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Anonymous wrote:It seems like there are three options for moving part of McLean to Langley:

1. Move the Franklin Sherman neighborhoods zoned for McLean to Langley. The advantage is those are the closest McLean neighborhoods to Langley. The disadvantage is that it further concentrates the county's wealthiest at Langley.

2. Move the McLean attendance islands along Route 7 in Vienna from McLean to Langley. The advantage is that it eliminates the islands (and could eliminate a split feeder, at least at Colvin Run). The disadvantage is that Langley is further from those neighborhoods than McLean.

3. Move the Spring Hill and Westgate apartments in Tysons from McLean to Langley. The advantage is that it adds some diversity to Langley. The disadvantage is that those neighborhoods are closer to McLean than Langley.

I'd thought Marshall might be part of the discussion, but the latest CIP indicates that Marshall's program capacity has been increased from 2043 to 2300 kids. With the principal closing the school to new pupil placements, GCM may not be part of any redistricting.

Option #1 is acceptable to Langley residents. However, as parents of Franklin Sherman students, I am against it. I want my kids to be exposed to diversity at Mclean HS, have and have not. No diversity in Langley, unless you include Asians

Option #2 and #3 will not sit well with Langley residents. They don't want "poor" students at their beautiful Langley HS

I am a Langley parent and I think all three options are fine. Please stop making assumptions about what Langley parents prefer, because it's simply not true.

Our elementary is Colvin Run and my kids were disappointed when half their friends split in middle school to attend Longfellow or Kilmer. I have absolutely no objection to pulling into Langley Tysons and parts of Vienna.

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They love to use Langley parents as scapegoats, but no one I know has any issue with moving Tysons/Vienna kids to Langley. It's become this (sub)urban myth that Langley is against that, when the reality is, these decisions are up to the SB, not parents.

I'm not the PP, but let's acknowledge some history:

* One of Janie Strauss's predecessors on the School Board did favors for his neighbors by getting some single-family neighborhoods south of Route 7 in Reston and Herndon moved into the Langley district.

* In the late 1970s, when FCPS proposed to move part of Langley to McLean, parents complained, and a student was quoted in the Washington Post as follows: "Here at Langley we have Jaguars and Corvettes in the parking lot. Over at McLean they have pickups and Chevys."

* In the mid-1980s, when FCPS staff proposed to move some Vienna neighborhoods zoned for Langley to Marshall, the parents persuaded the School Board to move them to McLean instead.

* When the Spring Gate apartments were built in the late 1990s, Janie Strauss got FCPS to make an administrative boundary change that sent the students from those apartments to Marshall rather than McLean.

* In 2011, when running for re-election, Strauss went to Great Falls and touted the fact that she'd kept Langley out of the 2008 boundary study that moved kids from other schools (Westfield, Oakton, and Madison) to South Lakes.

* In 2018, Langley has the least multi-family housing of any neighborhood high school in FCPS and is the only neighborhood high school with less than 3% FARMS.

Given that history, it's not surprising that some think Langley parents might try to cherry-pick which neighborhoods are reassigned. But it's great to hear current Langley parents are open to whatever FCPS decides makes the most sense.

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Anonymous wrote:It seems like there are three options for moving part of McLean to Langley:

1. Move the Franklin Sherman neighborhoods zoned for McLean to Langley. The advantage is those are the closest McLean neighborhoods to Langley. The disadvantage is that it further concentrates the county's wealthiest at Langley.

2. Move the McLean attendance islands along Route 7 in Vienna from McLean to Langley. The advantage is that it eliminates the islands (and could eliminate a split feeder, at least at Colvin Run). The disadvantage is that Langley is further from those neighborhoods than McLean.

3. Move the Spring Hill and Westgate apartments in Tysons from McLean to Langley. The advantage is that it adds some diversity to Langley. The disadvantage is that those neighborhoods are closer to McLean than Langley.

I'd thought Marshall might be part of the discussion, but the latest CIP indicates that Marshall's program capacity has been increased from 2043 to 2300 kids. With the principal closing the school to new pupil placements, GCM may not be part of any redistricting.

Option #1 is acceptable to Langley residents. However, as parents of Franklin Sherman students, I am against it. I want my kids to be exposed to diversity at Mclean HS, have and have not. No diversity in Langley, unless you include Asians

Option #2 and #3 will not sit well with Langley residents. They don't want "poor" students at their beautiful Langley HS

I am a Langley parent and I think all three options are fine. Please stop making assumptions about what Langley parents prefer, because it's simply not true.

Our elementary is Colvin Run and my kids were disappointed when half their friends split in middle school to attend Longfellow or Kilmer. I have absolutely no objection to pulling into Langley Tysons and parts of Vienna.

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They love to use Langley parents as scapegoats, but no one I know has any issue with moving Tysons/Vienna kids to Langley. It's become this (sub)urban myth that Langley is against that, when the reality is, these decisions are up to the SB, not parents.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain why Marshall and Langley have such beautiful buildings while McLean is old and unattractive (and the bathrooms are really bad).

McLean's renovation is over ten years ago. Marshall's is newer and Langley's is just getting done. Go look at Falls Church HS if you want to feel better about McLean's facility.

+1. Falls Church deserves a first-class upgrade when they renovate it. They got a raw deal back in 2008, when FCPS created its renovation queue, because Falls Church was under-enrolled at the time and FCPS assigned higher priority to renovating schools that were at or above-capacity.

Kind of seems like that makes sense, no?

Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain why Marshall and Langley have such beautiful buildings while McLean is old and unattractive (and the bathrooms are really bad).

Just as I thought - McLean was ALREADY renovated, in 2002 - and you expect it to be renovated again?? Langley's ONLY renovation was just completed, and very much overdue as they had never had one.

Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain why Marshall and Langley have such beautiful buildings while McLean is old and unattractive (and the bathrooms are really bad).

Wasn't McLean renovated in the last few years? It's certainly looked a lot better than Langley for some time now. Whenever my kids had activities at McLean, I was always impressed by how nice the building was in comparison to Langley.

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Anonymous wrote:It seems like there are three options for moving part of McLean to Langley:

1. Move the Franklin Sherman neighborhoods zoned for McLean to Langley. The advantage is those are the closest McLean neighborhoods to Langley. The disadvantage is that it further concentrates the county's wealthiest at Langley.

2. Move the McLean attendance islands along Route 7 in Vienna from McLean to Langley. The advantage is that it eliminates the islands (and could eliminate a split feeder, at least at Colvin Run). The disadvantage is that Langley is further from those neighborhoods than McLean.

3. Move the Spring Hill and Westgate apartments in Tysons from McLean to Langley. The advantage is that it adds some diversity to Langley. The disadvantage is that those neighborhoods are closer to McLean than Langley.

I'd thought Marshall might be part of the discussion, but the latest CIP indicates that Marshall's program capacity has been increased from 2043 to 2300 kids. With the principal closing the school to new pupil placements, GCM may not be part of any redistricting.

Option #1 is acceptable to Langley residents. However, as parents of Franklin Sherman students, I am against it. I want my kids to be exposed to diversity at Mclean HS, have and have not. No diversity in Langley, unless you include Asians

Option #2 and #3 will not sit well with Langley residents. They don't want "poor" students at their beautiful Langley HS

I am a Langley parent and I think all three options are fine. Please stop making assumptions about what Langley parents prefer, because it's simply not true.

Our elementary is Colvin Run and my kids were disappointed when half their friends split in middle school to attend Longfellow or Kilmer. I have absolutely no objection to pulling into Langley Tysons and parts of Vienna.

Anonymous wrote:They should move at least a portion of Tysons to Langley.

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Anonymous wrote:I could see them moving the Westbriar island to Langley, especially if the Tysons apartments start throwing more kids to Westbriar. I haven't heard if development has made a big difference in enrollment there, but I know it was a concern at one point.

How long would that bus ride be?

Shorter than the Great Falls drives I assume

Just about anything is shorter than the drive from western Great Falls to Langley. It's a shame the school isn't more centrally located.

The school isn't going anywhere. It was just renovated. The boundaries will go somewhere new.

Obviously. Given its boundaries, though, it’s too bad it’s not closer to Grest Falls Village. That would make life much easier for the kids who have to schlep there from the western part of the county.

Don't worry. Soon they'll be schlepping to Herndon High. I'm guessing this has been expedited as a result of their argument on closing an access point to 495.

Wow, that's really some wishful thinking on your part!

Not really. Herndon is the logical HS for that part of the county. When the planned Western HS gets built. It will happen as Herndon will have room from the students moved to the new HS. It is something that has been known since the western HS has been on the table. That would free up more space for Langley to pick up more of the Tysons overflow that inevitably will come. Eventually the same thing will happen on the other side of Tysons. I foresee Falls Church HS and Madison pulling from Marshall to free up space there.

The projected increase in population in Tysons is 100k people. Tysons will have a much lower % of HS in the pop, there will still be some. Even if it is 1/3 the rate of the rest of the county it would be still is enough for one entire HS. No new HS is slated to be built. All nearby HS will be affected.

Did you see the last cip report? The planning for the new western hs will start in fy2026 and the permitting in fy2028. The construction will take another five years or so.

How many Herndon HS students would actually move to the new school? I would assume all town of Herndon students would stay at Herndon High (like town of Vienna at Madison). The students north of the town of Herndon and in Reston zoned for Herndon HS also probably wouldn't move, as those areas aren't really where a new school is needed or likely to be built. That leaves the area immediately around Hutchison ES that is not in the town of Herndon, and that's about it. But that wouldn't take all that many students out of Herndon High. I don't see how many students would be moving out of Herndon High and creating room for students from Langley.

Not the poster to whom you're responding, but there's only one high school in FCPS that has to take kids from a specific jurisdiction. That's Fairfax HS, which all City of Fairfax students must attend. Clifton, Herndon, and Vienna are towns. They don't own schools, and town residents have no right to stay at their current high schools (Clifton - Robinson; Herndon - Herndon; and Vienna - Madison). Part of the Town of Vienna, for example, went to Oakton at one point.

But I think you're right that the new western HS might only draw from one Herndon feeder. It could also draw from current feeders to Westfield, Oakton, Chantilly and possibly South Lakes. That could open up space at Herndon for Forestville students who currently go to Langley. That is many years away and not part of any solution to the immediate problem of Langley's declining enrollment and overcrowding at McLean.

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Anonymous wrote:I could see them moving the Westbriar island to Langley, especially if the Tysons apartments start throwing more kids to Westbriar. I haven't heard if development has made a big difference in enrollment there, but I know it was a concern at one point.

How long would that bus ride be?

Shorter than the Great Falls drives I assume

Just about anything is shorter than the drive from western Great Falls to Langley. It's a shame the school isn't more centrally located.

The school isn't going anywhere. It was just renovated. The boundaries will go somewhere new.

Obviously. Given its boundaries, though, it’s too bad it’s not closer to Grest Falls Village. That would make life much easier for the kids who have to schlep there from the western part of the county.

Don't worry. Soon they'll be schlepping to Herndon High. I'm guessing this has been expedited as a result of their argument on closing an access point to 495.

Wow, that's really some wishful thinking on your part!

Not really. Herndon is the logical HS for that part of the county. When the planned Western HS gets built. It will happen as Herndon will have room from the students moved to the new HS. It is something that has been known since the western HS has been on the table. That would free up more space for Langley to pick up more of the Tysons overflow that inevitably will come. Eventually the same thing will happen on the other side of Tysons. I foresee Falls Church HS and Madison pulling from Marshall to free up space there.

The projected increase in population in Tysons is 100k people. Tysons will have a much lower % of HS in the pop, there will still be some. Even if it is 1/3 the rate of the rest of the county it would be still is enough for one entire HS. No new HS is slated to be built. All nearby HS will be affected.

Did you see the last cip report? The planning for the new western hs will start in fy2026 and the permitting in fy2028. The construction will take another five years or so.

How many Herndon HS students would actually move to the new school? I would assume all town of Herndon students would stay at Herndon High (like town of Vienna at Madison). The students north of the town of Herndon and in Reston zoned for Herndon HS also probably wouldn't move, as those areas aren't really where a new school is needed or likely to be built. That leaves the area immediately around Hutchison ES that is not in the town of Herndon, and that's about it. But that wouldn't take all that many students out of Herndon High. I don't see how many students would be moving out of Herndon High and creating room for students from Langley.

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Anonymous wrote:I could see them moving the Westbriar island to Langley, especially if the Tysons apartments start throwing more kids to Westbriar. I haven't heard if development has made a big difference in enrollment there, but I know it was a concern at one point.

How long would that bus ride be?

Shorter than the Great Falls drives I assume

Just about anything is shorter than the drive from western Great Falls to Langley. It's a shame the school isn't more centrally located.

The school isn't going anywhere. It was just renovated. The boundaries will go somewhere new.

Obviously. Given its boundaries, though, it’s too bad it’s not closer to Grest Falls Village. That would make life much easier for the kids who have to schlep there from the western part of the county.

Don't worry. Soon they'll be schlepping to Herndon High. I'm guessing this has been expedited as a result of their argument on closing an access point to 495.

Wow, that's really some wishful thinking on your part!

Not really. Herndon is the logical HS for that part of the county. When the planned Western HS gets built. It will happen as Herndon will have room from the students moved to the new HS. It is something that has been known since the western HS has been on the table. That would free up more space for Langley to pick up more of the Tysons overflow that inevitably will come. Eventually the same thing will happen on the other side of Tysons. I foresee Falls Church HS and Madison pulling from Marshall to free up space there.

The projected increase in population in Tysons is 100k people. Tysons will have a much lower % of HS in the pop, there will still be some. Even if it is 1/3 the rate of the rest of the county it would be still is enough for one entire HS. No new HS is slated to be built. All nearby HS will be affected.

Did you see the last cip report? The planning for the new western hs will start in fy2026 and the permitting in fy2028. The construction will take another five years or so.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain why Marshall and Langley have such beautiful buildings while McLean is old and unattractive (and the bathrooms are really bad).

McLean's renovation is over ten years ago. Marshall's is newer and Langley's is just getting done. Go look at Falls Church HS if you want to feel better about McLean's facility.

On the other hand, Longfellow was renovated more recently than Kilmer, and Cooper is still several years away from its renovation.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain why Marshall and Langley have such beautiful buildings while McLean is old and unattractive (and the bathrooms are really bad).

McLean's renovation is over ten years ago. Marshall's is newer and Langley's is just getting done. Go look at Falls Church HS if you want to feel better about McLean's facility.

+1. Falls Church deserves a first-class upgrade when they renovate it. They got a raw deal back in 2008, when FCPS created its renovation queue, because Falls Church was under-enrolled at the time and FCPS assigned higher priority to renovating schools that were at or above-capacity.

Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain why Marshall and Langley have such beautiful buildings while McLean is old and unattractive (and the bathrooms are really bad).

McLean was built in the mid-50s and renovated in the early 00's. Langley and Marshall were built in the mid-60s and renovated within the last five years.

I think McLean's front entrance and library look the nicest (every renovated high school in FCPS now, except TJ, ends up looking the same), but Langley and Marshall have some nice interior spaces, especially Langley.

Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain why Marshall and Langley have such beautiful buildings while McLean is old and unattractive (and the bathrooms are really bad).

McLean's renovation is over ten years ago. Marshall's is newer and Langley's is just getting done. Go look at Falls Church HS if you want to feel better about McLean's facility.

Can someone explain why Marshall and Langley have such beautiful buildings while McLean is old and unattractive (and the bathrooms are really bad).