Anonymous
08/03/2018 12:30
Subject: Re:Extended School Year Approved for 2 MoCo Elementary Schools
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Not sure why some of the teachers on this board are so quick to be negative. It’s a pilot at 2 schools that was just approved on Monday. Give McPS a chance to try it and see what happens. If it’s a failure it obviously won’t continue. And if it’s not (and some of the data up thread point to positive outcomes), then that’s a great thing for kids.
Those of us who have been in MCPS for a long time understand that MCPS cherry picks data and spins it to support whatever they want their narrative to be, whether that's what's really going on or not. I'm interested to see the data, but I don't trust the data that MCPS puts out there--if that makes sense.
That doesn't get us anywhere, though, PP. If the premise is that MCPS always cooks the books, then we can't know anything or learn anything.
NP here. Data don't lie. Are you saying that MCPS is "changing" the data so that it can support their agenda? That's a pretty bold accusation. Been a long time MCPS parent and MCPS graduate myself.
Anonymous
08/03/2018 12:01
Subject: Re:Extended School Year Approved for 2 MoCo Elementary Schools
MCPS veteran here, I’m interested in what the agreed upon salary is for the extended year or days. If I’m not getting paid my regular per hour rate or a stipend that equals over my regular hours I’ll pass. Im not currently at an extended year but to be worked like a mule for mere coins is exhausting especially when factoring in how low a schools data might be and the high stakes for educators.
Anonymous
08/03/2018 11:41
Subject: Re:Extended School Year Approved for 2 MoCo Elementary Schools
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Are there any MCPS teachers who are at one of these schools that will become an extended year? Can you share how it’s supoosed to work? Will you be fairly compensated?
I know a few but I obviously can't speak for them.
But think about it this way. Teachers have kids, too, and whether or not we like to admit it, summers spent with our own children is perk. So why a teacher WITH kids opt into this extended summer learning? Why would a teacher PAY for childcare in order to work an extended year?
So you'll end up with childless teachers - probably young, somewhat inexperienced and in need of money - opting in.
I guess we forget that teachers have families, too.
THIS is true I’ve been teaching only two years and don’t have a family yet but when I do I’ll leave for summers. In the mean time I’ll be working an extended school year for the money.
+1 I know plenty of older teachers whose family are grown who do summer gigs. The director of one of the camps we send our kid to is an MCPS teacher. Teachers aren't a homogenous group. Some would be happy to have trade leisure time for a higher salary. Others won't.
Anonymous
08/03/2018 11:37
Subject: Re:Extended School Year Approved for 2 MoCo Elementary Schools
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Are there any MCPS teachers who are at one of these schools that will become an extended year? Can you share how it’s supoosed to work? Will you be fairly compensated?
I know a few but I obviously can't speak for them.
But think about it this way. Teachers have kids, too, and whether or not we like to admit it, summers spent with our own children is perk. So why a teacher WITH kids opt into this extended summer learning? Why would a teacher PAY for childcare in order to work an extended year?
So you'll end up with childless teachers - probably young, somewhat inexperienced and in need of money - opting in.
I guess we forget that teachers have families, too.
THIS is true I’ve been teaching only two years and don’t have a family yet but when I do I’ll leave for summers. In the mean time I’ll be working an extended school year for the money.
Anonymous
08/03/2018 11:07
Subject: Re:Extended School Year Approved for 2 MoCo Elementary Schools
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Not sure why some of the teachers on this board are so quick to be negative. It’s a pilot at 2 schools that was just approved on Monday. Give McPS a chance to try it and see what happens. If it’s a failure it obviously won’t continue. And if it’s not (and some of the data up thread point to positive outcomes), then that’s a great thing for kids.
Those of us who have been in MCPS for a long time understand that MCPS cherry picks data and spins it to support whatever they want their narrative to be, whether that's what's really going on or not. I'm interested to see the data, but I don't trust the data that MCPS puts out there--if that makes sense.
That doesn't get us anywhere, though, PP. If the premise is that MCPS always cooks the books, then we can't know anything or learn anything.
This. That's an excuse. If data tampering is really an issue, staff should say something.
It's not that it's tampering, necessarily. It's just not showing the whole picture. It's cherry picking, as another PP said.
OK. That's an argument for full disclosure of data, not an argument against pilot tests.
+1 When people are cherry picking data in a study, you can often detect that by asking detailed questions about the sample.
Anonymous
08/03/2018 11:06
Subject: Re:Extended School Year Approved for 2 MoCo Elementary Schools
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Not sure why some of the teachers on this board are so quick to be negative. It’s a pilot at 2 schools that was just approved on Monday. Give McPS a chance to try it and see what happens. If it’s a failure it obviously won’t continue. And if it’s not (and some of the data up thread point to positive outcomes), then that’s a great thing for kids.
Those of us who have been in MCPS for a long time understand that MCPS cherry picks data and spins it to support whatever they want their narrative to be, whether that's what's really going on or not. I'm interested to see the data, but I don't trust the data that MCPS puts out there--if that makes sense.
That doesn't get us anywhere, though, PP. If the premise is that MCPS always cooks the books, then we can't know anything or learn anything.
This. That's an excuse. If data tampering is really an issue, staff should say something.
It's not that it's tampering, necessarily. It's just not showing the whole picture. It's cherry picking, as another PP said.
OK. That's an argument for full disclosure of data, not an argument against pilot tests.
Anonymous
08/03/2018 11:04
Subject: Re:Extended School Year Approved for 2 MoCo Elementary Schools
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Not sure why some of the teachers on this board are so quick to be negative. It’s a pilot at 2 schools that was just approved on Monday. Give McPS a chance to try it and see what happens. If it’s a failure it obviously won’t continue. And if it’s not (and some of the data up thread point to positive outcomes), then that’s a great thing for kids.
Those of us who have been in MCPS for a long time understand that MCPS cherry picks data and spins it to support whatever they want their narrative to be, whether that's what's really going on or not. I'm interested to see the data, but I don't trust the data that MCPS puts out there--if that makes sense.
That doesn't get us anywhere, though, PP. If the premise is that MCPS always cooks the books, then we can't know anything or learn anything.
This. That's an excuse. If data tampering is really an issue, staff should say something.
It's not that it's tampering, necessarily. It's just not showing the whole picture. It's cherry picking, as another PP said.
Anonymous
08/03/2018 11:03
Subject: Re:Extended School Year Approved for 2 MoCo Elementary Schools
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Not sure why some of the teachers on this board are so quick to be negative. It’s a pilot at 2 schools that was just approved on Monday. Give McPS a chance to try it and see what happens. If it’s a failure it obviously won’t continue. And if it’s not (and some of the data up thread point to positive outcomes), then that’s a great thing for kids.
Those of us who have been in MCPS for a long time understand that MCPS cherry picks data and spins it to support whatever they want their narrative to be, whether that's what's really going on or not. I'm interested to see the data, but I don't trust the data that MCPS puts out there--if that makes sense.
That doesn't get us anywhere, though, PP. If the premise is that MCPS always cooks the books, then we can't know anything or learn anything.
This. That's an excuse. If data tampering is really an issue, staff should say something.
Anonymous
08/03/2018 10:50
Subject: Re:Extended School Year Approved for 2 MoCo Elementary Schools
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Not sure why some of the teachers on this board are so quick to be negative. It’s a pilot at 2 schools that was just approved on Monday. Give McPS a chance to try it and see what happens. If it’s a failure it obviously won’t continue. And if it’s not (and some of the data up thread point to positive outcomes), then that’s a great thing for kids.
Those of us who have been in MCPS for a long time understand that MCPS cherry picks data and spins it to support whatever they want their narrative to be, whether that's what's really going on or not. I'm interested to see the data, but I don't trust the data that MCPS puts out there--if that makes sense.
+1. See the suspension data--MCPS pats themselves on the back that the suspension rate has been lowered, but that doesn't mean behavior has improved. In fact, it's gotten worse now that there aren't meaningful consequences for the behavior. Central Office is either unaware or doesn't care about what's really going on in schools because they're not the ones who have to deal with it--they only care about optics.
Anonymous
08/03/2018 10:47
Subject: Re:Extended School Year Approved for 2 MoCo Elementary Schools
Anonymous wrote:Not sure why some of the teachers on this board are so quick to be negative. It’s a pilot at 2 schools that was just approved on Monday. Give McPS a chance to try it and see what happens. If it’s a failure it obviously won’t continue. And if it’s not (and some of the data up thread point to positive outcomes), then that’s a great thing for kids.
How many years will the pilot run in order to get the longitudinal data? What happens to the kids, families, and teachers who don't want to be part of an experiment?
Anonymous
08/03/2018 10:46
Subject: Re:Extended School Year Approved for 2 MoCo Elementary Schools
I would love to have this at my non-title 1 elementary school. Looking forward to seeing how it works out at these two schools.
Anonymous
08/03/2018 10:42
Subject: Re:Extended School Year Approved for 2 MoCo Elementary Schools
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Not sure why some of the teachers on this board are so quick to be negative. It’s a pilot at 2 schools that was just approved on Monday. Give McPS a chance to try it and see what happens. If it’s a failure it obviously won’t continue. And if it’s not (and some of the data up thread point to positive outcomes), then that’s a great thing for kids.
Those of us who have been in MCPS for a long time understand that MCPS cherry picks data and spins it to support whatever they want their narrative to be, whether that's what's really going on or not. I'm interested to see the data, but I don't trust the data that MCPS puts out there--if that makes sense.
That doesn't get us anywhere, though, PP. If the premise is that MCPS always cooks the books, then we can't know anything or learn anything.
+1. Is McPS staff see data being falsified why aren’t they calling it out? They would have whistleblower protection.
Anonymous
08/03/2018 10:37
Subject: Re:Extended School Year Approved for 2 MoCo Elementary Schools
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Not sure why some of the teachers on this board are so quick to be negative. It’s a pilot at 2 schools that was just approved on Monday. Give McPS a chance to try it and see what happens. If it’s a failure it obviously won’t continue. And if it’s not (and some of the data up thread point to positive outcomes), then that’s a great thing for kids.
Those of us who have been in MCPS for a long time understand that MCPS cherry picks data and spins it to support whatever they want their narrative to be, whether that's what's really going on or not. I'm interested to see the data, but I don't trust the data that MCPS puts out there--if that makes sense.
That doesn't get us anywhere, though, PP. If the premise is that MCPS always cooks the books, then we can't know anything or learn anything.
Anonymous
08/03/2018 10:35
Subject: Re:Extended School Year Approved for 2 MoCo Elementary Schools
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Not sure why some of the teachers on this board are so quick to be negative. It’s a pilot at 2 schools that was just approved on Monday. Give McPS a chance to try it and see what happens. If it’s a failure it obviously won’t continue. And if it’s not (and some of the data up thread point to positive outcomes), then that’s a great thing for kids.
Those of us who have been in MCPS for a long time understand that MCPS cherry picks data and spins it to support whatever they want their narrative to be, whether that's what's really going on or not. I'm interested to see the data, but I don't trust the data that MCPS puts out there--if that makes sense.
Well if MCPS is cherrypicking and falsifying data, that’s a systemwide issue not specific to this pilot that staff should identify and make public. I am an MCPS parent with no inside knowledge and dog in this race, and I am glad they’re piloting new ideas to close the achievement gap. And if it doesn’t work, fine, move on.
Anonymous
08/03/2018 10:31
Subject: Re:Extended School Year Approved for 2 MoCo Elementary Schools
Anonymous wrote:Not sure why some of the teachers on this board are so quick to be negative. It’s a pilot at 2 schools that was just approved on Monday. Give McPS a chance to try it and see what happens. If it’s a failure it obviously won’t continue. And if it’s not (and some of the data up thread point to positive outcomes), then that’s a great thing for kids.
Those of us who have been in MCPS for a long time understand that MCPS cherry picks data and spins it to support whatever they want their narrative to be, whether that's what's really going on or not. I'm interested to see the data, but I don't trust the data that MCPS puts out there--if that makes sense.