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Anonymous wrote:My best friend and her family came to the US illegally. They have all become citizens except her (she has a green card). They are all extremely successful. She married a very successful guy, has a successful career and 2 wonderful kids.

Well that certainly makes up for all the murders. Thank you for setting us straight!!

Anonymous wrote:My best friend and her family came to the US illegally. They have all become citizens except her (she has a green card). They are all extremely successful. She married a very successful guy, has a successful career and 2 wonderful kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Well I assume that some of my produce has been picked and processed by undocumented workers. Otherwise I don't tend to know if people are undocumented or not. Years ago I knew a fun grad student from Great Britain who overextended her visa. Not sure if she ever went back because I lost touch with her.

Yeah, my family's in big ag, illegals are key. Not sure whether anyone on the political spectrum can feel good about this. Yes, the illegals make things 'cheap' in the short run, but there are definitely some long-run issues. If you struggle with this idea, realize that fossil fuels probably make your day more convenient while at the same time the planet less habitable. the immigration debate is actually quite similar in that people are more confused about their interests than they realize.

BTW, I think the immigration debate should begin with a serious discussion about how the U.S. contributes to dynamics that essential force people to immigrate. This includes well over a century of economic imperialism in LatAm and a whole host of bad policy in MENA. Correcting these long-standing bad habits by the U.S. should be priority number 1 both for people who see the corrosive capacity of immigration (both illegal AND legal) as well as those we feel a legit humanitarian impulse to help the vulnerable.

Agree with this. My grandfather was a farmer in the midwest and my dad and uncle worked on the farm until he left for college. My uncle still lives there. The area is mostly big ag now, and the farms employ a lot of undocumented workers, including people who use their friends or relatives' information to get employed. Honestly, most Americans will not take the jobs in slaughterhouses, meat packing plants, or fields. The ones who show up are typically not great workers and most can't pass the drug tests to start anyway (serious opioid issues in the area).

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Anonymous wrote:Well I assume that some of my produce has been picked and processed by undocumented workers. Otherwise I don't tend to know if people are undocumented or not. Years ago I knew a fun grad student from Great Britain who overextended her visa. Not sure if she ever went back because I lost touch with her.

Yeah, my family's in big ag, illegals are key. Not sure whether anyone on the political spectrum can feel good about this. Yes, the illegals make things 'cheap' in the short run, but there are definitely some long-run issues. If you struggle with this idea, realize that fossil fuels probably make your day more convenient while at the same time the planet less habitable. the immigration debate is actually quite similar in that people are more confused about their interests than they realize.

BTW, I think the immigration debate should begin with a serious discussion about how the U.S. contributes to dynamics that essential force people to immigrate. This includes well over a century of economic imperialism in LatAm and a whole host of bad policy in MENA. Correcting these long-standing bad habits by the U.S. should be priority number 1 both for people who see the corrosive capacity of immigration (both illegal AND legal) as well as those we feel a legit humanitarian impulse to help the vulnerable.

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Anonymous wrote:I worked with illegal teens. Low parental supervision, gang activity, casual prostitution and crime, jumping, teen pregnancy, low educational attainment, very backward attitudes from the males to females and a lot of harassment. That was the majority. They were pretty hardworking when given opportunity, but had a raft of poverty/low education issues that would take.muvh time and resource to overcome. Some didn't make it. I don't really see illegal aliens through rose colored glasses. It's a struggle and as many point out, we already have deserving, struggling communities.

This is exactly why the AA support for Trump is climbing.

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Anonymous wrote:I grew up along the border. My school was about slightly over half Hispanic. My best friend was a first generation Mexican and my DH is from SA. I never know the immigration status of people but I have zero issue with most undocumented workers. They typically are extremely hard working and family oriented people. They are an asset to our country. They are trying to improve their lives and the lives of their children. I love the culture I grew up in. It was a mix of Mexican and Native American traditions.

The US appetite for illegal drugs has destroyed Mexico. Mexico has changed dramatically since I was a kid. I used to go across the border all the time. It is really sad that Americans have grown so bigoted but it is their drug problem that has made Mexico the narcoterrorist mess in many States.

This whole drama stoked by Republicans is just naked bigotry. There is nothing to fear from minorities. They are no more prone to criminality than whites.

Here we go with the "hard working" excuses for illegals.

+ 1 And just look at how that liberal PP blames Americans and defends the illegals. I'm seeing this attitude more and more among liberals, and if they don't drop their nonsense, they will lose again.

You are ridiculous. Of course Americans are responsible for the narcotics coming in. I lived along the border because my dad was in law enforcement doing, you guessed it(!!), drug interdiction. You may not want to acknowledge it but Americans love drugs!

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Anonymous wrote:I grew up along the border. My school was about slightly over half Hispanic. My best friend was a first generation Mexican and my DH is from SA. I never know the immigration status of people but I have zero issue with most undocumented workers. They typically are extremely hard working and family oriented people. They are an asset to our country. They are trying to improve their lives and the lives of their children. I love the culture I grew up in. It was a mix of Mexican and Native American traditions.

The US appetite for illegal drugs has destroyed Mexico. Mexico has changed dramatically since I was a kid. I used to go across the border all the time. It is really sad that Americans have grown so bigoted but it is their drug problem that has made Mexico the narcoterrorist mess in many States.

This whole drama stoked by Republicans is just naked bigotry. There is nothing to fear from minorities. They are no more prone to criminality than whites.

Here we go with the "hard working" excuses for illegals.

+ 1 And just look at how that liberal PP blames Americans and defends the illegals. I'm seeing this attitude more and more among liberals, and if they don't drop their nonsense, they will lose again.

Anonymous wrote:Well I assume that some of my produce has been picked and processed by undocumented workers. Otherwise I don't tend to know if people are undocumented or not. Years ago I knew a fun grad student from Great Britain who overextended her visa. Not sure if she ever went back because I lost touch with her.

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Anonymous wrote:Undocumented labor plays an important role in keeping our economy going. We need more workers than we have. Raising wages won’t do it, because we are already effectively at full employment. We really need to find a way to give workers a way to be here legally as they contribute so much to the economy..

"Undocumented labor?" You mean we should encourage people to violate our immigration laws, since doing so helps the economy?

Anonymous wrote:I worked with illegal teens. Low parental supervision, gang activity, casual prostitution and crime, jumping, teen pregnancy, low educational attainment, very backward attitudes from the males to females and a lot of harassment. That was the majority. They were pretty hardworking when given opportunity, but had a raft of poverty/low education issues that would take.muvh time and resource to overcome. Some didn't make it. I don't really see illegal aliens through rose colored glasses. It's a struggle and as many point out, we already have deserving, struggling communities.