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Anonymous wrote:Because, when you have a dog bred for yourself (which is what going to a breeder is), you're sentencing to death the dog that you would have adopted (which is what you would be doing).

This

Logical fallacy. For many people it's not breeder vs. shelter dog. It's breeder versus NO dog.

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Anonymous wrote:How did it become OPs job to rescue a dog in a shelter? Dogs are a lot of responsibility. Research and get one you like.

Agreed but the title of the post was why people object to using breeders. Nobody will say this in person but when someone says they have breeder dog most people look down on that choice as something objectionable.

Depends on the company you keep. I'd wager that 1/2 my acquaintances would silently look down on my purebred dogs, and the other 1/2 would not.

Totally anecdotal but, I've noticed that baby boomers and millennials are far more likely to have shelter dogs, at least in DC. In fact I can't think of a single millennial I know in DC who went out and purchased a dog. Whereas most of my Gen X peers have dogs from show breeders. And all my baby boomer neighbors in upper NW have shelter dogs that are part hound, from West Virginia

Could be related to having young children in the home.

Singles and retirees will be more open to a rescue or shelter mutt than will Gen X parents with young children looking for specific breeds, dogs whose entire history from birth to when they come into their permanent home has been supervised and accounted for.

Anonymous wrote:How did it become OPs job to rescue a dog in a shelter? Dogs are a lot of responsibility. Research and get one you like.

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Anonymous wrote:How did it become OPs job to rescue a dog in a shelter? Dogs are a lot of responsibility. Research and get one you like.

Agreed but the title of the post was why people object to using breeders. Nobody will say this in person but when someone says they have breeder dog most people look down on that choice as something objectionable.

Depends on the company you keep. I'd wager that 1/2 my acquaintances would silently look down on my purebred dogs, and the other 1/2 would not.

Totally anecdotal but, I've noticed that baby boomers and millennials are far more likely to have shelter dogs, at least in DC. In fact I can't think of a single millennial I know in DC who went out and purchased a dog. Whereas most of my Gen X peers have dogs from show breeders. And all my baby boomer neighbors in upper NW have shelter dogs that are part hound, from West Virginia

I have both adopted a dog from a shelter and purchased a pure bred dog from a breeder. Different needs and different times of my life. When I adopted a dog from a shelter I did not care about the breed, I was single and young. Had a wonderful dog for 16 years. My current dog is a purebred miniature poodle. I am married to a man allergic to dogs and had a child allergic to dogs. Suddenly breed mattered. A purebred poodle and a shelter or a rescue typically has some sort of issue. I wanted to ensure a dog that was in good health and was not emotionally or physically abused as a puppy And a puppy mill dog has a whole set of other issues such as separation anxiety, etc. from being bred and raised in a cage rather than in a house. I agree that not all breeders are good breeders, so I did a lot of research. I want to support good breeders as, if they are doing everything right, this is the type of small business that should be supported. my breeder has all of the dams living in homes of the people who will eventually keep them, since they were nine or 10 weeks old, and they are bred only two times, before they are spayed and become the permanent pet in the home they have lived in since they were 10 weeks old. I really loved her set up and I am in contact with the breeder still today, 2 years after adopting my boy.

Anonymous wrote:How many pure bred sight hounds are there in shelters? I don’t want a lab/pit nor a lab/poodle. If I remember correctly, most shelters were just warehouses for the puppy mills pumping out these two mixes in excess and raking in the dollars as part of a rescue scam. How is that preferable to a breeder selling a dog for $7000? They are lucky to have a dog available at all because of so few being bred.

Try these folks http://www.pawsonthemountain.org/about-us/ Some really pretty greyhounds on their page.

Anonymous wrote:How many pure bred sight hounds are there in shelters? I don’t want a lab/pit nor a lab/poodle. If I remember correctly, most shelters were just warehouses for the puppy mills pumping out these two mixes in excess and raking in the dollars as part of a rescue scam. How is that preferable to a breeder selling a dog for $7000? They are lucky to have a dog available at all because of so few being bred.

Sight hounds? Like greyhounds ? There are a bazillion rescue greyhounds.

How many pure bred sight hounds are there in shelters? I don’t want a lab/pit nor a lab/poodle. If I remember correctly, most shelters were just warehouses for the puppy mills pumping out these two mixes in excess and raking in the dollars as part of a rescue scam. How is that preferable to a breeder selling a dog for $7000? They are lucky to have a dog available at all because of so few being bred.

Anonymous wrote:How did it become OPs job to rescue a dog in a shelter? Dogs are a lot of responsibility. Research and get one you like.

Agreed but the title of the post was why people object to using breeders. Nobody will say this in person but when someone says they have breeder dog most people look down on that choice as something objectionable.

How did it become OPs job to rescue a dog in a shelter? Dogs are a lot of responsibility. Research and get one you like.

In San Francisco it is illegal to sell pets.

Also in San Diego as well.

Anonymous wrote:Because, when you have a dog bred for yourself (which is what going to a breeder is), you're sentencing to death the dog that you would have adopted (which is what you would be doing).

This exactly.

Do not buy while a shelter pet dies.

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I have 3 children. I need to know that the temperament of the parents/breed, I need to know that the dog and its relatives have been raised in a loving way and I need a dog that's a good family dog.

I don't care what people say pit bulls and Rottweilers etc. CAN be trained to kill. it's in their DNA. a rescue dog you never know what it's been through and when it may snap or turn on you. not it's fault, I am not blaming the dog, some of them have been through some trauma. with 3 little children, I can't afford to take that risk.

no matter what you do, a Labrador retriever cannot be trained to kill. a 5 year old can pull its tail, stick its hands in the mouth, bother him all day long and he will NEVER harm a child, they're sweet as can be, esp. if theyre bred for temperament etc.

You are SO wrong about that.(https://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/boy-4-killed-by-family-labrador-in-horror-attack-20160817) ANY dog can kill, maybe not a small breed, but you get my point I hope.

You can say rescues are an unknown variable but there thousands of breeder horror stories (and even the most well regarded breeders) and rescue success stories. Dont go by random old wives tales that certain breeds don't bite or that you can only find certain types of dogs at shelters. Go and see for yourself and look at petfinder or rescue websites.

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Anonymous wrote:Because, when you have a dog bred for yourself (which is what going to a breeder is), you're sentencing to death the dog that you would have adopted (which is what you would be doing).

19:58 here.

And... there's lots of misinformation out there!

1. Rescues directly enable the dog industry by buying dogs at puppy mill auctions, and indirectly by transporting and distributing puppy mill dogs, for a small charitable donation, thereby feeding demand.

2. In the larger scheme of things that practically no one understands, what's truly important is to protect the future of the dog species. Saving individual dog lives is nice, but completely inconsequential next to that critical long-term goal. What's important is to control and clean-up breeding. Puppy mill and backyard breeding create dangerous genetic illnesses that are passed down and accumulate in breeding lines. They are the modern day continuation of the purely esthetic breeding that started in the early 20th century, when people didn't know about genetic diseases. Now we know better. Good breeders do not breed dogs that test positive for a myriad of known genetic disease markers. They are the ones who should be respected and extolled for saving the species in the LONG-TERM. I understand this because I'm a geneticist. If you want the dog species to survive, you need to support good breeding practices, and that means testing for preventable genetic diseases and only breeding dogs that test negative for those.

1. This is factually not true
2. If you are a geneticist- what do you think of this study esp the Inbreeding factor of the Nova Scotia Duck Tolling Retriever? http://dmm.biologists.org/content/9/12/1445#abstract-1

Sorry, but rescues and shelters are absolutely in the puppy mill business. It's incredible that people can't add two and two.

Read "The Dog Merchants: Inside the Big Business of Breeders, Pet Stores, and Rescuers", published in 2017 by Kim Kavin:
https://www.amazon.com/Dog-Merchants-Business-Breeders-Rescuers/dp/1681774046