Anonymous
04/29/2019 15:56
Subject: She Was Excited About E-Scooters in Portland. Then She Broke Her Leg.
Anonymous wrote:What are you even talking about? You can find a “study” that will tell you whatever you want. Throwing some NYTimes blog from 11 years ago isn’t really convincing. But good for you, you did it!
Just calm down, habitual speeder. We all know you're a terrible driver.
Anonymous
04/29/2019 15:56
Subject: She Was Excited About E-Scooters in Portland. Then She Broke Her Leg.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Omg you are going to be so surprised when you learn how bad cars are for health, safety, the environment, and more.
I bet you’ll be super ranty about that because I’m sure you’re not hypocritical at all.
But drivers of cars follow the law (for the most part, you know what I mean) - they stay in their lanes, they don't go the wrong way down a one-way street, they don't park in randomly created spaces that block entry/egress, they stop at lights and stop signs, and the drivers are licensed and have had training before drivers are allowed on the streets.
Almost all drivers speed. Most jurisdictions won't even ticket for speeding until the driver is 10MPH over the limit - but yes, going one mph over the limit is breaking the law. Large numbers of drivers run reds, run stops, make right turns on red without stopping, make illegal U turns, change lanes dangerously, make turns from an improper lane or go straight from a turn only lane. Fail to yield to pedestrians where required, fail to use turn signals. That does not even get into blocking crosswalks or parking in bike lanes.
All this in big fast vehicles that can and regulalry DO kill.
Did you get these “statistics” from your Portland study? “Almost all” “most jurisdictions” “large number of drivers”.
You don't need statistics to know what the PP stated above is true. You only need eyes. I'm mostly a pedestrian and I see drivers making grievous errors every day, all the time.
I am also mostly a pedestrian. Which is precisely why we don't *also* need people making grievous errors on sidewalks and trails every day, all the time, with scooters. It's one place where it should be pretty safe, and where pedestrians shouldn't have to worry about something with a motor rolling up behind them.
Anonymous
04/29/2019 15:55
Subject: She Was Excited About E-Scooters in Portland. Then She Broke Her Leg.
Anonymous wrote:What are you even talking about? You can find a “study” that will tell you whatever you want. Throwing some NYTimes blog from 11 years ago isn’t really convincing. But good for you, you did it!
I see no evidence the percentage of speeders has declined recently, and there are multiple studies confirming the finding.
Anonymous
04/29/2019 15:54
Subject: Re:She Was Excited About E-Scooters in Portland. Then She Broke Her Leg.
https://www.iihs.org/iihs/topics/t/speed/qanda
How many drivers speed?
The majority of drivers exceed posted speed limits on many different kinds of roads, but the problem is greatest on freeways and expressways. National surveys found that on freeways and interstates 48 percent of free-flow traffic in 2007 and 72 percent in 2009 exceeded posted speed limits. 3, 4 Fourteen percent of all vehicles traveling on limited-access highways exceeded posted speed limits by 10 mph or more during 2007. The percentage rose to 20 percent during 2009. On other types of roads, proportions of drivers exceeding speed limits fell slightly in 2009 compared with 2007. Still, 13 percent of vehicles on major arterials and 15 percent on minor arterials and collectors traveled at least 10 mph over posted speed limits during 2009.
In a 2016 national telephone survey conducted by the AAA Foundation for Traffic Safety, nearly half of drivers said they had exceeded the speed limit by 15 mph on a freeway or by 10 mph on a residential street in the past month. 5
How many drivers speed?
The majority of drivers exceed posted speed limits on many different kinds of roads, but the problem is greatest on freeways and expressways. National surveys found that on freeways and interstates 48 percent of free-flow traffic in 2007 and 72 percent in 2009 exceeded posted speed limits. 3, 4 Fourteen percent of all vehicles traveling on limited-access highways exceeded posted speed limits by 10 mph or more during 2007. The percentage rose to 20 percent during 2009. On other types of roads, proportions of drivers exceeding speed limits fell slightly in 2009 compared with 2007. Still, 13 percent of vehicles on major arterials and 15 percent on minor arterials and collectors traveled at least 10 mph over posted speed limits during 2009.
In a 2016 national telephone survey conducted by the AAA Foundation for Traffic Safety, nearly half of drivers said they had exceeded the speed limit by 15 mph on a freeway or by 10 mph on a residential street in the past month. 5
Anonymous
04/29/2019 15:54
Subject: She Was Excited About E-Scooters in Portland. Then She Broke Her Leg.
What are you even talking about? You can find a “study” that will tell you whatever you want. Throwing some NYTimes blog from 11 years ago isn’t really convincing. But good for you, you did it!
Anonymous
04/29/2019 15:51
Subject: She Was Excited About E-Scooters in Portland. Then She Broke Her Leg.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Omg you are going to be so surprised when you learn how bad cars are for health, safety, the environment, and more.
I bet you’ll be super ranty about that because I’m sure you’re not hypocritical at all.
But drivers of cars follow the law (for the most part, you know what I mean) - they stay in their lanes, they don't go the wrong way down a one-way street, they don't park in randomly created spaces that block entry/egress, they stop at lights and stop signs, and the drivers are licensed and have had training before drivers are allowed on the streets.
Almost all drivers speed. Most jurisdictions won't even ticket for speeding until the driver is 10MPH over the limit - but yes, going one mph over the limit is breaking the law. Large numbers of drivers run reds, run stops, make right turns on red without stopping, make illegal U turns, change lanes dangerously, make turns from an improper lane or go straight from a turn only lane. Fail to yield to pedestrians where required, fail to use turn signals. That does not even get into blocking crosswalks or parking in bike lanes.
All this in big fast vehicles that can and regulalry DO kill.
Did you get these “statistics” from your Portland study? “Almost all” “most jurisdictions” “large number of drivers”.
https://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/11/10/no-respect-for-speed-limits/
Dr. Mannering used a series of mathematical equations to calculate the probability of speeding, based on data from a survey of 988 motorists in Tippecanoe County, Ind. The survey findings were consistent with other research that has shown two-thirds of all drivers regularly exceed posted speed limits, and roughly one-third report driving at least 10 m.p.h. faster than most other vehicles.
Anonymous
04/29/2019 15:43
Subject: She Was Excited About E-Scooters in Portland. Then She Broke Her Leg.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Omg you are going to be so surprised when you learn how bad cars are for health, safety, the environment, and more.
I bet you’ll be super ranty about that because I’m sure you’re not hypocritical at all.
But drivers of cars follow the law (for the most part, you know what I mean) - they stay in their lanes, they don't go the wrong way down a one-way street, they don't park in randomly created spaces that block entry/egress, they stop at lights and stop signs, and the drivers are licensed and have had training before drivers are allowed on the streets.
Almost all drivers speed. Most jurisdictions won't even ticket for speeding until the driver is 10MPH over the limit - but yes, going one mph over the limit is breaking the law. Large numbers of drivers run reds, run stops, make right turns on red without stopping, make illegal U turns, change lanes dangerously, make turns from an improper lane or go straight from a turn only lane. Fail to yield to pedestrians where required, fail to use turn signals. That does not even get into blocking crosswalks or parking in bike lanes.
All this in big fast vehicles that can and regulalry DO kill.
Did you get these “statistics” from your Portland study? “Almost all” “most jurisdictions” “large number of drivers”.
You don't need statistics to know what the PP stated above is true. You only need eyes. I'm mostly a pedestrian and I see drivers making grievous errors every day, all the time.
Anonymous
04/29/2019 15:33
Subject: She Was Excited About E-Scooters in Portland. Then She Broke Her Leg.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Omg you are going to be so surprised when you learn how bad cars are for health, safety, the environment, and more.
I bet you’ll be super ranty about that because I’m sure you’re not hypocritical at all.
But drivers of cars follow the law (for the most part, you know what I mean) - they stay in their lanes, they don't go the wrong way down a one-way street, they don't park in randomly created spaces that block entry/egress, they stop at lights and stop signs, and the drivers are licensed and have had training before drivers are allowed on the streets.
Almost all drivers speed. Most jurisdictions won't even ticket for speeding until the driver is 10MPH over the limit - but yes, going one mph over the limit is breaking the law. Large numbers of drivers run reds, run stops, make right turns on red without stopping, make illegal U turns, change lanes dangerously, make turns from an improper lane or go straight from a turn only lane. Fail to yield to pedestrians where required, fail to use turn signals. That does not even get into blocking crosswalks or parking in bike lanes.
All this in big fast vehicles that can and regulalry DO kill.
Did you get these “statistics” from your Portland study? “Almost all” “most jurisdictions” “large number of drivers”.
Anonymous
04/29/2019 15:26
Subject: She Was Excited About E-Scooters in Portland. Then She Broke Her Leg.
Anonymous wrote:Scooters are being used for actual transportation in DC... mostly by Millennials, who still think they're immortal. I've seen a woman with stiletto heels and a suit on a scooter. I've seen another one with yoga pants, flip flops, and a yoga mat on another. I've seen them on sidewalks and weaving in and out of traffic, right next to huge Metrobuses (those Metrobus drivers have very difficult jobs). There needs to be more regulation. They need to have license plates and everyone wearing them should be required to wear a helmet.
*using
Anonymous
04/29/2019 15:20
Subject: She Was Excited About E-Scooters in Portland. Then She Broke Her Leg.
Scooters are being used for actual transportation in DC... mostly by Millennials, who still think they're immortal. I've seen a woman with stiletto heels and a suit on a scooter. I've seen another one with yoga pants, flip flops, and a yoga mat on another. I've seen them on sidewalks and weaving in and out of traffic, right next to huge Metrobuses (those Metrobus drivers have very difficult jobs). There needs to be more regulation. They need to have license plates and everyone wearing them should be required to wear a helmet.
Anonymous
04/29/2019 15:13
Subject: She Was Excited About E-Scooters in Portland. Then She Broke Her Leg.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Omg you are going to be so surprised when you learn how bad cars are for health, safety, the environment, and more.
I bet you’ll be super ranty about that because I’m sure you’re not hypocritical at all.
But drivers of cars follow the law (for the most part, you know what I mean) - they stay in their lanes, they don't go the wrong way down a one-way street, they don't park in randomly created spaces that block entry/egress, they stop at lights and stop signs, and the drivers are licensed and have had training before drivers are allowed on the streets.
Almost all drivers speed. Most jurisdictions won't even ticket for speeding until the driver is 10MPH over the limit - but yes, going one mph over the limit is breaking the law. Large numbers of drivers run reds, run stops, make right turns on red without stopping, make illegal U turns, change lanes dangerously, make turns from an improper lane or go straight from a turn only lane. Fail to yield to pedestrians where required, fail to use turn signals. That does not even get into blocking crosswalks or parking in bike lanes.
All this in big fast vehicles that can and regulalry DO kill.
OMG. I specifically said "you know what I mean" but apparently you don't. The majority - the vast, vast, vast majority of drivers follow the rules of the road. As there are no rules of the road for the scooters it is chaotic and dangerous out there.
Anonymous
04/29/2019 15:13
Subject: She Was Excited About E-Scooters in Portland. Then She Broke Her Leg.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Omg you are going to be so surprised when you learn how bad cars are for health, safety, the environment, and more.
I bet you’ll be super ranty about that because I’m sure you’re not hypocritical at all.
But drivers of cars follow the law (for the most part, you know what I mean) - they stay in their lanes, they don't go the wrong way down a one-way street, they don't park in randomly created spaces that block entry/egress, they stop at lights and stop signs, and the drivers are licensed and have had training before drivers are allowed on the streets.
Almost all drivers speed. Most jurisdictions won't even ticket for speeding until the driver is 10MPH over the limit - but yes, going one mph over the limit is breaking the law. Large numbers of drivers run reds, run stops, make right turns on red without stopping, make illegal U turns, change lanes dangerously, make turns from an improper lane or go straight from a turn only lane. Fail to yield to pedestrians where required, fail to use turn signals. That does not even get into blocking crosswalks or parking in bike lanes.
All this in big fast vehicles that can and regulalry DO kill.
Except scooters are on the sidewalk with hapless pedestrians and are being driven by the same types of reckless morons as cars!
We need to get them off of the sidewalks. Into the bike lanes. Which there are not enough of.
Anonymous
04/29/2019 15:12
Subject: She Was Excited About E-Scooters in Portland. Then She Broke Her Leg.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Omg you are going to be so surprised when you learn how bad cars are for health, safety, the environment, and more.
I bet you’ll be super ranty about that because I’m sure you’re not hypocritical at all.
But drivers of cars follow the law (for the most part, you know what I mean) - they stay in their lanes, they don't go the wrong way down a one-way street, they don't park in randomly created spaces that block entry/egress, they stop at lights and stop signs, and the drivers are licensed and have had training before drivers are allowed on the streets.
Almost all drivers speed. Most jurisdictions won't even ticket for speeding until the driver is 10MPH over the limit - but yes, going one mph over the limit is breaking the law. Large numbers of drivers run reds, run stops, make right turns on red without stopping, make illegal U turns, change lanes dangerously, make turns from an improper lane or go straight from a turn only lane. Fail to yield to pedestrians where required, fail to use turn signals. That does not even get into blocking crosswalks or parking in bike lanes.
All this in big fast vehicles that can and regulalry DO kill.
Except scooters are on the sidewalk with hapless pedestrians and are being driven by the same types of reckless morons as cars!
Anonymous
04/29/2019 15:11
Subject: She Was Excited About E-Scooters in Portland. Then She Broke Her Leg.
Anonymous wrote:lol at thinking scooters are good for the environment. The people that charge and stage them drive around in big trucks - you've never seen them get picked up?! The things also often get littered in streams and rivers, left wherever, discarded like litter and not picked up if in difficult places.
The best thing you can do for the environment, is walk. Then bike.
Usually I think they pick up quite a few in one round, and I don't think they go that far to get them (and the scooters get multiple uses between charges I think), but that would be something the local govts could try to get info on.
Anonymous
04/29/2019 15:09
Subject: She Was Excited About E-Scooters in Portland. Then She Broke Her Leg.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Omg you are going to be so surprised when you learn how bad cars are for health, safety, the environment, and more.
I bet you’ll be super ranty about that because I’m sure you’re not hypocritical at all.
But drivers of cars follow the law (for the most part, you know what I mean) - they stay in their lanes, they don't go the wrong way down a one-way street, they don't park in randomly created spaces that block entry/egress, they stop at lights and stop signs, and the drivers are licensed and have had training before drivers are allowed on the streets.
Almost all drivers speed. Most jurisdictions won't even ticket for speeding until the driver is 10MPH over the limit - but yes, going one mph over the limit is breaking the law. Large numbers of drivers run reds, run stops, make right turns on red without stopping, make illegal U turns, change lanes dangerously, make turns from an improper lane or go straight from a turn only lane. Fail to yield to pedestrians where required, fail to use turn signals. That does not even get into blocking crosswalks or parking in bike lanes.
All this in big fast vehicles that can and regulalry DO kill.