Anonymous wrote:They need to raise the max cap to $150K for families in NOVA.

Confused. What are you talking about?

They need to raise the max cap to $150K for families in NOVA.

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Anonymous wrote:This is part of the point — uva for a public school does not do much to advance economic status of their grads. From the nyt report a few years ago:

UCLA—https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/projects/college-mobility/university-of-california-los-angeles

UVA — https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/projects/college-mobility/university-of-virginia

More students from the top 20%, among the lowest in economic advancement of their grads (because their grads are already privileged).


Also, for the booster saying that 35% of uva is students of color — here are the diversity breakdowns: http://diversitydata.virginia.edu/ For a state that is almost 20% black, having so few (6%) black students is an embarrassment.

It would make a difference if you know how many of those black people were high school students. You can’t just say a University needs to reflect the demographics of the state exactly. You need to look at the high school population and then the segment within that group that is college-bound.

Correct. And the class of 2022 is 34% of color. "In terms of applicant diversity, Katsouleas said the Class of 2022 was the most diverse ever with 34 percent of enrolled applicants being students of color, including 349 African American or multiracial students" http://www.cavalierdaily.com/article/2018/06/class...presented-to-board-of-visitors

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Anonymous wrote:Courtesy of NOVA full pay families

Full freight suckers have been subsidizing others for decades.

And none of the Virginia students are full freight.

Huh? We're instate and paying full freight. I don't know any Virginians who have merit or financial aid. There is almost no merit aid at UVA with the exception of the privately-run Jefferson Scholars. As to financial aid, FAFSA says we don't qualify. And we're not rich and DD's friends at UVA are not wealthy.

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Anonymous wrote:Yep, same question I had for Bernie: Who's paying?

Presumably the endowment. You got a problem with that?

9.5 billion - that's twice what UCLA and Berkeley's endowments are. UVA meets 100% need as established by FAFSA. The new programs to help low and middle-income families will go a long way to help the donut hole families. Those families do not qualify for any aid via FAFSA but still can't afford a $35,000 in-state or $65K OOS price tag.

Anonymous wrote:This is part of the point — uva for a public school does not do much to advance economic status of their grads. From the nyt report a few years ago:

UCLA—https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/projects/college-mobility/university-of-california-los-angeles

UVA — https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/projects/college-mobility/university-of-virginia

More students from the top 20%, among the lowest in economic advancement of their grads (because their grads are already privileged).


Also, for the booster saying that 35% of uva is students of color — here are the diversity breakdowns: http://diversitydata.virginia.edu/ For a state that is almost 20% black, having so few (6%) black students is an embarrassment.

It would make a difference if you know how many of those black people were high school students. You can’t just say a University needs to reflect the demographics of the state exactly. You need to look at the high school population and then the segment within that group that is college-bound.

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Anonymous wrote:Courtesy of NOVA full pay families

Full freight suckers have been subsidizing others for decades.

And none of the Virginia students are full freight.

Anonymous wrote:Is this 2/3 in-state to 1/3 OOS ratio "pledge" coming from UVA or is it coming from the General Assembly?
When I see multiple acceptances from one wealthy Florida high school, I am going to assume that the accepted students are footing the entire bill, especially when I have a family member living in that particular community. I know that anecdotes are not data, thanks in advance.

UVA was spun off as a self-sustaining entity in 2005. It receives less than 5% from the Commonwealth of Virginia. It managed to invest so wisely that its 9.5B endowment is now twice that of UCLA and Berkeley's so it can afford the new programs for low-income and middle-income families in addition to the break on tuition for in-state. It has pledged one-third OOS/ two-thirds in-state for as long as I can remember. That number does not change. I imagine the new President and Rectors could change that but it would require a board vote. If it were to change, the push would be to increase the number of in-state seats, not OSS. Every year Nova legislators put in bills to increase the number of seats for Nova students to UVA but the bills never go anywhere. With UCLA and Berkeley moving to 80/20 in-state/OOS, and Texas at a flat ten percent rule, it will be interesting to see where UVA goes. If it reduces the OOS number, it will lose some of the diversity it has with students from all 50 states and 147 nations. But the Virginians will be happy to see more seats opened up.

As to one "wealthy" Florida school, UVA does need students from all 50 states. Many students from all 50 states aiming for Ivies use UVA as a safety. UVA does not practice yield protection so if the students have the stats, ECs and offer geographical diversity, that's helpful to admissions but once accepted they may peel off for an Ivy. It is also statistically easier to get into UVA as an OSS than as in-state. All admissions is need-blind so it is not aware of a students' wealth factor other than zip code and high school. Only two students from our "wealthy" high school made it in. Admissions might think we're wealthy based upon zip code but we're not. In fact, FAFSA gave us nothing. We're very very grateful to be living in a state with so many educational opportunities.

Anonymous wrote:Yep, same question I had for Bernie: Who's paying?

Presumably the endowment. You got a problem with that?

Is this 2/3 in-state to 1/3 OOS ratio "pledge" coming from UVA or is it coming from the General Assembly?
When I see multiple acceptances from one wealthy Florida high school, I am going to assume that the accepted students are footing the entire bill, especially when I have a family member living in that particular community. I know that anecdotes are not data, thanks in advance.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm seeing a lot more OOS full-pays gaining acceptance. Especially from the same HS.

You can't be. The number stays fixed at 67% instate, 33% OOS.

+1. Also you can't know the financial status of families applying to colleges unless you happen to be FAFSA.

Anonymous wrote:I'm seeing a lot more OOS full-pays gaining acceptance. Especially from the same HS.

You can't be. The number stays fixed at 67% instate, 33% OOS.

I'm seeing a lot more OOS full-pays gaining acceptance. Especially from the same HS.

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Anonymous wrote:Look, according to the NY Times link posted above, UVA is about average among "high selective school, public and private" when it comes to average income. 44th out of 65. It and all of its peer are all full of rich kids. I applaud UVA for working on this.

Please prove this. This is not my experience at all at UVA. I also don't understand how you can claim it is 90% rich kids when the application process is need-blind.

Hopefully you learned to read at UVA. I never said 90 percent. But, again, look at the New York Times link. The average family at UVA makes over 160,000 a year. That's a lot of money.

I had two kids go to UVA. They both enjoyed it, but they're the first to tell you it's full of rich kids -- them included.

Even if true, $160K in after tax dollars in the DC area is not "a lot of money". It's roughly $108,000 after taxes. Subtract $32K if UVA instate or $64K if OOS, and you are down to $45,000. Subtract for two children at instate at the same time and you are down to the $30Ks. Then pay for food, mortgage, insurance, utilities, car, life insurance, medical insurance, clothing, etc. That's why UVA is commencing a program to help middle class families with income less than $145K.

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Anonymous wrote:Look, according to the NY Times link posted above, UVA is about average among "high selective school, public and private" when it comes to average income. 44th out of 65. It and all of its peer are all full of rich kids. I applaud UVA for working on this.

Please prove this. This is not my experience at all at UVA. I also don't understand how you can claim it is 90% rich kids when the application process is need-blind.

Hopefully you learned to read at UVA. I never said 90 percent. But, again, look at the New York Times link. The average family at UVA makes over 160,000 a year. That's a lot of money.

I had two kids go to UVA. They both enjoyed it, but they're the first to tell you it's full of rich kids -- them included.

Please read 18:53. 90 percent.