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Anonymous wrote:black or Hispanic much better chance with those stats

Is it fair personally I don't think so but it is what it is

same with white athletes and white legacy applicants.

Legacy is not the advantage that you think it is. I have twice had kids strike out at my alma mater despite scores within their middle 50%. Perhaps if I gave more.

+1. Legacy advantage is vastly overstated.

Except at Harvard -- which accepts way more legacies as a percentage of admits than anyplace else.

However, they have so many alums, legacy is no guarantee.

Legacy admit rate at Harvard is 5x the regular admit rate.

Legacy admit rate at Stanford is 3x the regular admit rate.

Legacy admit rate at Yale is 4x the regular admit rate.

Legacy admit rate at Princeton is 4x the regular admit rate.

Decide for yourself whether this is an advantage or not.

This is the way a ten year old might consider the impact of legacy on admissions. Try to exercise your critical thinking skills, if possible.

And your response is the way that someone who has nothing to say tries to insult someone else. Let's see your critical thinking skills and why don't you explain how legacy doesn't help.

One more point to consider, only 1.5% of students at Cal Tech are legacies. Cal Tech, of course, gives no legacy advantage.

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Anonymous wrote:black or Hispanic much better chance with those stats

Is it fair personally I don't think so but it is what it is

same with white athletes and white legacy applicants.

Legacy is not the advantage that you think it is. I have twice had kids strike out at my alma mater despite scores within their middle 50%. Perhaps if I gave more.

+1. Legacy advantage is vastly overstated.

Yes, and there are legacies of all races. My late 80s class at HYPS was almost 40% "minorities" including many Asians.

Sigh - your personal experience has no relevance.

" . . . legacy applicants are likely to be white. More than one-fifth of white applicants admitted to Harvard between 2010 and 2015 were legacies. By comparison, only 4.8% of African American students admitted were legacies. The rate was only slightly higher among Asian American students (6.6%) and Hispanic students (7%). The number of white legacy students admitted to Harvard exceeded the number of African American, Hispanic and Asian American legacy students combined." LA Times June 22, 2018.

And while we're talking about this, athletic recruits to the Ivy League are also mostly white:

"61 percent of student athletes last year were white. At elite colleges, that number is even higher: 65 percent in the Ivy League, not including international students, and 79 percent in the Division III New England Small College Athletic Conference, which includes elite liberal-arts colleges like Williams College and Amherst College" . The Atlantic October 23, 2018

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Anonymous wrote:black or Hispanic much better chance with those stats

Is it fair personally I don't think so but it is what it is

same with white athletes and white legacy applicants.

Legacy is not the advantage that you think it is. I have twice had kids strike out at my alma mater despite scores within their middle 50%. Perhaps if I gave more.

+1. Legacy advantage is vastly overstated.

Except at Harvard -- which accepts way more legacies as a percentage of admits than anyplace else.

However, they have so many alums, legacy is no guarantee.

Legacy admit rate at Harvard is 5x the regular admit rate.

Legacy admit rate at Stanford is 3x the regular admit rate.

Legacy admit rate at Yale is 4x the regular admit rate.

Legacy admit rate at Princeton is 4x the regular admit rate.

Decide for yourself whether this is an advantage or not.

This is the way a ten year old might consider the impact of legacy on admissions. Try to exercise your critical thinking skills, if possible.

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Anonymous wrote:black or Hispanic much better chance with those stats

Is it fair personally I don't think so but it is what it is

same with white athletes and white legacy applicants.

Legacy is not the advantage that you think it is. I have twice had kids strike out at my alma mater despite scores within their middle 50%. Perhaps if I gave more.

+1. Legacy advantage is vastly overstated.

Yes, and there are legacies of all races. My late 80s class at HYPS was almost 40% "minorities" including many Asians.

Anonymous wrote:Thank you, Harvard interviewer, for an excellent and insightful post.

+1

The good thing about being admitted to Harvard for a no-hook candidate is that they will always be able to hack it there. Between the legacies and URMs and golf buddies, you will never be at the bottom of the heap. Oh, and also grade inflation. Look at the politicians and SCJ's they have produced! Just scum.

Sometimes when you hear of a kid who got offers from all the Ivies, you hear criticism of their overkill when applying. No one is a shoo-in unless it is some deepest pockets person - billionaires, politicians, world leaders and industry leaders.

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I should say "don't compare and contrast" . I didn't type "don't" in a hurry.

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Anonymous wrote:black or Hispanic much better chance with those stats

Is it fair personally I don't think so but it is what it is

same with white athletes and white legacy applicants.

Legacy is not the advantage that you think it is. I have twice had kids strike out at my alma mater despite scores within their middle 50%. Perhaps if I gave more.

+1. Legacy advantage is vastly overstated.

Except at Harvard -- which accepts way more legacies as a percentage of admits than anyplace else.

However, they have so many alums, legacy is no guarantee.

Legacy admit rate at Harvard is 5x the regular admit rate.

Legacy admit rate at Stanford is 3x the regular admit rate.

Legacy admit rate at Yale is 4x the regular admit rate.

Legacy admit rate at Princeton is 4x the regular admit rate.

Decide for yourself whether this is an advantage or not.

Nope, can't tell from the info provided. You have to look at the stats of the kids in each group.

While the last response seems intelligent and unbiased, it in actuality is a non-starter argument since even a great majority of the admissions officers on Harvard's selection committee compare and contrast every applicant in each group. Nobody's brain is a supercomputer to remember, recall, and compare! In case you didn't read the NYT article whose link is posted on this thread, let me copy, paste a small portion of it below:
‘A.L.D.C.’s

Harvard gives advantages to recruited athletes (A’s); legacies (L’s), or the children of Harvard graduates; applicants on the dean’s or director’s interest list (D’s), which often include the children of very wealthy donors and prominent people, mostly white; and the children (C’s) of faculty and staff. ALDCs make up only about 5 percent of applicants but 30 percent of admitted students.

[Five Harvard freshmen have a frank talk about how they got in.]

While being an A.L.D.C. helps — their acceptance rate is about 45 percent, compared with 4.5 to 5 percent for the rest of the pool

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/07/us/getting-into-harvard.html

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Anonymous wrote:black or Hispanic much better chance with those stats

Is it fair personally I don't think so but it is what it is

same with white athletes and white legacy applicants.

Legacy is not the advantage that you think it is. I have twice had kids strike out at my alma mater despite scores within their middle 50%. Perhaps if I gave more.

+1. Legacy advantage is vastly overstated.

Except at Harvard -- which accepts way more legacies as a percentage of admits than anyplace else.

However, they have so many alums, legacy is no guarantee.

Legacy admit rate at Harvard is 5x the regular admit rate.

Legacy admit rate at Stanford is 3x the regular admit rate.

Legacy admit rate at Yale is 4x the regular admit rate.

Legacy admit rate at Princeton is 4x the regular admit rate.

Decide for yourself whether this is an advantage or not.

Sorry if this is off topic but wondering what qualifies as legacy. For instance DS has a grandparent on the faculty at Harvard. Is that considered “legacy “?

Only if grandfather ATTENDED Harvard as well.

grandparent did not attend Harvard. Oh well! Thanks for responding

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Anonymous wrote:black or Hispanic much better chance with those stats

Is it fair personally I don't think so but it is what it is

same with white athletes and white legacy applicants.

Legacy is not the advantage that you think it is. I have twice had kids strike out at my alma mater despite scores within their middle 50%. Perhaps if I gave more.

+1. Legacy advantage is vastly overstated.

Except at Harvard -- which accepts way more legacies as a percentage of admits than anyplace else.

However, they have so many alums, legacy is no guarantee.

Legacy admit rate at Harvard is 5x the regular admit rate.

Legacy admit rate at Stanford is 3x the regular admit rate.

Legacy admit rate at Yale is 4x the regular admit rate.

Legacy admit rate at Princeton is 4x the regular admit rate.

Decide for yourself whether this is an advantage or not.

Sorry if this is off topic but wondering what qualifies as legacy. For instance DS has a grandparent on the faculty at Harvard. Is that considered “legacy “?

Only if grandfather ATTENDED Harvard as well.

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Anonymous wrote:black or Hispanic much better chance with those stats

Is it fair personally I don't think so but it is what it is

same with white athletes and white legacy applicants.

Legacy is not the advantage that you think it is. I have twice had kids strike out at my alma mater despite scores within their middle 50%. Perhaps if I gave more.

+1. Legacy advantage is vastly overstated.

Except at Harvard -- which accepts way more legacies as a percentage of admits than anyplace else.

However, they have so many alums, legacy is no guarantee.

Legacy admit rate at Harvard is 5x the regular admit rate.

Legacy admit rate at Stanford is 3x the regular admit rate.

Legacy admit rate at Yale is 4x the regular admit rate.

Legacy admit rate at Princeton is 4x the regular admit rate.

Decide for yourself whether this is an advantage or not.

Nope, can't tell from the info provided. You have to look at the stats of the kids in each group.

Put it this way, OP, nothing is a sure thing. There are so many students with your stats.

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Anonymous wrote:black or Hispanic much better chance with those stats

Is it fair personally I don't think so but it is what it is

same with white athletes and white legacy applicants.

Legacy is not the advantage that you think it is. I have twice had kids strike out at my alma mater despite scores within their middle 50%. Perhaps if I gave more.

+1. Legacy advantage is vastly overstated.

Except at Harvard -- which accepts way more legacies as a percentage of admits than anyplace else.

However, they have so many alums, legacy is no guarantee.

Legacy admit rate at Harvard is 5x the regular admit rate.

Legacy admit rate at Stanford is 3x the regular admit rate.

Legacy admit rate at Yale is 4x the regular admit rate.

Legacy admit rate at Princeton is 4x the regular admit rate.

Decide for yourself whether this is an advantage or not.

Sorry if this is off topic but wondering what qualifies as legacy. For instance DS has a grandparent on the faculty at Harvard. Is that considered “legacy “?

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Anonymous wrote:black or Hispanic much better chance with those stats

Is it fair personally I don't think so but it is what it is

same with white athletes and white legacy applicants.

Legacy is not the advantage that you think it is. I have twice had kids strike out at my alma mater despite scores within their middle 50%. Perhaps if I gave more.

+1. Legacy advantage is vastly overstated.

Except at Harvard -- which accepts way more legacies as a percentage of admits than anyplace else.

However, they have so many alums, legacy is no guarantee.

Legacy admit rate at Harvard is 5x the regular admit rate.

Legacy admit rate at Stanford is 3x the regular admit rate.

Legacy admit rate at Yale is 4x the regular admit rate.

Legacy admit rate at Princeton is 4x the regular admit rate.

Decide for yourself whether this is an advantage or not.