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Anonymous wrote:It means more jobs going to Fairfax over Maryland. It means no road expansion. It means buses from Frederick that no one will take. It means more people driving on the beltway into Virginia to work at the jobs that won't come to MoCo.

I haven’t noticed an unemployment crisis in MoCo. And making the 270 even wider is ridiculous.

That's because people are working in Northern Virginia. Let me guess, you've never seen the beltway going towards Northern VA in the morning and back to MD in the evening? Let me fill you in, it's horrible. The reverse commute is going VA to MD in the morning and MD to VA in the afternoon. Smooth sailing. The jobs are going to Northern Virginia.

That really isn't the full story. MD has some large employers--Marriott, AstraZeneca/Medimmune, Hyatt, Medstar, etc.--but Northern Virginia has the vast majority of the federal government infrastructure and defense contractors, outside of NSA (which obviously doesn't impact MoCo). That's the real difference maker, and it's a legacy from decades ago. Combine that with the fact that MoCo development has been very different than Northern VA (ag reserve taking up half the county vs unfettered concrete jungle) and you get what we have now. If you want MoCo to really compete with Northern Virginia on the jobs front, get rid of the ag reserve and give incentives for the federal government to build there.

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No way. All of DC - a short drive or metro ride away - is filled with government and industry jobs, we don’t need to pave over our county to have government complexes built. Not only that but the trend is to spread government jobs spread throughout the country, not clustered in DC. If anything govt jobs will be leaving.

Ever been to Gaithersburg? Tons of Pharma companies there. We’re doing fine jobs wise what we need is more transportation options for this whole area.

Seems like a major problem is that people don’t want to live in Virginia (they just want to commute there) so how is making MoCo into the Virginia going to help that?

Wasn't suggesting we pave everything. I think their reasoning simply explains why things are this way. Personally like the ag reserve.

So glad that Elrich won big, even with two challengers. Also glad that Greater Greater Washington showed its "endorsement" to be hollow. GGW is mostly a group of self-styled urbanists who blog from their mothers' basements, believing that the world owes them their own subsidized modern glass flats on U Street.

Elrich supporters are mostly old white baby-boomers who cling to the idea of driving everywhere and shopping in antiquated 1960's strip malls. The joke will be on them, when it's time for the nursing home, and they can't sell their outdated houses for much, since the younger generations will have moved and established themselves in NOVA or DC. Places that offer higher paying jobs, and have plenty of development going on.

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Anonymous wrote:It means more jobs going to Fairfax over Maryland. It means no road expansion. It means buses from Frederick that no one will take. It means more people driving on the beltway into Virginia to work at the jobs that won't come to MoCo.

I haven’t noticed an unemployment crisis in MoCo. And making the 270 even wider is ridiculous.

That's because people are working in Northern Virginia. Let me guess, you've never seen the beltway going towards Northern VA in the morning and back to MD in the evening? Let me fill you in, it's horrible. The reverse commute is going VA to MD in the morning and MD to VA in the afternoon. Smooth sailing. The jobs are going to Northern Virginia.

That really isn't the full story. MD has some large employers--Marriott, AstraZeneca/Medimmune, Hyatt, Medstar, etc.--but Northern Virginia has the vast majority of the federal government infrastructure and defense contractors, outside of NSA (which obviously doesn't impact MoCo). That's the real difference maker, and it's a legacy from decades ago. Combine that with the fact that MoCo development has been very different than Northern VA (ag reserve taking up half the county vs unfettered concrete jungle) and you get what we have now. If you want MoCo to really compete with Northern Virginia on the jobs front, get rid of the ag reserve and give incentives for the federal government to build there.

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Not at all. NoVa has many parks, and much of MoCo is every bit as much of a "concrete jungle" as NoVa (I can't think of any part of NoVa, even Tysons, that is as ugly as Rockville Pike is now).

I take it you’ve never driven on Braddock headed towards PWC?

Braddock crosses into Loudoun, not Prince William. While it’s congested, it’s neither as congested nor ugly as Rockville Pike.

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Anonymous wrote:It means more jobs going to Fairfax over Maryland. It means no road expansion. It means buses from Frederick that no one will take. It means more people driving on the beltway into Virginia to work at the jobs that won't come to MoCo.

I haven’t noticed an unemployment crisis in MoCo. And making the 270 even wider is ridiculous.

That's because people are working in Northern Virginia. Let me guess, you've never seen the beltway going towards Northern VA in the morning and back to MD in the evening? Let me fill you in, it's horrible. The reverse commute is going VA to MD in the morning and MD to VA in the afternoon. Smooth sailing. The jobs are going to Northern Virginia.

That really isn't the full story. MD has some large employers--Marriott, AstraZeneca/Medimmune, Hyatt, Medstar, etc.--but Northern Virginia has the vast majority of the federal government infrastructure and defense contractors, outside of NSA (which obviously doesn't impact MoCo). That's the real difference maker, and it's a legacy from decades ago. Combine that with the fact that MoCo development has been very different than Northern VA (ag reserve taking up half the county vs unfettered concrete jungle) and you get what we have now. If you want MoCo to really compete with Northern Virginia on the jobs front, get rid of the ag reserve and give incentives for the federal government to build there.

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No way. All of DC - a short drive or metro ride away - is filled with government and industry jobs, we don’t need to pave over our county to have government complexes built. Not only that but the trend is to spread government jobs spread throughout the country, not clustered in DC. If anything govt jobs will be leaving.

Ever been to Gaithersburg? Tons of Pharma companies there. We’re doing fine jobs wise what we need is more transportation options for this whole area.

Seems like a major problem is that people don’t want to live in Virginia (they just want to commute there) so how is making MoCo into the Virginia going to help that?

Wasn't suggesting we pave everything. I think their reasoning simply explains why things are this way. Personally like the ag reserve.

So glad that Elrich won big, even with two challengers. Also glad that Greater Greater Washington showed its "endorsement" to be hollow. GGW is mostly a group of self-styled urbanists who blog from their mothers' basements, believing that the world owes them their own subsidized modern glass flats on U Street.

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Anonymous wrote:It means more jobs going to Fairfax over Maryland. It means no road expansion. It means buses from Frederick that no one will take. It means more people driving on the beltway into Virginia to work at the jobs that won't come to MoCo.

I haven’t noticed an unemployment crisis in MoCo. And making the 270 even wider is ridiculous.

That's because people are working in Northern Virginia. Let me guess, you've never seen the beltway going towards Northern VA in the morning and back to MD in the evening? Let me fill you in, it's horrible. The reverse commute is going VA to MD in the morning and MD to VA in the afternoon. Smooth sailing. The jobs are going to Northern Virginia.

That really isn't the full story. MD has some large employers--Marriott, AstraZeneca/Medimmune, Hyatt, Medstar, etc.--but Northern Virginia has the vast majority of the federal government infrastructure and defense contractors, outside of NSA (which obviously doesn't impact MoCo). That's the real difference maker, and it's a legacy from decades ago. Combine that with the fact that MoCo development has been very different than Northern VA (ag reserve taking up half the county vs unfettered concrete jungle) and you get what we have now. If you want MoCo to really compete with Northern Virginia on the jobs front, get rid of the ag reserve and give incentives for the federal government to build there.

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Not at all. NoVa has many parks, and much of MoCo is every bit as much of a "concrete jungle" as NoVa (I can't think of any part of NoVa, even Tysons, that is as ugly as Rockville Pike is now).

I take it you’ve never driven on Braddock headed towards PWC?

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Anonymous wrote:It means more jobs going to Fairfax over Maryland. It means no road expansion. It means buses from Frederick that no one will take. It means more people driving on the beltway into Virginia to work at the jobs that won't come to MoCo.

I haven’t noticed an unemployment crisis in MoCo. And making the 270 even wider is ridiculous.

That's because people are working in Northern Virginia. Let me guess, you've never seen the beltway going towards Northern VA in the morning and back to MD in the evening? Let me fill you in, it's horrible. The reverse commute is going VA to MD in the morning and MD to VA in the afternoon. Smooth sailing. The jobs are going to Northern Virginia.

That really isn't the full story. MD has some large employers--Marriott, AstraZeneca/Medimmune, Hyatt, Medstar, etc.--but Northern Virginia has the vast majority of the federal government infrastructure and defense contractors, outside of NSA (which obviously doesn't impact MoCo). That's the real difference maker, and it's a legacy from decades ago. Combine that with the fact that MoCo development has been very different than Northern VA (ag reserve taking up half the county vs unfettered concrete jungle) and you get what we have now. If you want MoCo to really compete with Northern Virginia on the jobs front, get rid of the ag reserve and give incentives for the federal government to build there.

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No way. All of DC - a short drive or metro ride away - is filled with government and industry jobs, we don’t need to pave over our county to have government complexes built. Not only that but the trend is to spread government jobs spread throughout the country, not clustered in DC. If anything govt jobs will be leaving.

Ever been to Gaithersburg? Tons of Pharma companies there. We’re doing fine jobs wise what we need is more transportation options for this whole area.

Seems like a major problem is that people don’t want to live in Virginia (they just want to commute there) so how is making MoCo into the Virginia going to help that?

Wasn't suggesting we pave everything. I think their reasoning simply explains why things are this way. Personally like the ag reserve.

So glad that Elrich won big, even with two challengers. Also glad that Greater Greater Washington showed its "endorsement" to be hollow. GGW is mostly a group of self-styled urbanists who blog from their mothers' basements, believing that the world owes them their own subsidized modern glass flats on U Street.

Elrich supporters are mostly old white baby-boomers who cling to the idea of driving everywhere and shopping in antiquated 1960's strip malls. The joke will be on them, when it's time for the nursing home, and they can't sell their outdated houses for much, since the younger generations will have moved and established themselves in NOVA or DC. Places that offer higher paying jobs, and have plenty of development going on.

Ha! So now the GGW echo chamber posits that absent 'plenty of development,' the NIMBYs who eschew their pro-Big Development agenda will face a future of not being able to sell their 'outdated houses for much.' Most of the time the echo chamber decries the high price of housing, and blames the NIMBYs. And the GGW magic elixir for that? Well, "plenty of development."

I hate GGW. They're a developer shill. All they want is unfettered development without regard to its impact and certainly overcrowded schools and insufficient infrastructure is your problem.

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Anonymous wrote:It means more jobs going to Fairfax over Maryland. It means no road expansion. It means buses from Frederick that no one will take. It means more people driving on the beltway into Virginia to work at the jobs that won't come to MoCo.

I haven’t noticed an unemployment crisis in MoCo. And making the 270 even wider is ridiculous.

That's because people are working in Northern Virginia. Let me guess, you've never seen the beltway going towards Northern VA in the morning and back to MD in the evening? Let me fill you in, it's horrible. The reverse commute is going VA to MD in the morning and MD to VA in the afternoon. Smooth sailing. The jobs are going to Northern Virginia.

That really isn't the full story. MD has some large employers--Marriott, AstraZeneca/Medimmune, Hyatt, Medstar, etc.--but Northern Virginia has the vast majority of the federal government infrastructure and defense contractors, outside of NSA (which obviously doesn't impact MoCo). That's the real difference maker, and it's a legacy from decades ago. Combine that with the fact that MoCo development has been very different than Northern VA (ag reserve taking up half the county vs unfettered concrete jungle) and you get what we have now. If you want MoCo to really compete with Northern Virginia on the jobs front, get rid of the ag reserve and give incentives for the federal government to build there.

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No way. All of DC - a short drive or metro ride away - is filled with government and industry jobs, we don’t need to pave over our county to have government complexes built. Not only that but the trend is to spread government jobs spread throughout the country, not clustered in DC. If anything govt jobs will be leaving.

Ever been to Gaithersburg? Tons of Pharma companies there. We’re doing fine jobs wise what we need is more transportation options for this whole area.

Seems like a major problem is that people don’t want to live in Virginia (they just want to commute there) so how is making MoCo into the Virginia going to help that?

Wasn't suggesting we pave everything. I think their reasoning simply explains why things are this way. Personally like the ag reserve.

So glad that Elrich won big, even with two challengers. Also glad that Greater Greater Washington showed its "endorsement" to be hollow. GGW is mostly a group of self-styled urbanists who blog from their mothers' basements, believing that the world owes them their own subsidized modern glass flats on U Street.

Elrich supporters are mostly old white baby-boomers who cling to the idea of driving everywhere and shopping in antiquated 1960's strip malls. The joke will be on them, when it's time for the nursing home, and they can't sell their outdated houses for much, since the younger generations will have moved and established themselves in NOVA or DC. Places that offer higher paying jobs, and have plenty of development going on.

Ha! So now the GGW echo chamber posits that absent 'plenty of development,' the NIMBYs who eschew their pro-Big Development agenda will face a future of not being able to sell their 'outdated houses for much.' Most of the time the echo chamber decries the high price of housing, and blames the NIMBYs. And the GGW magic elixir for that? Well, "plenty of development."

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Anonymous wrote:It means more jobs going to Fairfax over Maryland. It means no road expansion. It means buses from Frederick that no one will take. It means more people driving on the beltway into Virginia to work at the jobs that won't come to MoCo.

I haven’t noticed an unemployment crisis in MoCo. And making the 270 even wider is ridiculous.

That's because people are working in Northern Virginia. Let me guess, you've never seen the beltway going towards Northern VA in the morning and back to MD in the evening? Let me fill you in, it's horrible. The reverse commute is going VA to MD in the morning and MD to VA in the afternoon. Smooth sailing. The jobs are going to Northern Virginia.

That really isn't the full story. MD has some large employers--Marriott, AstraZeneca/Medimmune, Hyatt, Medstar, etc.--but Northern Virginia has the vast majority of the federal government infrastructure and defense contractors, outside of NSA (which obviously doesn't impact MoCo). That's the real difference maker, and it's a legacy from decades ago. Combine that with the fact that MoCo development has been very different than Northern VA (ag reserve taking up half the county vs unfettered concrete jungle) and you get what we have now. If you want MoCo to really compete with Northern Virginia on the jobs front, get rid of the ag reserve and give incentives for the federal government to build there.

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Not at all. NoVa has many parks, and much of MoCo is every bit as much of a "concrete jungle" as NoVa (I can't think of any part of NoVa, even Tysons, that is as ugly as Rockville Pike is now).

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Anonymous wrote:It means more jobs going to Fairfax over Maryland. It means no road expansion. It means buses from Frederick that no one will take. It means more people driving on the beltway into Virginia to work at the jobs that won't come to MoCo.

I haven’t noticed an unemployment crisis in MoCo. And making the 270 even wider is ridiculous.

That's because people are working in Northern Virginia. Let me guess, you've never seen the beltway going towards Northern VA in the morning and back to MD in the evening? Let me fill you in, it's horrible. The reverse commute is going VA to MD in the morning and MD to VA in the afternoon. Smooth sailing. The jobs are going to Northern Virginia.

That really isn't the full story. MD has some large employers--Marriott, AstraZeneca/Medimmune, Hyatt, Medstar, etc.--but Northern Virginia has the vast majority of the federal government infrastructure and defense contractors, outside of NSA (which obviously doesn't impact MoCo). That's the real difference maker, and it's a legacy from decades ago. Combine that with the fact that MoCo development has been very different than Northern VA (ag reserve taking up half the county vs unfettered concrete jungle) and you get what we have now. If you want MoCo to really compete with Northern Virginia on the jobs front, get rid of the ag reserve and give incentives for the federal government to build there.

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No way. All of DC - a short drive or metro ride away - is filled with government and industry jobs, we don’t need to pave over our county to have government complexes built. Not only that but the trend is to spread government jobs spread throughout the country, not clustered in DC. If anything govt jobs will be leaving.

Ever been to Gaithersburg? Tons of Pharma companies there. We’re doing fine jobs wise what we need is more transportation options for this whole area.

Seems like a major problem is that people don’t want to live in Virginia (they just want to commute there) so how is making MoCo into the Virginia going to help that?

Wasn't suggesting we pave everything. I think their reasoning simply explains why things are this way. Personally like the ag reserve.

So glad that Elrich won big, even with two challengers. Also glad that Greater Greater Washington showed its "endorsement" to be hollow. GGW is mostly a group of self-styled urbanists who blog from their mothers' basements, believing that the world owes them their own subsidized modern glass flats on U Street.

Elrich supporters are mostly old white baby-boomers who cling to the idea of driving everywhere and shopping in antiquated 1960's strip malls. The joke will be on them, when it's time for the nursing home, and they can't sell their outdated houses for much, since the younger generations will have moved and established themselves in NOVA or DC. Places that offer higher paying jobs, and have plenty of development going on.

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Anonymous wrote:It means more jobs going to Fairfax over Maryland. It means no road expansion. It means buses from Frederick that no one will take. It means more people driving on the beltway into Virginia to work at the jobs that won't come to MoCo.

I haven’t noticed an unemployment crisis in MoCo. And making the 270 even wider is ridiculous.

That's because people are working in Northern Virginia. Let me guess, you've never seen the beltway going towards Northern VA in the morning and back to MD in the evening? Let me fill you in, it's horrible. The reverse commute is going VA to MD in the morning and MD to VA in the afternoon. Smooth sailing. The jobs are going to Northern Virginia.

That really isn't the full story. MD has some large employers--Marriott, AstraZeneca/Medimmune, Hyatt, Medstar, etc.--but Northern Virginia has the vast majority of the federal government infrastructure and defense contractors, outside of NSA (which obviously doesn't impact MoCo). That's the real difference maker, and it's a legacy from decades ago. Combine that with the fact that MoCo development has been very different than Northern VA (ag reserve taking up half the county vs unfettered concrete jungle) and you get what we have now. If you want MoCo to really compete with Northern Virginia on the jobs front, get rid of the ag reserve and give incentives for the federal government to build there.

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No way. All of DC - a short drive or metro ride away - is filled with government and industry jobs, we don’t need to pave over our county to have government complexes built. Not only that but the trend is to spread government jobs spread throughout the country, not clustered in DC. If anything govt jobs will be leaving.

Ever been to Gaithersburg? Tons of Pharma companies there. We’re doing fine jobs wise what we need is more transportation options for this whole area.

Seems like a major problem is that people don’t want to live in Virginia (they just want to commute there) so how is making MoCo into the Virginia going to help that?

Wasn't suggesting we pave everything. I think their reasoning simply explains why things are this way. Personally like the ag reserve.

So glad that Elrich won big, even with two challengers. Also glad that Greater Greater Washington showed its "endorsement" to be hollow. GGW is mostly a group of self-styled urbanists who blog from their mothers' basements, believing that the world owes them their own subsidized modern glass flats on U Street.

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Anonymous wrote:It means more jobs going to Fairfax over Maryland. It means no road expansion. It means buses from Frederick that no one will take. It means more people driving on the beltway into Virginia to work at the jobs that won't come to MoCo.

I haven’t noticed an unemployment crisis in MoCo. And making the 270 even wider is ridiculous.

That's because people are working in Northern Virginia. Let me guess, you've never seen the beltway going towards Northern VA in the morning and back to MD in the evening? Let me fill you in, it's horrible. The reverse commute is going VA to MD in the morning and MD to VA in the afternoon. Smooth sailing. The jobs are going to Northern Virginia.

That really isn't the full story. MD has some large employers--Marriott, AstraZeneca/Medimmune, Hyatt, Medstar, etc.--but Northern Virginia has the vast majority of the federal government infrastructure and defense contractors, outside of NSA (which obviously doesn't impact MoCo). That's the real difference maker, and it's a legacy from decades ago. Combine that with the fact that MoCo development has been very different than Northern VA (ag reserve taking up half the county vs unfettered concrete jungle) and you get what we have now. If you want MoCo to really compete with Northern Virginia on the jobs front, get rid of the ag reserve and give incentives for the federal government to build there.

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No way. All of DC - a short drive or metro ride away - is filled with government and industry jobs, we don’t need to pave over our county to have government complexes built. Not only that but the trend is to spread government jobs spread throughout the country, not clustered in DC. If anything govt jobs will be leaving.

Ever been to Gaithersburg? Tons of Pharma companies there. We’re doing fine jobs wise what we need is more transportation options for this whole area.

Seems like a major problem is that people don’t want to live in Virginia (they just want to commute there) so how is making MoCo into the Virginia going to help that?

Wasn't suggesting we pave everything. I think their reasoning simply explains why things are this way. Personally like the ag reserve.

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Anonymous wrote:It means more jobs going to Fairfax over Maryland. It means no road expansion. It means buses from Frederick that no one will take. It means more people driving on the beltway into Virginia to work at the jobs that won't come to MoCo.

I haven’t noticed an unemployment crisis in MoCo. And making the 270 even wider is ridiculous.

That's because people are working in Northern Virginia. Let me guess, you've never seen the beltway going towards Northern VA in the morning and back to MD in the evening? Let me fill you in, it's horrible. The reverse commute is going VA to MD in the morning and MD to VA in the afternoon. Smooth sailing. The jobs are going to Northern Virginia.

That really isn't the full story. MD has some large employers--Marriott, AstraZeneca/Medimmune, Hyatt, Medstar, etc.--but Northern Virginia has the vast majority of the federal government infrastructure and defense contractors, outside of NSA (which obviously doesn't impact MoCo). That's the real difference maker, and it's a legacy from decades ago. Combine that with the fact that MoCo development has been very different than Northern VA (ag reserve taking up half the county vs unfettered concrete jungle) and you get what we have now. If you want MoCo to really compete with Northern Virginia on the jobs front, get rid of the ag reserve and give incentives for the federal government to build there.

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