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Anonymous wrote:It frustrates me that the current discussion doesn't seem to acknowledge that MCPS has a number of VERY diverse schools. RM comes to mind. Are our students at these very diverse schools doing better than students at our less diverse schools (both schools with more concentrated poverty and schools with more concentrated wealth). I love the kids, they are doing what teens do and we need that, but the discussion feels un-nuanced. We have schools with a whole range of demographics in this County. Is there an example of some that the student group feels are doing well?

Yeah I agree. Is this student group from a particular school (or subset of schools)? When they say they want more diversity, what do they really mean? We’re zoned for schools that are already pretty diverse, so I don’t know how (or if) trying to meet certain diversity goals (whatever they may be) in other more disparate parts of the county would affect our cluster.

Go to one of those meetings and ask them.

I went to QO and Kennedy. I saw students in Kennedy and din't see any students in QO. Clearly, We do not have student groups in all clusters who can answer questions.

Where did this come about if not at the meetings?

I didn't see any student in QO meeting. That's why I was saying that going to one meeting may not allow you to ask questions from students who are talking about diversity. Anyway, there is only one meeting left.

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Anonymous wrote:It frustrates me that the current discussion doesn't seem to acknowledge that MCPS has a number of VERY diverse schools. RM comes to mind. Are our students at these very diverse schools doing better than students at our less diverse schools (both schools with more concentrated poverty and schools with more concentrated wealth). I love the kids, they are doing what teens do and we need that, but the discussion feels un-nuanced. We have schools with a whole range of demographics in this County. Is there an example of some that the student group feels are doing well?

Yeah I agree. Is this student group from a particular school (or subset of schools)? When they say they want more diversity, what do they really mean? We’re zoned for schools that are already pretty diverse, so I don’t know how (or if) trying to meet certain diversity goals (whatever they may be) in other more disparate parts of the county would affect our cluster.

Go to one of those meetings and ask them.

I went to QO and Kennedy. I saw students in Kennedy and din't see any students in QO. Clearly, We do not have student groups in all clusters who can answer questions.

Where did this come about if not at the meetings?

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Anonymous wrote:It frustrates me that the current discussion doesn't seem to acknowledge that MCPS has a number of VERY diverse schools. RM comes to mind. Are our students at these very diverse schools doing better than students at our less diverse schools (both schools with more concentrated poverty and schools with more concentrated wealth). I love the kids, they are doing what teens do and we need that, but the discussion feels un-nuanced. We have schools with a whole range of demographics in this County. Is there an example of some that the student group feels are doing well?

Yeah I agree. Is this student group from a particular school (or subset of schools)? When they say they want more diversity, what do they really mean? We’re zoned for schools that are already pretty diverse, so I don’t know how (or if) trying to meet certain diversity goals (whatever they may be) in other more disparate parts of the county would affect our cluster.

Go to one of those meetings and ask them.

All meetings don't have students.

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Anonymous wrote:It frustrates me that the current discussion doesn't seem to acknowledge that MCPS has a number of VERY diverse schools. RM comes to mind. Are our students at these very diverse schools doing better than students at our less diverse schools (both schools with more concentrated poverty and schools with more concentrated wealth). I love the kids, they are doing what teens do and we need that, but the discussion feels un-nuanced. We have schools with a whole range of demographics in this County. Is there an example of some that the student group feels are doing well?

Yeah I agree. Is this student group from a particular school (or subset of schools)? When they say they want more diversity, what do they really mean? We’re zoned for schools that are already pretty diverse, so I don’t know how (or if) trying to meet certain diversity goals (whatever they may be) in other more disparate parts of the county would affect our cluster.

Go to one of those meetings and ask them.

I went to QO and Kennedy. I saw students in Kennedy and din't see any students in QO. Clearly, We do not have student groups in all clusters who can answer questions.

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Anonymous wrote:It frustrates me that the current discussion doesn't seem to acknowledge that MCPS has a number of VERY diverse schools. RM comes to mind. Are our students at these very diverse schools doing better than students at our less diverse schools (both schools with more concentrated poverty and schools with more concentrated wealth). I love the kids, they are doing what teens do and we need that, but the discussion feels un-nuanced. We have schools with a whole range of demographics in this County. Is there an example of some that the student group feels are doing well?

Yeah I agree. Is this student group from a particular school (or subset of schools)? When they say they want more diversity, what do they really mean? We’re zoned for schools that are already pretty diverse, so I don’t know how (or if) trying to meet certain diversity goals (whatever they may be) in other more disparate parts of the county would affect our cluster.

Go to one of those meetings and ask them.

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Anonymous wrote:It frustrates me that the current discussion doesn't seem to acknowledge that MCPS has a number of VERY diverse schools. RM comes to mind. Are our students at these very diverse schools doing better than students at our less diverse schools (both schools with more concentrated poverty and schools with more concentrated wealth). I love the kids, they are doing what teens do and we need that, but the discussion feels un-nuanced. We have schools with a whole range of demographics in this County. Is there an example of some that the student group feels are doing well?

Yeah I agree. Is this student group from a particular school (or subset of schools)? When they say they want more diversity, what do they really mean? We’re zoned for schools that are already pretty diverse, so I don’t know how (or if) trying to meet certain diversity goals (whatever they may be) in other more disparate parts of the county would affect our cluster.

The PP said it: they do what teens do. Don't take it seriously.

Anonymous wrote:It frustrates me that the current discussion doesn't seem to acknowledge that MCPS has a number of VERY diverse schools. RM comes to mind. Are our students at these very diverse schools doing better than students at our less diverse schools (both schools with more concentrated poverty and schools with more concentrated wealth). I love the kids, they are doing what teens do and we need that, but the discussion feels un-nuanced. We have schools with a whole range of demographics in this County. Is there an example of some that the student group feels are doing well?

Yeah I agree. Is this student group from a particular school (or subset of schools)? When they say they want more diversity, what do they really mean? We’re zoned for schools that are already pretty diverse, so I don’t know how (or if) trying to meet certain diversity goals (whatever they may be) in other more disparate parts of the county would affect our cluster.

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OK, and if cat group in school A performs better than cat group in school B, and dog group in school A performs better than dog group in School B, then overall, school A is better.

Yes, the size of the group can be different.

Well, you can define "better" that way.

Just don't misled people to believe "animals in school A performs better".

Not the PP, but that's just about the only fair way to define better. I'd definitely argue that school A is better because similar kids to better in A.

except when you're a cat or a dog and then you're better off at school B

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OK, and if cat group in school A performs better than cat group in school B, and dog group in school A performs better than dog group in School B, then overall, school A is better.

Yes, the size of the group can be different.

Well, you can define "better" that way.

Just don't misled people to believe "animals in school A performs better".

Not the PP, but that's just about the only fair way to define better. I'd definitely argue that school A is better because similar kids to better in A.

Anonymous wrote:Low income students can never do well if their parents are not well educated, or they do not prioritize education above all else.

My dad was an immigrant -- poor and the son of a farmer who had to work menial labor jobs in this country. My dad has a graduate degree in math and is pretty brilliant. He got no financial help for college or grad school. His parents did value education, but circumstances prevented them from valuing "above all else." This post just betrays a very narrow perspective of educational potential. Broaden your horizons. Maybe roll up your sleeved and volunteer to help a kid whose family is unable to "prioritize education above all else."

Anonymous wrote:Einstein is a good high school. People acting like it’s not just lack perspective. It’d be phenomenal anywhere else not next to BCC.

+! I know people in Einstein catchment who really like it. And, it has IB and VAC. I think west county is just over represented, and they like to bring their prejudices to this forum. A lot.

It frustrates me that the current discussion doesn't seem to acknowledge that MCPS has a number of VERY diverse schools. RM comes to mind. Are our students at these very diverse schools doing better than students at our less diverse schools (both schools with more concentrated poverty and schools with more concentrated wealth). I love the kids, they are doing what teens do and we need that, but the discussion feels un-nuanced. We have schools with a whole range of demographics in this County. Is there an example of some that the student group feels are doing well?

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Anonymous wrote:Low income students can never do well if their parents are not well educated, or they do not prioritize education above all else.

So.. we should just give up on them?

I would not say *never*. I grew up lower income with uneducated parents, and I did fairly well in school.

it's amazing how many people hear another we're basically argue that you should just give up on students because (poverty/parenting/culture/etc)

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12:13 here again.

Here's the interpretation of PP's allegory, for those of you who had trouble:

Cats are from educated and/or high-income families, dogs are from poorly educated and/or low-income families.
School A is in Bethesda, School B is in Wheaton.
No school is inherently better.
It's the make-up of School A which is more propitious for learning, due to geographical wealth segregation.
School B can have just as many dedicated teachers and interesting programs for all we know, but it's never going to have excellent outcomes for the majority of its students.

Einstein literacy 2018:

non-FARMs white/Asian/all other: 4
non-FARMs black: 3
non-FARMs Hispanic/Latino: 2
FARMs white/Asian/all other: 4 [this represents a very small number of students]
FARMs black: 3
FARMs Hispanic/Latino: 2

Whitman literacy 2018:

non-FARMs white/Asian/all other: 4
non-FARMs black: 3 [this represents a very small number of students]
non-FARMs Hispanic/Latino: 2 [this represents a very small number of students]
FARMs white/Asian/all other: 4 [this represents a very small number of students]
FARMs black: 3 [this represents a very small number of students]
FARMs Hispanic/Latino: 2 [this represents a very small number of students]

What we can conclude from this is that, on average, each subgroup did as well at Einstein as at Whitman in 2018, but because most of the subgroups are very small at Whitman, we shouldn't be surprised if in the future, the scores fluctuate more from year to year at Whitman than at Einstein.

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Let me give you an example: pet school A and school B, dogs and cats go to these schools.

In school A, cats get an average score of 90, dogs get an average score of 20.
In school B, cats get an average score of 100, dogs get an average score of 30.

Do you think school B must out-perform school A?

Not true. The answer: school A has 100 cats and 1 dog. School B has 100 dogs and 1 cat. Now you can see which school has higher performing animals?

12:13 here again.

Here's the interpretation of PP's allegory, for those of you who had trouble:

Cats are from educated and/or high-income families, dogs are from poorly educated and/or low-income families.
School A is in Bethesda, School B is in Wheaton.
No school is inherently better.
It's the make-up of School A which is more propitious for learning, due to geographical wealth segregation.
School B can have just as many dedicated teachers and interesting programs for all we know, but it's never going to have excellent outcomes for the majority of its students.