Anonymous
Post 08/23/2018 13:18     Subject: Why so much UVA jealousy?
Anonymous wrote:I think PP is being satirical and I found it amusing. Indeed the Commonwealth is fortunate to have such a fine institution as an in-state tuition option for excellent students.

That said, I do believe U of M kicks UVa's a** in research dollars, international renown, Nobelists, dedicated alumni Rhodes Scholars and oh yeah Ann Arbor.


Yes, it could be a post to just stir the pot. Or could be the next wave of Russian manipulation of U.S. social media to increase discord. . .
Anonymous
Post 08/23/2018 13:15     Subject: Why so much UVA jealousy?
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Anonymous wrote:My DD and I just toured UVA two weeks ago. We used to live in Arlington, and my DH is from VA. We were in DC and drove down there. I'll tell you who is jealous of Virginians, and that is we Californians. UVA lets in about 75% Virginians. The in-state tuition is a bargain. Meanwhile, out of state tuition is in the 45K range, and your kid cannot establish VA residency unless a parent lives there.

In CA, the University of California system (UCs, such as UCLA, UC San Diego, UC Berkeley etc) lets in some ridiculously low % of Californians, because they are looking for out-of-state or out-of-country students to subsidize the California kids. They also have a deal with the CA public HSs to let in their top 10% of kids. But these publics don't hold a candle to what I've seen with the Arlington HS system. So many families go private. Then the private kids are SOL with respect to getting into their state schools bc those few spots are taken by public school kids.

So...I don't know why any Virginian would scoff at the UVA deal. Great school, great price.




Why are we leaving out the W&M deal?


Two very different schools. Kids st both, years ago. Not too long ago, they were nearly at parity in terms of academic quality of undergrads, but UVA just became the more popular and somewhat stronger school. W&M is a great school but it has limited appeal now, given its size and reputation for un-fun. I honestly think that it might become an all-women’s state college soon. Its number of applications stays flat, it’s yield rate is embarrassingly low, and I think it has given up in appealing to men.


Geez. A typical fact-free, one-sided hack job.

UVA has always been more popular in the sense that more cross-admits choose to go there, but given it is significantly larger than W&M, it has to be for them to have similar admission stats because UVA has more spots to fill.

Reputation for un-fun? Princeton Review, which bases its ratings on surveys ranked W&M #1 for "happiest students" and #2 for "their students love these colleges". It is also #1 in alumni giving rate for public national universities and #2 in 4 year graduation rate per the USNews data.

Regarding applications, you say they stay flat. A quick look at SCHEV site shows W&M applications went up 12 of 13 years from 2004-5 to 20017-18.

You say "I honestly think it might become an all women's state college soon". Obviously that would not be legal or even desirable. And if you look at the ratios, W&M is 57% female and 43% male and that is in line with national averages. In comparison, UVA is 55% female and 45% male and UNC Chapel Hill is 59% female and 41% male.
Anonymous
Post 08/23/2018 12:39     Subject: Why so much UVA jealousy?
I think PP is being satirical and I found it amusing. Indeed the Commonwealth is fortunate to have such a fine institution as an in-state tuition option for excellent students.

That said, I do believe U of M kicks UVa's a** in research dollars, international renown, Nobelists, dedicated alumni Rhodes Scholars and oh yeah Ann Arbor.
Anonymous
Post 08/23/2018 12:19     Subject: Why so much UVA jealousy?
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Anonymous wrote:UVA offer a world-class education, producing more Rhodes scholars than any public university in the US and many of the most elite privates as well. It is a first choice school for highly intelligent, accomplished, and candidly beautiful, athletic, and extraordinarily well rounded high school graduates from all over the country. And if you go there from in state, it’s an absolute bargain. So why is everyone so jealous of it? Why aren’t we thrilled to have such an attractive option right at our front door?




I'm not sure where you're getting the candidly beautiful part from. UVA students have never struck me as any better looking than what you see at other southern universities.


Weird posts.


This may be a troll post. But if serious, it answers itself in a way. There are haters out there who will always dis UVA. But there are lots of people like me who think it is a very good school but see someone say "it is a first choice school for highly intelligent, accomplished, and candidly beautiful, athletic, and extraordinarily well rounded high school graduates from all over the country" and just want to retch. Do I want to retch out of jealousy? I don't think so.
Anonymous
Post 08/23/2018 10:38     Subject: Why so much UVA jealousy?
Anonymous wrote:My DD and I just toured UVA two weeks ago. We used to live in Arlington, and my DH is from VA. We were in DC and drove down there. I'll tell you who is jealous of Virginians, and that is we Californians. UVA lets in about 75% Virginians. The in-state tuition is a bargain. Meanwhile, out of state tuition is in the 45K range, and your kid cannot establish VA residency unless a parent lives there.

In CA, the University of California system (UCs, such as UCLA, UC San Diego, UC Berkeley etc) lets in some ridiculously low % of Californians, because they are looking for out-of-state or out-of-country students to subsidize the California kids. They also have a deal with the CA public HSs to let in their top 10% of kids. But these publics don't hold a candle to what I've seen with the Arlington HS system. So many families go private. Then the private kids are SOL with respect to getting into their state schools bc those few spots are taken by public school kids.

So...I don't know why any Virginian would scoff at the UVA deal. Great school, great price.


Well that’s what happens when you pay no taxes. So pay property taxes at market rate or pay for other services as you use them- ie state school.
Anonymous
Post 08/23/2018 10:07     Subject: Why so much UVA jealousy?
These threads are a weekly tradition for DCUM. The same posters throw their opinions out there.

Bottom line: We're lucky to have some really great college options in Virginia. Many are drawn to UVA, but it isn't the right school for everyone. The same is true for the other options.
Anonymous
Post 08/23/2018 10:00     Subject: Re:Why so much UVA jealousy?
Anonymous wrote:our NOVA high school

Average GPA: 4.2
Average SAT: 1460


AVERAGE. That's different from the claim above that it's what you "need."
Anonymous
Post 08/23/2018 09:33     Subject: Why so much UVA jealousy?
The real question OP is why do you care so much about UVA? It's a great bargain for in-staters but that's it.
Anonymous
Post 08/23/2018 09:30     Subject: Why so much UVA jealousy?
Anonymous wrote:It's a dream for in-state middle class people OP. But if you don't live in VA, the out-of-state tuition is ridiculous and it is southern. I hate the south so would hate for my kid to go there since I don't live in VA. People covet Ivies not UVA


You seem oddly overinvested for someone who purports not to care.
Anonymous
Post 08/23/2018 09:27     Subject: Why so much UVA jealousy?
It's a dream for in-state middle class people OP. But if you don't live in VA, the out-of-state tuition is ridiculous and it is southern. I hate the south so would hate for my kid to go there since I don't live in VA. People covet Ivies not UVA
Anonymous
Post 08/23/2018 09:20     Subject: Re:Why so much UVA jealousy?
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Anonymous wrote:It’s no Michigan! There are guys in northern VA who wear Michigan hats so often I swear they have been sewn into their heads.



I live in NOVA and I've never seen anyone in Michigan gear. And who the hell wants to go to school in the upper mid west?


Clearly, very many people.


I just came back from a college tour with my rising senior and I would LOVE for her to go to Michigan. Both the school and the town are impressive.


Hope you have a solid back up.
Anonymous
Post 08/23/2018 09:20     Subject: Why so much UVA jealousy?
OP is a grasper. School is horrible at all the hard majors and has lackluster alumni compared to other state schools. Easy majors, drinking and laziness. It's almost like the kids go in smart and come out dumb.
Anonymous
Post 08/23/2018 09:18     Subject: Why so much UVA jealousy?
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:No one outside of VA is jealous of UVA lol



I'm a Virginian and I'm jealous of UNC.


I am of UMD-CP


Now that's weird.


I think UMD is better for STEM and entrepreneurship. Also good for being able to do DC area internships during the semester.

UVA is good for becoming a lawyer or something
Anonymous
Post 08/23/2018 09:15     Subject: Re:Why so much UVA jealousy?
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:It’s no Michigan! There are guys in northern VA who wear Michigan hats so often I swear they have been sewn into their heads.



I live in NOVA and I've never seen anyone in Michigan gear. And who the hell wants to go to school in the upper mid west?


Clearly, very many people.


I just came back from a college tour with my rising senior and I would LOVE for her to go to Michigan. Both the school and the town are impressive.
Anonymous
Post 08/23/2018 09:14     Subject: Re:Why so much UVA jealousy?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It’s no Michigan! There are guys in northern VA who wear Michigan hats so often I swear they have been sewn into their heads.



I live in NOVA and I've never seen anyone in Michigan gear. And who the hell wants to go to school in the upper mid west?


[b]Clearly, very many people.




You know this stuff is all regional right? Outside of about 10 schools, most high ranking schools aren't held in the same regard outside of their region. As a Virginian, I'm gaga over UVA, but I get that people from other states wouldn't be as much. I know that Michigan, UT, UNC, some of the non-Berkley UC's are extremely good schools as well, but I don't hold them in the same regard that people in those states do. Even a lot of the SLACs that get so much love on DCUM are not well known to me, but obviously they carry a lot more cache in the north east. I think the thing to remember is that unless one attends an ivy caliber school, most fantastic schools don't have wide spread recognition outside of the region they are located in.

Actually Big 10 schools - especially Wisconsin, Michigan, and Indiana-ish - are very, very popular in the northeast and midatlantic. It stems from the anti Semitic quotas and attitudes at the elite institutions in the early 1900s. Smart Jews were shut out of those schools so they headed to the Midwest.