Anonymous
04/06/2019 10:21
Subject: Re:Disappointed about CES
Anonymous wrote:I am imagining CES admissions becoming like an Oprah show. "You get into CES, you get into CES, EVERYBODY GETS INTO CES!!!!"
Yes, we can!
Anonymous
04/06/2019 10:11
Subject: Re:Disappointed about CES
I am imagining CES admissions becoming like an Oprah show. "You get into CES, you get into CES, EVERYBODY GETS INTO CES!!!!"
Anonymous
04/06/2019 10:06
Subject: Disappointed about CES
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP tried gaming the system. Now he/she regretted that he/she did not do enough. What a joke!
+1. You nailed it.
Buying one COGAT prep book is considered gaming the system? Are you people nuts? Do you also consider the kid who takes musical instrument lessons and gets picked for the orchestra or the kid who takes soccer/tennis lessons and gets picked for the team as gaming the system? Because only kids who have never prepared or trained should be considered to identify the truly gifted tennis player?
You play music, tennis etc, using your own money. You can do whatever you want.
MCPS is a public school system, operated on tax payer's money. Every child shall have EQUAL opportunity!! CES or whatever.
Many kids do not have access to test preparation, and thus are put in disadvantage unfairly.
So, YES, folks like you are gaming the system.
The books, not test prep classes, cost ~$15. At that price, the issue is not affordability but attitude about valuing education.... Following these threads on DCUM, it seems like the SJWs just want all CES programs abolished. Everyone gets the same level of education irrespective of ability. A future of mediocrity awaits.
The whole point of recent changes like using the CogAt screener is because prep has minimal impact.
Sadly, no test cannot be prepared. No system cannot be gamed.
Anonymous
04/06/2019 10:05
Subject: Disappointed about CES
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP tried gaming the system. Now he/she regretted that he/she did not do enough. What a joke!
+1. You nailed it.
Buying one COGAT prep book is considered gaming the system? Are you people nuts? Do you also consider the kid who takes musical instrument lessons and gets picked for the orchestra or the kid who takes soccer/tennis lessons and gets picked for the team as gaming the system? Because only kids who have never prepared or trained should be considered to identify the truly gifted tennis player?
You play music, tennis etc, using your own money. You can do whatever you want.
MCPS is a public school system, operated on tax payer's money. Every child shall have EQUAL opportunity!! CES or whatever.
Many kids do not have access to test preparation, and thus are put in disadvantage unfairly.
So, YES, folks like you are gaming the system.
The books, not test prep classes, cost ~$15. At that price, the issue is not affordability but attitude about valuing education.... Following these threads on DCUM, it seems like the SJWs just want all CES programs abolished. Everyone gets the same level of education irrespective of ability. A future of mediocrity awaits.
You know that it is NOT about $15, or attitude toward education.
The fact is that many parents do not even know there are such books that one can buy to prepare their kids for the test.
You really think your kids are smarter than others? Think again!
Anonymous
04/06/2019 09:57
Subject: Disappointed about CES
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP tried gaming the system. Now he/she regretted that he/she did not do enough. What a joke!
+1. You nailed it.
Buying one COGAT prep book is considered gaming the system? Are you people nuts? Do you also consider the kid who takes musical instrument lessons and gets picked for the orchestra or the kid who takes soccer/tennis lessons and gets picked for the team as gaming the system? Because only kids who have never prepared or trained should be considered to identify the truly gifted tennis player?
You play music, tennis etc, using your own money. You can do whatever you want.
MCPS is a public school system, operated on tax payer's money. Every child shall have EQUAL opportunity!! CES or whatever.
Many kids do not have access to test preparation, and thus are put in disadvantage unfairly.
So, YES, folks like you are gaming the system.
The books, not test prep classes, cost ~$15. At that price, the issue is not affordability but attitude about valuing education.... Following these threads on DCUM, it seems like the SJWs just want all CES programs abolished. Everyone gets the same level of education irrespective of ability. A future of mediocrity awaits.
The whole point of recent changes like using the CogAt screener is because prep has minimal impact.
Anonymous
04/06/2019 09:47
Subject: Disappointed about CES
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP tried gaming the system. Now he/she regretted that he/she did not do enough. What a joke!
+1. You nailed it.
Buying one COGAT prep book is considered gaming the system? Are you people nuts? Do you also consider the kid who takes musical instrument lessons and gets picked for the orchestra or the kid who takes soccer/tennis lessons and gets picked for the team as gaming the system? Because only kids who have never prepared or trained should be considered to identify the truly gifted tennis player?
You play music, tennis etc, using your own money. You can do whatever you want.
MCPS is a public school system, operated on tax payer's money. Every child shall have EQUAL opportunity!! CES or whatever.
Many kids do not have access to test preparation, and thus are put in disadvantage unfairly.
So, YES, folks like you are gaming the system.
The books, not test prep classes, cost ~$15. At that price, the issue is not affordability but attitude about valuing education.... Following these threads on DCUM, it seems like the SJWs just want all CES programs abolished. Everyone gets the same level of education irrespective of ability. A future of mediocrity awaits.
Anonymous
04/06/2019 09:40
Subject: Disappointed about CES
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP tried gaming the system. Now he/she regretted that he/she did not do enough. What a joke!
+1. You nailed it.
Buying one COGAT prep book is considered gaming the system? Are you people nuts? Do you also consider the kid who takes musical instrument lessons and gets picked for the orchestra or the kid who takes soccer/tennis lessons and gets picked for the team as gaming the system? Because only kids who have never prepared or trained should be considered to identify the truly gifted tennis player?
You play music, tennis etc, using your own money. You can do whatever you want.
MCPS is a public school system, operated on tax payer's money. Every child shall have EQUAL opportunity!! CES or whatever.
Many kids do not have access to test preparation, and thus are put in disadvantage unfairly.
So, YES, folks like you are gaming the system.
Anonymous
04/06/2019 09:38
Subject: Re:Disappointed about CES
The whole process stinks. Last year 2 kids from our home school got in, and 3 more 99%ers (that I know of) were waitlisted. One who didn't get in originally had a mother who was able to pull strings to get her child in. MCPS does a huge disservice to bright kids who are ready to be challenged but for whatever reason are locked out of the CES.
Don't be that person. Spreading rumors because you're jealous is really ugly. Kids don't get into the CES under the new system because parents pull strings.
Um, I know one who did, a 4th grader this year, and I am not the PP.
Pulled strings as in use the legal process of appeals and sending in supplemental information? OP can do that as well.
Nope, she did not use the appeals process to get her child in. I will not detail her steps here because I know the insanely competitive parents here will try to follow her lead.
I'm not going to report it because I'm putting my time and energy into advocating for better middle and high school programs that my children may actually have a chance to benefit from. The elementary school CES is water under the bridge now.
Anonymous
04/06/2019 09:30
Subject: Disappointed about CES
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP tried gaming the system. Now he/she regretted that he/she did not do enough. What a joke!
+1. You nailed it.
Buying one COGAT prep book is considered gaming the system? Are you people nuts? Do you also consider the kid who takes musical instrument lessons and gets picked for the orchestra or the kid who takes soccer/tennis lessons and gets picked for the team as gaming the system? Because only kids who have never prepared or trained should be considered to identify the truly gifted tennis player?
To be fair, MCPS shall provide every student a COGAT prep book.
Anonymous
04/06/2019 09:12
Subject: Disappointed about CES
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP tried gaming the system. Now he/she regretted that he/she did not do enough. What a joke!
+1. You nailed it.
Buying one COGAT prep book is considered gaming the system? Are you people nuts? Do you also consider the kid who takes musical instrument lessons and gets picked for the orchestra or the kid who takes soccer/tennis lessons and gets picked for the team as gaming the system? Because only kids who have never prepared or trained should be considered to identify the truly gifted tennis player?
Anonymous
04/06/2019 09:03
Subject: Disappointed about CES
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:For affluent families who can afford other ways of enrichment (private tutors, weekend classes etc), whether CES or not does not make much difference, indeed.
For poor families, it could have a much great impact.
Totally agree.
I strongly support MCPS's move to admit more FARM students and minority students to CES. I think they shall and could do more in the future.
Exactly. The point isn’t that CES is bad. It is that CES isn’t wide spread enough. K and 1st parents should start now to lobby for MCPS to expand the program to each school.
Also agree.
Anonymous
04/06/2019 08:32
Subject: Disappointed about CES
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:For affluent families who can afford other ways of enrichment (private tutors, weekend classes etc), whether CES or not does not make much difference, indeed.
For poor families, it could have a much great impact.
Totally agree.
I strongly support MCPS's move to admit more FARM students and minority students to CES. I think they shall and could do more in the future.
Exactly. The point isn’t that CES is bad. It is that CES isn’t wide spread enough. K and 1st parents should start now to lobby for MCPS to expand the program to each school.
Anonymous
04/06/2019 08:05
Subject: Disappointed about CES
Anonymous wrote:For affluent families who can afford other ways of enrichment (private tutors, weekend classes etc), whether CES or not does not make much difference, indeed.
For poor families, it could have a much great impact.
Totally agree.
I strongly support MCPS's move to admit more FARM students and minority students to CES. I think they shall and could do more in the future.
Anonymous
04/06/2019 08:04
Subject: Disappointed about CES
Anonymous wrote:For affluent families who can afford other ways of enrichment (private tutors, weekend classes etc), whether CES or not does not make much difference, indeed.
For poor families, it could have a much great impact.
+1 it is very elitist. Even educated families need to work long hours and can’t always afford very expensive enrichment activities or even have the time. My kid leaves early for before care, and leaves at 6. Barely has time for sport, instrument practice and dinner/bath/bed. My child is accepted for CES next year but if I had to give him the CRS experience after school it would be exhausting and stressful.
Anonymous
04/06/2019 07:55
Subject: Disappointed about CES
For affluent families who can afford other ways of enrichment (private tutors, weekend classes etc), whether CES or not does not make much difference, indeed.
For poor families, it could have a much great impact.
For poor families, it could have a much great impact.