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Anonymous wrote:Yes. And that is why has overheating is a risk factor for SIDs.

Pardon? What exactly are you trying to say?

Cooler room lower the risk of SIDS. The hypothesis is that warmer babies are sometimes unable to arouse themselves when necessary. They have higher rates of SIDS. That is why they believe SIDS rates go up in the winter. People put too much clothing on their babies.

We should see what exactly the baby was wearing, and what else was in the crib. Perhaps there were loose blankets and pillows. Perhaps toys and stuffed animals. What temperature was the room? We really have no clue.

No. This is based on actual studies. They do know. Increased temperature is associated with higher rates of SIDS.

And this is SIDS, not suffocation, which is what stuffed animals and blankets would cause.

How exactly is SIDS defined?

Sudden death of child under 1 with no known cause after investigation. It excludes deaths by suffocation.

But there’s no way to know because about half the time the parents present at the ED with the deceased baby. I’d venture that 100% of the time the parents touch/move/try to rouse the baby before calling 911, so investigators rarely see the scene as it was when the baby died.

Oh, for god's sake. There are forensic tests for suffocation, such as the presence of microscopic fibers in the airway, as well as characteristic hemorrhages in the conjunctiva, patterns of edematous change in the airway, etc.

Please don't assume other people who do this for a living don't know what they are doing, just because you don't know what you don't know. That is why there is research, done by professionals, and that is more than just "Google PhD."

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Anonymous wrote:OP, you are deranged.

We kept our son is in a refrigerator bag next to the bag so we could just roll over and grab one. He’s been a champion sleeper since day one.

Why are you so determined to find evidence to support your completely random theory that bottles must be warmed? Is it just a desire to make bottlefeeding more difficult for new parents?

The answer is yes- that is exactly what she is trying to do. To make formula feeding more difficult, to shame mothers into believing their formula must be as close to 98.6 degrees as possible because that's what breastmilk comes out of the body as. And any other temperature is either damaging to the baby's health or sleep patterns or GI tract in some way, or when that's shot down, any other temperature just isn't as soothing or yummy tasting. How to solve this problem? Just breastfeed! I can't stand people like her.

So weird! Every baby is different. Every family is different. As long as everyone gets fed, who cares? There are certainly a million other more pressing problems to address. And no parent has ever proved his or her love through the temperature of formula. This is just not a thing. It just does not matter. You are not doing anything beneficial by giving your kid 98.6 formula v 72 formula. It isn’t cozier or better for digestion. It isn’t anything. Except really really weird. Like someone who is really old and didn’t make it out of 7th grade.

Why are you guys trying to put in breastfeeding in a thread where it has NOT EVEN BEEN SUGGESTED? Are you that obsessed with labeling people as "BF Nazis" and "formula-shamers," etc.? Why are you looking for problems?

Anyway, ***I used formula with both of my babies*** but always warmed, when possible. It's what my pediatrician suggested, it's what the doctors and nurses and even the LC at the hospital suggested, it's what every baby book I ever read suggested. If you don't want to warm formula, then freaking don't. But stop acting like the idea to do so comes from thin air. Yes, it is OK NOT TO. WE GET THAT. But a lot of doctors, nurses, LCs and authors of baby books suggest that you do.

Whatever!

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. And that is why has overheating is a risk factor for SIDs.

Pardon? What exactly are you trying to say?

Cooler room lower the risk of SIDS. The hypothesis is that warmer babies are sometimes unable to arouse themselves when necessary. They have higher rates of SIDS. That is why they believe SIDS rates go up in the winter. People put too much clothing on their babies.

We should see what exactly the baby was wearing, and what else was in the crib. Perhaps there were loose blankets and pillows. Perhaps toys and stuffed animals. What temperature was the room? We really have no clue.

No. This is based on actual studies. They do know. Increased temperature is associated with higher rates of SIDS.

And this is SIDS, not suffocation, which is what stuffed animals and blankets would cause.

How exactly is SIDS defined?

Sudden death of child under 1 with no known cause after investigation. It excludes deaths by suffocation.

But there’s no way to know because about half the time the parents present at the ED with the deceased baby. I’d venture that 100% of the time the parents touch/move/try to rouse the baby before calling 911, so investigators rarely see the scene as it was when the baby died.

They do autopsies and call determine if it is suffocation.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, you are deranged.

We kept our son is in a refrigerator bag next to the bag so we could just roll over and grab one. He’s been a champion sleeper since day one.

Why are you so determined to find evidence to support your completely random theory that bottles must be warmed? Is it just a desire to make bottlefeeding more difficult for new parents?

I know this is an auto-correct error, but it's f'in awesome...especially for this threat. Thanks for the chuckle!

Another great auto-correct!

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. And that is why has overheating is a risk factor for SIDs.

Pardon? What exactly are you trying to say?

Cooler room lower the risk of SIDS. The hypothesis is that warmer babies are sometimes unable to arouse themselves when necessary. They have higher rates of SIDS. That is why they believe SIDS rates go up in the winter. People put too much clothing on their babies.

We should see what exactly the baby was wearing, and what else was in the crib. Perhaps there were loose blankets and pillows. Perhaps toys and stuffed animals. What temperature was the room? We really have no clue.

No. This is based on actual studies. They do know. Increased temperature is associated with higher rates of SIDS.

And this is SIDS, not suffocation, which is what stuffed animals and blankets would cause.

How exactly is SIDS defined?

Sudden death of child under 1 with no known cause after investigation. It excludes deaths by suffocation.

But there’s no way to know because about half the time the parents present at the ED with the deceased baby. I’d venture that 100% of the time the parents touch/move/try to rouse the baby before calling 911, so investigators rarely see the scene as it was when the baby died.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, you are deranged.

We kept our son is in a refrigerator bag next to the bag so we could just roll over and grab one. He’s been a champion sleeper since day one.

Why are you so determined to find evidence to support your completely random theory that bottles must be warmed? Is it just a desire to make bottlefeeding more difficult for new parents?

The answer is yes- that is exactly what she is trying to do. To make formula feeding more difficult, to shame mothers into believing their formula must be as close to 98.6 degrees as possible because that's what breastmilk comes out of the body as. And any other temperature is either damaging to the baby's health or sleep patterns or GI tract in some way, or when that's shot down, any other temperature just isn't as soothing or yummy tasting. How to solve this problem? Just breastfeed! I can't stand people like her.

So weird! Every baby is different. Every family is different. As long as everyone gets fed, who cares? There are certainly a million other more pressing problems to address. And no parent has ever proved his or her love through the temperature of formula. This is just not a thing. It just does not matter. You are not doing anything beneficial by giving your kid 98.6 formula v 72 formula. It isn’t cozier or better for digestion. It isn’t anything. Except really really weird. Like someone who is really old and didn’t make it out of 7th grade.

Anonymous wrote:OP, you are deranged.

We kept our son is in a refrigerator bag next to the bag so we could just roll over and grab one. He’s been a champion sleeper since day one.

Why are you so determined to find evidence to support your completely random theory that bottles must be warmed? Is it just a desire to make bottlefeeding more difficult for new parents?

The answer is yes- that is exactly what she is trying to do. To make formula feeding more difficult, to shame mothers into believing their formula must be as close to 98.6 degrees as possible because that's what breastmilk comes out of the body as. And any other temperature is either damaging to the baby's health or sleep patterns or GI tract in some way, or when that's shot down, any other temperature just isn't as soothing or yummy tasting. How to solve this problem? Just breastfeed! I can't stand people like her.

Anonymous wrote:OP, you are deranged.

We kept our son is in a refrigerator bag next to the bag so we could just roll over and grab one. He’s been a champion sleeper since day one.

Why are you so determined to find evidence to support your completely random theory that bottles must be warmed? Is it just a desire to make bottlefeeding more difficult for new parents?

I know this is an auto-correct error, but it's f'in awesome...especially for this threat. Thanks for the chuckle!

I think sleeping in the colder room is better sleeping, but not for newborns perhaps. Both my kids were babies in tropical climate, one slept like an angel, and the other didn't sleep at all, like none, on my chest, terrible sleeping...Of course, she also had insane GERD. I do know that in my culture we think drinking ice cold water is bad for you.... and that Pakistani culture thinks swaddling and having a baby really warm is a thing, that Russians and Scandinavians let their babies sleep outside for naps. that my mom thought my DD would get an infection of the ovaries for walking barefoot in the summer....you know, in fact you can probably find any kind of ideas from any culture.... Do what you think is right is the best advice.

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Anonymous wrote:In Scandinavian countries, outdoor napping is a thing for babies:

https://activeforlife.com/outdoor-napping-for-babies/

If I recall correctly, they slept better in the cool air. I don't think there was commentary on the feeds, though.

I'd be surprised if they gave the babies cold milk. They just don't do that in Europe.

By "cold milk," do you mean "refrigerator-cold milk" or "room temperature formula"? They serve most beer at room temperature, so I'd be surprised if Europeans are refrigerating unopened ready-to-feed formula.

There are also several threads at pregnancyforum.co.uk touching on what proportion of cold water to add to make it room temperature when mixing up powdered formula, so I guess you mean refrigerator-cold.

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Anonymous wrote:In Scandinavian countries, outdoor napping is a thing for babies:

https://activeforlife.com/outdoor-napping-for-babies/

If I recall correctly, they slept better in the cool air. I don't think there was commentary on the feeds, though.

I'd be surprised if they gave the babies cold milk. They just don't do that in Europe.

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"Peter Wolff, a well-known pediatrician and researcher who completed countless studies of newborns and their behavior, observed that temperature has an important effect on the amount of time babies sleep and on their crying. Babies kept at warmer temperatures, he found, cried less and slept more than those subjected to cooler environments."
Obviously, do NOT overheat.

Wondering if there may be a correlation between your baby's sleep difficulties and the fairly recent practice giving babies bottles that haven't been warmed. Am also thinking that warming the bottle may reduce the risk of colic.

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Obviously, do NOT overheat.

But a "warm room" is overheating, in this context. Cuddlier is not necessarily safer or better.

You can't just move the goalposts and make it mean whatever you want, you know. ???

What "warm room" are you talking about? 70 degrees?

The first question is what OP means by "warm." Presumably, by quoting Wolff in the first post, she is promoting his ideas (also from back in the 1960s and 1970s, by the way -- before SIDS was even defined). Wolff's proposed ideal temperatures do not stand up well to the data we have regarding bet practices to reduce SIDS.

You don't even know what his "proposed temperature" was, so what are you talking about?

On the contrary, I have a copy of "Sucking patterns of infant mammals" from the 1968 Brain, Behavior and Evolution. I highly doubt you do.

I suspect OP has been just pulling things from Google to support her preconceptions, without evaluating them critically. I'd actually be thrilled to be proven wrong. Please, do it.

OP, you are deranged.

We kept our son is in a refrigerator bag next to the bag so we could just roll over and grab one. He’s been a champion sleeper since day one.

Why are you so determined to find evidence to support your completely random theory that bottles must be warmed? Is it just a desire to make bottlefeeding more difficult for new parents?

Anonymous wrote:In Scandinavian countries, outdoor napping is a thing for babies:

https://activeforlife.com/outdoor-napping-for-babies/

I love this! Thank you.

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"Peter Wolff, a well-known pediatrician and researcher who completed countless studies of newborns and their behavior, observed that temperature has an important effect on the amount of time babies sleep and on their crying. Babies kept at warmer temperatures, he found, cried less and slept more than those subjected to cooler environments."
Obviously, do NOT overheat.

Wondering if there may be a correlation between your baby's sleep difficulties and the fairly recent practice giving babies bottles that haven't been warmed. Am also thinking that warming the bottle may reduce the risk of colic.

Repeat:
Obviously, do NOT overheat.

But a "warm room" is overheating, in this context. Cuddlier is not necessarily safer or better.

You can't just move the goalposts and make it mean whatever you want, you know. ???

What "warm room" are you talking about? 70 degrees?

The first question is what OP means by "warm." Presumably, by quoting Wolff in the first post, she is promoting his ideas (also from back in the 1960s and 1970s, by the way -- before SIDS was even defined). Wolff's proposed ideal temperatures do not stand up well to the data we have regarding bet practices to reduce SIDS.

You don't even know what his "proposed temperature" was, so what are you talking about?