democrats pushed about needing to strengthen the FISA laws and courts to protect people turned out to be exactly what they abused under the Obama administration. Remember bugging the Associated Press? Bugging opposition candidates. It's absolutely disgusting.

Excellent points.

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Anonymous wrote:He will not lose as long as the economy keeps humming ........... and the Democrats continue to embrace the kooky ideas of their deranged left.

And I am not a Trump supporter ...........

I agree. I hope trump wins.

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Or at the very least, I hope a Republican challenges him for the nomination.

Anonymous wrote:I am looking forward to the political pendulum swinging the other way. We have gone far too conservative and our economy benefits so few. We need change!

Only a faaaar left liberal would think that. The pendulum *did* swing the other way - after eight years of Obama. It righted itself.

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Which Democrat candidate is fighting to secure our border?

Which R is fighting to secure our border? Lol. We still have thousands of people crossing illegally! Nothing Trump is doing is working. Just causing massive PR problems for the US while kids die in custody. And R’s shot down e-verify because it would be bad for all the people in the US who hire illegal labor.

When did the R's shoot down e-verify? It's in use, isn't it?

Anonymous wrote:The voting booths are probably going to be hacked, so who knows. I’m not convinced the recent populist victories around the world aren’t a result.

I was just waiting for someone to say this, and you didn't disappoint. Of course you won't believe that people around the world are fed up with leftist policies and are starting to wake up and vote in the more conservative candidates. Nope, your little echo chamber tells you this isn't possible. Guess what? It is indeed possible and will continue happening. And if Trump does win again in 2020, you're going to have to steel yourselves to act like grownups. Enough with your idiotic tantrums and foot-stomping. Grow up and accept the results, either way.

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Anonymous wrote:Because Trump lovers won't stop whining whining "That's why Trump is going to win again in 2020" - let's give our reasons here for why Trump is going to lose in 2020. (Knock wood a million times.)

- Americans are tired of this clown show. It's exhausting and scary, and the people who thought it would be funny to vote for Trump last time don't think it's so funny anymore

- Because he's an impotent fool with no good ideas

- Because Infrastructure Week is such a joke, and such a wasted opportunity

Because in 2020 the Democrats won't ignore Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin

+1. People don’t talk about this as much as they should, but in 2016, the Clinton campaign had as much bad polling data as the Romney campaign had in 2012. Romney didn’t even have a concession speech prepared because his polling data showed him winning every swing state except one or two. He was blindsided by his loss.

The Clinton campaign polling data showed them winning PA, MI, and WI for sure. Possibly other swing states that she lost too. However, it also showed them LOSING the popular vote. In the last few weeks of the campaign, she spent too much time in either safe D or safe R states trying to run up the PV score, while ignoring those critical swing states, all of which she lost by a very slim margin. And she wouldn’t have even had to take votes from Trump - just turn out the people who voted for Obama in 2012, but who either stayed home or voted 3rd party in 2016. Seriously, I had friends on the ground with the Clinton campaign in PA in 2016 and they were basically ignored by the campaign in safe D areas (cities and inner-ring suburbs) where it’s important to turn out voters.

The D’s won’t make that mistake again. And Trump is quite unpopular in those three states. Combined with the fact that the other states that Clinton won are increasingly out of reach for R’s and I don’t think Trump will be re-elected. The fact that unemployment is low is the only thing keeping him even remotely afloat right now, and yet he’s still underwater on his approval rating.

This is OP - why was Clinton's data so bad? And do you think the Dems will have better data this time?

There’s a lot out there about the failures of the Clinton campaign - most of it came out in the days/weeks right after the election and was quickly forgotten as we moved into the Trump administration. But here’s one article: https://theoutline.com/post/1422/shattered-hillary-clinton-campaign?zd=2&zi=e4jepcc5

“ In a telling anecdote, Bill Clinton warned his wife’s campaign headquarters not to underestimate the right-wing populist uprising behind Brexit last June, but Robby Mook insisted that his data ran counter to anecdotal evidence. Nearly all of Clinton’s strategy was derived from Mook’s analytics, which assumed, based on polling and Obama’s two victories, that the Midwest was a Democratic stronghold and thus did not need to be attended to with on-the-ground campaigning. But the analytics were flawed in several ways. They relied too much on obsolete data, as Mook declined to pay for new polls in the last three weeks before the election. They overestimated the final voter turnout after seeing strong early voting numbers. Most crucially, they overestimated how many Midwestern counties that went for Obama would go for Clinton. While Trump concentrated on states where his pro-manufacturing message resonated most, Clinton attempted to expand her presumed bloc of blue states outward into North Carolina and Arizona, both of which she ended up losing.”

I certainly hope the D candidate this time will have better polling data! I guess there’s no telling, but really, we’ve all learned a hard lesson in 2016 that no states can be taken for granted. Obama had a true 50 state strategy and campaigned hard everywhere, in contrast to Gore and Kerry who leaned too hard on Florida, and Clinton who thought she had it in the bag and was just trying to win the PV.