Anonymous
08/18/2018 14:27
Subject: Re:Takoma, Easter Magnets. MCPS Pilots Universal Evaluation Process.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
The presence of mini-magnets in the DCC makes living there (as in, owning property and not just bussing in) a viable option for families that value education. That is actually a smart approach on the part of MCPS. However, if tomorrow they will start messing with admission criteria to make the racial make-up more representative of the area, those programs will also lose their attractiveness.
Are you saying that MCPS is breaking the law by using race as a factor in admissions? If so, you should tell the Department of Justice. They are very interested in such topics, for some groups of people, these days.
The county absolutely does not use race as a selection criterion.
Anonymous
08/18/2018 14:05
Subject: Takoma, Easter Magnets. MCPS Pilots Universal Evaluation Process.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
MCPS refused to release the MS magnet test data on the admirred and rejected students after multiple requests. Everyone is speculating but they they got no data to support their claim. MCPS owns the data and has total control over your child’s school life; it can be cc2.0 or magnet admission.
Unless MCPS touches the UMC and MC white students’ benefit, they will not face real resistance. UMC familes can affort private schools and can bring a lawsuit.
However, Asian families, most of them are first generation of immigrants, cannot afford private schools in this area and 100% depend on public school. It is daunting task to navigate the school system which is totally different from their own school experience. When they saw their child’s education opportunity is robbed by MCPS under the name of diversity, an angry reaction is the least you can expect. Fortunately, for MCPS, the angry voice from Asian parents may be the only reaction from Asian parents. The affected Asian parents will not bring a lawsuit to MCPS, because they cannot afford, cannot find a lawyer to take their case, or decided to let it go because their own child already missed the chance and need to move on.
Dear PP, you are right, there will be no lawsuit from Asian parents!
Asian-heritage families who live in Potomac can't afford a lawyer?
Most of Asian immegtant families in Potomac or North Potomac are working families with two professional jobs. After paying for the $500-900K houses, mortgage, child care, Music/Sport/enrichment classes for kids cost them most of the income after tax and retiremen saving. $45,000 cash for a private school each year,? It is beyond most of the Asian families.
Consider then the low income AA, African, or Latinx family downcounty with a gifted child who is getting Magnet as their only opportunity.
There is no evidence that MCPS has overlooked URM kids for gt selection previously. When my DC was in ES, he said the teacher told the kids who were advanced to take the test for HGC. He was my first child in MCPS and in the US, I never heard anything about HGC in MCPS before he brought home the application. That was decade ago.
In MCPS most teachers have been happy to identify URM gift students in their classes and nurture their talent.
To you simply telling a handpicked group of 5th graders they should take a test might seem equal to screening all kids in 5th grade, but experts in gifted education disagreed.
Or maybe it using the limited resources on kids with the facilities AND resources to do something with it. No point handing out parachutes to kids who will never step on a plane. Do kids who could never ever afford college need college prep?
So many offensive things in two short lines. Plus the stupidity of having never heard of financial aid apparently.
Anonymous
08/18/2018 13:14
Subject: Takoma, Easter Magnets. MCPS Pilots Universal Evaluation Process.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
MCPS refused to release the MS magnet test data on the admirred and rejected students after multiple requests. Everyone is speculating but they they got no data to support their claim. MCPS owns the data and has total control over your child’s school life; it can be cc2.0 or magnet admission.
Unless MCPS touches the UMC and MC white students’ benefit, they will not face real resistance. UMC familes can affort private schools and can bring a lawsuit.
However, Asian families, most of them are first generation of immigrants, cannot afford private schools in this area and 100% depend on public school. It is daunting task to navigate the school system which is totally different from their own school experience. When they saw their child’s education opportunity is robbed by MCPS under the name of diversity, an angry reaction is the least you can expect. Fortunately, for MCPS, the angry voice from Asian parents may be the only reaction from Asian parents. The affected Asian parents will not bring a lawsuit to MCPS, because they cannot afford, cannot find a lawyer to take their case, or decided to let it go because their own child already missed the chance and need to move on.
Dear PP, you are right, there will be no lawsuit from Asian parents!
Asian-heritage families who live in Potomac can't afford a lawyer?
Most of Asian immegtant families in Potomac or North Potomac are working families with two professional jobs. After paying for the $500-900K houses, mortgage, child care, Music/Sport/enrichment classes for kids cost them most of the income after tax and retiremen saving. $45,000 cash for a private school each year,? It is beyond most of the Asian families.
Consider then the low income AA, African, or Latinx family downcounty with a gifted child who is getting Magnet as their only opportunity.
There is no evidence that MCPS has overlooked URM kids for gt selection previously. When my DC was in ES, he said the teacher told the kids who were advanced to take the test for HGC. He was my first child in MCPS and in the US, I never heard anything about HGC in MCPS before he brought home the application. That was decade ago.
In MCPS most teachers have been happy to identify URM gift students in their classes and nurture their talent.
To you simply telling a handpicked group of 5th graders they should take a test might seem equal to screening all kids in 5th grade, but experts in gifted education disagreed.
Or maybe it using the limited resources on kids with the facilities AND resources to do something with it. No point handing out parachutes to kids who will never step on a plane. Do kids who could never ever afford college need college prep?
Anonymous
08/18/2018 11:34
Subject: Takoma, Easter Magnets. MCPS Pilots Universal Evaluation Process.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
MCPS refused to release the MS magnet test data on the admirred and rejected students after multiple requests. Everyone is speculating but they they got no data to support their claim. MCPS owns the data and has total control over your child’s school life; it can be cc2.0 or magnet admission.
Unless MCPS touches the UMC and MC white students’ benefit, they will not face real resistance. UMC familes can affort private schools and can bring a lawsuit.
However, Asian families, most of them are first generation of immigrants, cannot afford private schools in this area and 100% depend on public school. It is daunting task to navigate the school system which is totally different from their own school experience. When they saw their child’s education opportunity is robbed by MCPS under the name of diversity, an angry reaction is the least you can expect. Fortunately, for MCPS, the angry voice from Asian parents may be the only reaction from Asian parents. The affected Asian parents will not bring a lawsuit to MCPS, because they cannot afford, cannot find a lawyer to take their case, or decided to let it go because their own child already missed the chance and need to move on.
Dear PP, you are right, there will be no lawsuit from Asian parents!
Asian-heritage families who live in Potomac can't afford a lawyer?
Most of Asian immegtant families in Potomac or North Potomac are working families with two professional jobs. After paying for the $500-900K houses, mortgage, child care, Music/Sport/enrichment classes for kids cost them most of the income after tax and retiremen saving. $45,000 cash for a private school each year,? It is beyond most of the Asian families.
Consider then the low income AA, African, or Latinx family downcounty with a gifted child who is getting Magnet as their only opportunity.
There is no evidence that MCPS has overlooked URM kids for gt selection previously. When my DC was in ES, he said the teacher told the kids who were advanced to take the test for HGC. He was my first child in MCPS and in the US, I never heard anything about HGC in MCPS before he brought home the application. That was decade ago.
In MCPS most teachers have been happy to identify URM gift students in their classes and nurture their talent.
To you simply telling a handpicked group of 5th graders they should take a test might seem equal to screening all kids in 5th grade, but experts in gifted education disagreed.
Anonymous
08/18/2018 11:29
Subject: Takoma, Easter Magnets. MCPS Pilots Universal Evaluation Process.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
MCPS refused to release the MS magnet test data on the admirred and rejected students after multiple requests. Everyone is speculating but they they got no data to support their claim. MCPS owns the data and has total control over your child’s school life; it can be cc2.0 or magnet admission.
Unless MCPS touches the UMC and MC white students’ benefit, they will not face real resistance. UMC familes can affort private schools and can bring a lawsuit.
However, Asian families, most of them are first generation of immigrants, cannot afford private schools in this area and 100% depend on public school. It is daunting task to navigate the school system which is totally different from their own school experience. When they saw their child’s education opportunity is robbed by MCPS under the name of diversity, an angry reaction is the least you can expect. Fortunately, for MCPS, the angry voice from Asian parents may be the only reaction from Asian parents. The affected Asian parents will not bring a lawsuit to MCPS, because they cannot afford, cannot find a lawyer to take their case, or decided to let it go because their own child already missed the chance and need to move on.
Dear PP, you are right, there will be no lawsuit from Asian parents!
Asian-heritage families who live in Potomac can't afford a lawyer?
Most of Asian immegtant families in Potomac or North Potomac are working families with two professional jobs. After paying for the $500-900K houses, mortgage, child care, Music/Sport/enrichment classes for kids cost them most of the income after tax and retiremen saving. $45,000 cash for a private school each year,? It is beyond most of the Asian families.
Consider then the low income AA, African, or Latinx family downcounty with a gifted child who is getting Magnet as their only opportunity.
There is no evidence that MCPS has overlooked URM kids for gt selection previously. When my DC was in ES, he said the teacher told the kids who were advanced to take the test for HGC. He was my first child in MCPS and in the US, I never heard anything about HGC in MCPS before he brought home the application. That was decade ago.
In MCPS most teachers have been happy to identify URM gift students in their classes and nurture their talent.
Anonymous
08/18/2018 11:09
Subject: Takoma, Easter Magnets. MCPS Pilots Universal Evaluation Process.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
MCPS refused to release the MS magnet test data on the admirred and rejected students after multiple requests. Everyone is speculating but they they got no data to support their claim. MCPS owns the data and has total control over your child’s school life; it can be cc2.0 or magnet admission.
Unless MCPS touches the UMC and MC white students’ benefit, they will not face real resistance. UMC familes can affort private schools and can bring a lawsuit.
However, Asian families, most of them are first generation of immigrants, cannot afford private schools in this area and 100% depend on public school. It is daunting task to navigate the school system which is totally different from their own school experience. When they saw their child’s education opportunity is robbed by MCPS under the name of diversity, an angry reaction is the least you can expect. Fortunately, for MCPS, the angry voice from Asian parents may be the only reaction from Asian parents. The affected Asian parents will not bring a lawsuit to MCPS, because they cannot afford, cannot find a lawyer to take their case, or decided to let it go because their own child already missed the chance and need to move on.
Dear PP, you are right, there will be no lawsuit from Asian parents!
Asian-heritage families who live in Potomac can't afford a lawyer?
Most of Asian immegtant families in Potomac or North Potomac are working families with two professional jobs. After paying for the $500-900K houses, mortgage, child care, Music/Sport/enrichment classes for kids cost them most of the income after tax and retiremen saving. $45,000 cash for a private school each year,? It is beyond most of the Asian families.
Consider then the low income AA, African, or Latinx family downcounty with a gifted child who is getting Magnet as their only opportunity.
The better approach would be to have more intervention and enrichment for K-2 in low performing schools to ensure that gifted children are challenged and nurtured so that they can easily qualify for the Magnet programs. If you just change the selection criteria using a bogus peer group rationale you could end up with what has happened this year : roughly the same number of AA and HI students and more white students from DCC schools. Meanwhile many Asian and white students in W schools with higher scores did not get in. Before you respond with the standard “but their scores are higher because they went to cram schools “ I just want to say that prepping is not as common as you might imagine and the results of prepping are not as positive as you might imagine. I know of kids who did prep who got in ( and it is not a high number) and I know of kids who prepped who did not. My child got into RMIB, Blair SMAC and CAP without any prepping and he was not alone
Anonymous
08/18/2018 10:48
Subject: Takoma, Easter Magnets. MCPS Pilots Universal Evaluation Process.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
MCPS refused to release the MS magnet test data on the admirred and rejected students after multiple requests. Everyone is speculating but they they got no data to support their claim. MCPS owns the data and has total control over your child’s school life; it can be cc2.0 or magnet admission.
Unless MCPS touches the UMC and MC white students’ benefit, they will not face real resistance. UMC familes can affort private schools and can bring a lawsuit.
However, Asian families, most of them are first generation of immigrants, cannot afford private schools in this area and 100% depend on public school. It is daunting task to navigate the school system which is totally different from their own school experience. When they saw their child’s education opportunity is robbed by MCPS under the name of diversity, an angry reaction is the least you can expect. Fortunately, for MCPS, the angry voice from Asian parents may be the only reaction from Asian parents. The affected Asian parents will not bring a lawsuit to MCPS, because they cannot afford, cannot find a lawyer to take their case, or decided to let it go because their own child already missed the chance and need to move on.
Dear PP, you are right, there will be no lawsuit from Asian parents!
Asian-heritage families who live in Potomac can't afford a lawyer?
Most of Asian immegtant families in Potomac or North Potomac are working families with two professional jobs. After paying for the $500-900K houses, mortgage, child care, Music/Sport/enrichment classes for kids cost them most of the income after tax and retiremen saving. $45,000 cash for a private school each year,? It is beyond most of the Asian families.
Consider then the low income AA, African, or Latinx family downcounty with a gifted child who is getting Magnet as their only opportunity.
Anonymous
08/18/2018 10:44
Subject: Takoma, Easter Magnets. MCPS Pilots Universal Evaluation Process.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
MCPS refused to release the MS magnet test data on the admirred and rejected students after multiple requests. Everyone is speculating but they they got no data to support their claim. MCPS owns the data and has total control over your child’s school life; it can be cc2.0 or magnet admission.
Unless MCPS touches the UMC and MC white students’ benefit, they will not face real resistance. UMC familes can affort private schools and can bring a lawsuit.
However, Asian families, most of them are first generation of immigrants, cannot afford private schools in this area and 100% depend on public school. It is daunting task to navigate the school system which is totally different from their own school experience. When they saw their child’s education opportunity is robbed by MCPS under the name of diversity, an angry reaction is the least you can expect. Fortunately, for MCPS, the angry voice from Asian parents may be the only reaction from Asian parents. The affected Asian parents will not bring a lawsuit to MCPS, because they cannot afford, cannot find a lawyer to take their case, or decided to let it go because their own child already missed the chance and need to move on.
Dear PP, you are right, there will be no lawsuit from Asian parents!
Asian-heritage families who live in Potomac can't afford a lawyer?
Most of Asian immegtant families in Potomac or North Potomac are working families with two professional jobs. After paying for the $500-900K houses, mortgage, child care, Music/Sport/enrichment classes for kids cost them most of the income after tax and retiremen saving. $45,000 cash for a private school each year,? It is beyond most of the Asian families.
Anonymous
08/18/2018 09:50
Subject: Re:Takoma, Easter Magnets. MCPS Pilots Universal Evaluation Process.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
The presence of mini-magnets in the DCC makes living there (as in, owning property and not just bussing in) a viable option for families that value education. That is actually a smart approach on the part of MCPS. However, if tomorrow they will start messing with admission criteria to make the racial make-up more representative of the area, those programs will also lose their attractiveness.
Are you saying that MCPS is breaking the law by using race as a factor in admissions? If so, you should tell the Department of Justice. They are very interested in such topics, for some groups of people, these days.
You are trolling, and you know it.
MCPS is increasing geographic diversity in magnets by stating that children in several middle schools, largely W feeders, already have a peer group in their districted areas and don't need magnet education. The impetus for seeking geographis diversity was an attempt to indirectly increase racial diversity at the magnet schools.
The problem with MCPS's approach is that it put the cart before the horse. MCPS stopped accepting top W students now, and is planning to implement partial magnet curriculum in W feeders over time. Somewhere on DCUM a teacher wrote that they had a 2 day (!!!) training on teaching a magnet class. The kids in the W feeders who tested well enough to be in the magnets are in a tough spot this year, being the guiney pigs for the curriculum implementation. It is also likely that "separate but equal" fallacy may result for a less rigorous "minimanget" programs in W feeders.
Anonymous
08/18/2018 08:56
Subject: Re:Takoma, Easter Magnets. MCPS Pilots Universal Evaluation Process.
Anonymous wrote:
The presence of mini-magnets in the DCC makes living there (as in, owning property and not just bussing in) a viable option for families that value education. That is actually a smart approach on the part of MCPS. However, if tomorrow they will start messing with admission criteria to make the racial make-up more representative of the area, those programs will also lose their attractiveness.
Are you saying that MCPS is breaking the law by using race as a factor in admissions? If so, you should tell the Department of Justice. They are very interested in such topics, for some groups of people, these days.
Anonymous
08/18/2018 08:49
Subject: Re:Takoma, Easter Magnets. MCPS Pilots Universal Evaluation Process.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The proliferation of programs throughout the DCC to attract better performing students from elsewhere in the county is designed to bump up the primary score performance
I know of two programs in DCC high schools that are open to students from elsewhere in the county (i.e., outside of the DCC) - the math/sci program at Blair, and the visual arts program at Einstein. Am I missing any? Do you consider two programs to be proliferation?
There is also a biomedical engineering mini-magnet at Wheaton, the CAP program at Blair, the Visual Arts at Einstein that you mentioned.
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/schools/downcounty/
Application Programs Open to DCC Students
Biomedical Magnet Program
Communication Arts Program (CAP)
Engineering Magnet Program
Leadership Training Institute (LTI)
Those programs are only open to students in the DCC.
Yes, availability of mini-magnet programs in the DCC was the question I was answering.
The PP's argument was that MCPS has put magnet programs into DCC schools to attract students from outside the DCC. A magnet program that is open only to students in the DCC does not attract students from outside the DCC.
The presence of mini-magnets in the DCC makes living there (as in, owning property and not just bussing in) a viable option for families that value education. That is actually a smart approach on the part of MCPS. However, if tomorrow they will start messing with admission criteria to make the racial make-up more representative of the area, those programs will also lose their attractiveness.
Anonymous
08/18/2018 08:33
Subject: Takoma, Easter Magnets. MCPS Pilots Universal Evaluation Process.
Anonymous wrote:
MCPS refused to release the MS magnet test data on the admirred and rejected students after multiple requests. Everyone is speculating but they they got no data to support their claim. MCPS owns the data and has total control over your child’s school life; it can be cc2.0 or magnet admission.
Unless MCPS touches the UMC and MC white students’ benefit, they will not face real resistance. UMC familes can affort private schools and can bring a lawsuit.
However, Asian families, most of them are first generation of immigrants, cannot afford private schools in this area and 100% depend on public school. It is daunting task to navigate the school system which is totally different from their own school experience. When they saw their child’s education opportunity is robbed by MCPS under the name of diversity, an angry reaction is the least you can expect. Fortunately, for MCPS, the angry voice from Asian parents may be the only reaction from Asian parents. The affected Asian parents will not bring a lawsuit to MCPS, because they cannot afford, cannot find a lawyer to take their case, or decided to let it go because their own child already missed the chance and need to move on.
Dear PP, you are right, there will be no lawsuit from Asian parents!
Asian-heritage families who live in Potomac can't afford a lawyer?
Anonymous
08/18/2018 08:32
Subject: Re:Takoma, Easter Magnets. MCPS Pilots Universal Evaluation Process.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The proliferation of programs throughout the DCC to attract better performing students from elsewhere in the county is designed to bump up the primary score performance
I know of two programs in DCC high schools that are open to students from elsewhere in the county (i.e., outside of the DCC) - the math/sci program at Blair, and the visual arts program at Einstein. Am I missing any? Do you consider two programs to be proliferation?
There is also a biomedical engineering mini-magnet at Wheaton, the CAP program at Blair, the Visual Arts at Einstein that you mentioned.
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/schools/downcounty/
Application Programs Open to DCC Students
Biomedical Magnet Program
Communication Arts Program (CAP)
Engineering Magnet Program
Leadership Training Institute (LTI)
Those programs are only open to students in the DCC.
Yes, availability of mini-magnet programs in the DCC was the question I was answering.
The PP's argument was that MCPS has put magnet programs into DCC schools to attract students from outside the DCC. A magnet program that is open only to students in the DCC does not attract students from outside the DCC.
Anonymous
08/18/2018 08:30
Subject: Re:Takoma, Easter Magnets. MCPS Pilots Universal Evaluation Process.
Anonymous wrote:
The new TPMS class did not end up with significantly more URM students. There are fewer Asian students, who are now held back with artificial restrictions based on their home school district. Their spots are taken up by top students in the previously less represented school districts who have somewhat lower scores than rejected W-based Asian students. The accepted students are overwhelmingly white. So you have a less prepared class with fewer Asians and more whites, with a broader countywide geographic diversity. How exactly this is better has not been explained.
Short of instituting direct racial quotas, MCPS will not be able to achieve their goal of making magnet education available to URM students.
The school district is Montgomery County Public Schools.
The average test score for a school tells you nothing about an individual student's test score. That's basic statistics.
And the majority of Asian-American students in the downcounty are zoned for schools that are not in Bethesda and Potomac.
Anonymous
08/18/2018 08:29
Subject: Re:Takoma, Easter Magnets. MCPS Pilots Universal Evaluation Process.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The proliferation of programs throughout the DCC to attract better performing students from elsewhere in the county is designed to bump up the primary score performance
I know of two programs in DCC high schools that are open to students from elsewhere in the county (i.e., outside of the DCC) - the math/sci program at Blair, and the visual arts program at Einstein. Am I missing any? Do you consider two programs to be proliferation?
There is also a biomedical engineering mini-magnet at Wheaton, the CAP program at Blair, the Visual Arts at Einstein that you mentioned.
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/schools/downcounty/
Application Programs Open to DCC Students
Biomedical Magnet Program
Communication Arts Program (CAP)
Engineering Magnet Program
Leadership Training Institute (LTI)
Those programs are only open to students in the DCC.
Yes, availability of mini-magnet programs in the DCC was the question I was answering.