Anonymous wrote:Yet you're the one posting here. I think that says a lot.

I am responding because OP is asking about non-Catholic, non-legacy girls, of which I am one. OP's daughter will need to be smart to get in, as you said, because of all the Catholic, legacy dim bulbs that will be ahead of her for admission. But if she does get in, I feel confident that she can find her niche, socially and academically. There are some Visitation posters on this threads who imagine that the girls are sitting around in the lodge discussing catechism in their spare time and think that non-Catholics will feel alienated, and nothing could be farther from the truth.

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Anonymous wrote:Non-Catholic Visi grad here. My parents chose Visitation for academics, proximity, and price, in that order. I am still close friends with many classmates 20 years after graduation, both Catholics and non-Catholics. Yes, there is a huge contingent of unbelievably stupid Catholic legacy girls who swan around with boyfriend drama. The rest of the smart girls ignore them and hang out together. I loved my time there and got a great education. YMMV

Your parents chose GV for the academics, but the student body has a “huge contingent of unbelievably stupid Catholic legacy girls”?

I guess it’s possible to carve out a little niche at any school.

Yes. There were plenty of honors and AP classes that challenged smart girls. You could put a whole honors/advanced math schedule together and only see the idiots in Religion class.

It doesn’t sound like you learned much from attending Visitation.

You must be a legacy parent. I can tell you I learned a lot more than those girls did. 20+ years later many of them haven't done much more than cranked out a bunch of children. They get drunk and cry at reunion. Sad but true.

Sounds like you didn’t like a majority of your classmates then and don’t like them any better now.

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Anonymous wrote:Very very wealthy and very few non Catholics, I went there. I would not recommend it to a middle class kid.

Tell me more about this...hypothetically debating between Visi and a NOVA diocesan high school for our daughter. We are middle class.

Depends a lot on your daughter and what she is like. Can she tolerate being a little different easily?

Lots of these girls are legacies. Many of them are from longtime suburban Maryland and NW DC families, who would never consider living in Virginia. Although it's only a few miles away, its uncharted territory.

You must be talking about 30 years ago. 40% of the current student body lives in Virginia.

That may be true, but I don’t think it does much to change the opinions of The DC and suburban MD people who view Virginia negatively. In their minds, it’s a place for non-DC natives who are attracted by lower real estate prices initially. The percentage of the Catholics in the population between the two is hugely different.

Yet you're the one posting here. I think that says a lot.

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Anonymous wrote:Non-Catholic Visi grad here. My parents chose Visitation for academics, proximity, and price, in that order. I am still close friends with many classmates 20 years after graduation, both Catholics and non-Catholics. Yes, there is a huge contingent of unbelievably stupid Catholic legacy girls who swan around with boyfriend drama. The rest of the smart girls ignore them and hang out together. I loved my time there and got a great education. YMMV

Your parents chose GV for the academics, but the student body has a “huge contingent of unbelievably stupid Catholic legacy girls”?

I guess it’s possible to carve out a little niche at any school.

Yes. There were plenty of honors and AP classes that challenged smart girls. You could put a whole honors/advanced math schedule together and only see the idiots in Religion class.

It doesn’t sound like you learned much from attending Visitation.

You must be a legacy parent. I can tell you I learned a lot more than those girls did. 20+ years later many of them haven't done much more than cranked out a bunch of children. They get drunk and cry at reunion. Sad but true.

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Anonymous wrote:Non-Catholic Visi grad here. My parents chose Visitation for academics, proximity, and price, in that order. I am still close friends with many classmates 20 years after graduation, both Catholics and non-Catholics. Yes, there is a huge contingent of unbelievably stupid Catholic legacy girls who swan around with boyfriend drama. The rest of the smart girls ignore them and hang out together. I loved my time there and got a great education. YMMV

Your parents chose GV for the academics, but the student body has a “huge contingent of unbelievably stupid Catholic legacy girls”?

I guess it’s possible to carve out a little niche at any school.

Yes. There were plenty of honors and AP classes that challenged smart girls. You could put a whole honors/advanced math schedule together and only see the idiots in Religion class.

It doesn’t sound like you learned much from attending Visitation.

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Anonymous wrote:Non-Catholic Visi grad here. My parents chose Visitation for academics, proximity, and price, in that order. I am still close friends with many classmates 20 years after graduation, both Catholics and non-Catholics. Yes, there is a huge contingent of unbelievably stupid Catholic legacy girls who swan around with boyfriend drama. The rest of the smart girls ignore them and hang out together. I loved my time there and got a great education. YMMV

Your parents chose GV for the academics, but the student body has a “huge contingent of unbelievably stupid Catholic legacy girls”?

I guess it’s possible to carve out a little niche at any school.

Yes. There were plenty of honors and AP classes that challenged smart girls. You could put a whole honors/advanced math schedule together and only see the idiots in Religion class.

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Anonymous wrote:Very very wealthy and very few non Catholics, I went there. I would not recommend it to a middle class kid.

Tell me more about this...hypothetically debating between Visi and a NOVA diocesan high school for our daughter. We are middle class.

Depends a lot on your daughter and what she is like. Can she tolerate being a little different easily?

Lots of these girls are legacies. Many of them are from longtime suburban Maryland and NW DC families, who would never consider living in Virginia. Although it's only a few miles away, its uncharted territory.

You must be talking about 30 years ago. 40% of the current student body lives in Virginia.

Anonymous wrote:Non-Catholic Visi grad here. My parents chose Visitation for academics, proximity, and price, in that order. I am still close friends with many classmates 20 years after graduation, both Catholics and non-Catholics. Yes, there is a huge contingent of unbelievably stupid Catholic legacy girls who swan around with boyfriend drama. The rest of the smart girls ignore them and hang out together. I loved my time there and got a great education. YMMV

Your parents chose GV for the academics, but the student body has a “huge contingent of unbelievably stupid Catholic legacy girls”?

I guess it’s possible to carve out a little niche at any school.

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Anonymous wrote:Very very wealthy and very few non Catholics, I went there. I would not recommend it to a middle class kid.

Tell me more about this...hypothetically debating between Visi and a NOVA diocesan high school for our daughter. We are middle class.

Wait until your DD visits the school.

I agree with this. She should visit and see what she thinks. I do think that it makes a difference if you are middle class government workers vs. middle class mechanic or something more blue collar. Also, do you live in Annandale or Arlington, Bowie or Bethesda? It will make a difference because in the early years when girls can't drive they have to rely on their parents to drive them. Most of the class, at least when I was there, lived in the Bethesda/Chevy Chase/Kensington/Potomac areas and McLean/Great Falls areas. Probably more from Vienna and Arlington now then there used to be just because those areas are getting nicer than they were 30 years ago. So, girls sort of group themselves geographically as that is what works best for hanging out. Maybe things have changed with Uber now, but most parents don't want to drive from Fairfax to Kensington on a regular basis.

If she's amazing at a sport and plays on a team, then it will be easier, but I'd expect her to spend entire weekends at friend's houses if you live far out.

Non-Catholic Visi grad here. My parents chose Visitation for academics, proximity, and price, in that order. I am still close friends with many classmates 20 years after graduation, both Catholics and non-Catholics. Yes, there is a huge contingent of unbelievably stupid Catholic legacy girls who swan around with boyfriend drama. The rest of the smart girls ignore them and hang out together. I loved my time there and got a great education. YMMV

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Anonymous wrote:Why would a non Catholic want to go to a catholic school when there are plenty of public and non Catholic privates!

Because tuition at Visi is around $30,000 while NCS is aroubd $43,000

If it's just about the money, St. John's is only $19,000.

And as a non-Legacy, non-Catholic girl not from one of the parish schools GV depends on for students, you can expect to be at the back of the line for Admission and Financial Aid.

Almost everyone else there is going to the school because it is Catholic and because they are connected to it. You like it because it's cheaper than NCS, which you would prefer. Sounds like a recipe for long-term disappointment to me.

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Anonymous wrote:What about the Visi girls that date other Visi girls?

Are you kidding? Those girls are in the closet. For at least 10 more years.

That’s true. Some of them won’t wven realize until they are married.

Most girls in Catholic school come out in HS. It's the boys that stay in the closet until later.

They will also discuss when they start T, if they are transgender.

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Anonymous wrote:How often does this come up on threads about all-boys schools?

Actually it does, but it is couched differently. The concern is without the civilizing influence of girls in their classes, the boys will lack respect for them.

Of course this is nonsense. These boys have plenty of contact with the opposite sex after school, on weekends and vacations. As do the girls at the single sex girls schools.

My DD studied and socialized primarily with girls during her years of girls high school . The BF thing started towards the end of her senior year which was a good time for her maturity wise. I don’t regret that she focused on school for most of her 4 years of high school rather than boys - that will make a huge difference in her future.

But in coed schools boys and girls socialize without dating. That's the difference, they are friends/work on projects together not just someone you date.

Isn't "hanging out" in these large groups socializing without dating? At a school like Visitation almost all these girls went to grammar schools that served both sexes.

Girls and boys learn differently. Putting them into the same classroom with a single mode of instruction helps some and hurts other.

Those who seem to want both in the same school are hoping to change long established behaviors in an attempt to do a little social engineering. The overwhelming majority of Americans have gone to schools with both sexes. How's that working out?

It’s not just that boys and girls learn differently, it’s that arbitrary sex role stereotypes take over and suddenly girls aren’t good at math and science and boys aren’t good at ‘reading’. The kids themselves feel pressure to align themselves with those stereotypes. Single sex education is much better at this age - the dating and mingling at school can wa

It's not the 80's anymore.

Those studies were about middle school students.

The girls now are top students, top athletes and going to Ivy's. Boy are with them side by side... day in and day out... in honors, IB and STEM programs, lifting weight at the gym, working on projects together. they are friends and they hang out because it is more natural to go somewhere together because they are always together not on a date, just friends. It happens more in coed school, boys treating girls as equals instead of just somebody you date and you imagine is only better at reading.

This does not happen in single sex schools. But who cares, join a club, do that through your church, maybe your child has a ton of sibling of one gender and the single sex works for them. Own your decision but understand the pros and cons.

The coed schools have a more normalized boy-girl relationship where boys and girls are partners and girls are okay beating boys and don't have to dumb down to be "liked".

I agree that this is not so much true in middle school. That is why STA and NCS start to mix in HS. (Of course we know the middle school mixing was a bit of a disaster.)

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Anonymous wrote:What about the Visi girls that date other Visi girls?

Are you kidding? Those girls are in the closet. For at least 10 more years.

That’s true. Some of them won’t wven realize until they are married.