What if someone doesn't want to date a self-mutilator and doesn't care whether that non-desire is characterized as "bigotry" or perhaps alternatively "common sense"?

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Anonymous wrote:It's not bigotry to not be attracted to a certain type. It is bigotry to be attracted and even start dating, find out, then dump them.

What's screwed up is not being honest with someone from the start. I absolutely would dump a trans person who did not tell me from the start.

Tell you that they’d had surgery to fix body parts? Do you discuss all surgeries with prospective dates?

DP. Tell me that they weren't a man. Just as if I asked a man out and he was gay, I'd expect him to tell me he's not interested in me since I'm a woman, and not wait until I'd invested a bunch of time with him and then tell me that he's gay and sex is off the table but we can be friends. (And he'd originally agreed to go out with me because he was looking for friends, even though he was aware I'd asked him out on a date.)

I also wouldn't expect a guy to spring suprise!micropenis or surprise!disfiguringaccident or surprise!HIV on me. All of these issues should be brought up early on.

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Anonymous wrote:It's not bigotry to not be attracted to a certain type. It is bigotry to be attracted and even start dating, find out, then dump them.

What's screwed up is not being honest with someone from the start. I absolutely would dump a trans person who did not tell me from the start.

Tell you that they’d had surgery to fix body parts? Do you discuss all surgeries with prospective dates?

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Anonymous wrote:It's not bigotry to not be attracted to a certain type. It is bigotry to be attracted and even start dating, find out, then dump them.

What if you dump them because you want bio-kids?

That’s not bigotry either since presumably, you’d also dump a cisgender person who was infertile.

Anonymous wrote:It's not bigotry to not be attracted to a certain type. It is bigotry to be attracted and even start dating, find out, then dump them.

No. This is garbage.

What did the tranny say to the woman learning to drive stick?

You’re grinding my gears lady!

Anonymous wrote:It's not bigotry to not be attracted to a certain type. It is bigotry to be attracted and even start dating, find out, then dump them.

What's screwed up is not being honest with someone from the start. I absolutely would dump a trans person who did not tell me from the start.

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Anonymous wrote:I am male, straight, but had a fling with a trans man once. He had the lady parts I liked with much less of the female drama.

As a she, she would have been heterosexual but had no interest in typical feminine things.

As a man he was typical. Liked sports, beer, porn...and had a lady parts.

It was like having a best friend you could f**k.

You are not straight then.

Actually, I am. I have no desire to date someone who has a penis. This person did not have a penis. He may have considered himself gay or bi, but for me, I got the lady parts without the drama.

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Birth biology?
You do understand it's impossible for a biological woman to become a biological man, don't you?

A transgender person, or any person, can have whatever gender presentation they wish. It doesn't change their biology. Not their "birth biology" but their actual biology.

You’re calling it gender presentation, but to others it’s about more than presentation, it’s about identity. The point is that biology isn’t determinative for some people. The biological male/female dichotomy is not absolute anyway. There has always been biological ambiguity among humans in nature: people who are xxy, born with ambiguous genitalia, etc. Even biology is more nuanced than you want to accept. Open your mind. If someone was born xy and developed a male body but feels she’s is a woman and that body doesn’t reflect who she is, has medical treatments to feminize her body, lives as a woman and is attracted to women, why be an ass and insist she cannot consider herself a woman and a lesbian? What is it to you? How does it threaten you? Why do you get to define who’s a woman and who’s a lesbian?

Of course there always will be science deniers.

No, not at all.

It IS bigotry to believe that trans people should not have rights, or that they have the right to date whomever they want (consenting, obviously).

Just as you (and I) have the right to date whoever I want (with consent). I may not want to date a transgender person, but I wholly respect and believe in their right to be and live however they like. Just as I believe for anyone and everyone, who isn't hurting or harming another.

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Birth biology?
You do understand it's impossible for a biological woman to become a biological man, don't you?

A transgender person, or any person, can have whatever gender presentation they wish. It doesn't change their biology. Not their "birth biology" but their actual biology.

You’re calling it gender presentation, but to others it’s about more than presentation, it’s about identity. The point is that biology isn’t determinative for some people. The biological male/female dichotomy is not absolute anyway. There has always been biological ambiguity among humans in nature: people who are xxy, born with ambiguous genitalia, etc. Even biology is more nuanced than you want to accept. Open your mind. If someone was born xy and developed a male body but feels she’s is a woman and that body doesn’t reflect who she is, has medical treatments to feminize her body, lives as a woman and is attracted to women, why be an ass and insist she cannot consider herself a woman and a lesbian? What is it to you? How does it threaten you? Why do you get to define who’s a woman and who’s a lesbian?

Biology isn't determinative about gender presentation for anyone. Women don't break out into hives if they wear pants. Men don't run a fever if they don a dress.

There are intersex people, yes. That is not transgender. And intersex people aren't anymore proof that humans aren't biologically male and female than that someone born without one or more legs is proof that humans aren't two legged mammals.

A child born without two legs is still a human. A woman who feels more comfortable presenting a masculine face to the world is still biologically a woman. A person born intersex or with other chromosomal abnormalities is still a human.

I'll also tell flat earthers they're idiotic science deniers, so no one should feel too special.

You can call yourself whatever you want. I'll agree with you when it's a matter of preference - e.g. your name, your pronouns - but I'll be damned if I agree that the earth is flat or that someone can change their biology or that their biology determines how they appear. Women have fought too hard for equal rights to let gender or biological essentialism nose its way back into the tent now.

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Birth biology?
You do understand it's impossible for a biological woman to become a biological man, don't you?

A transgender person, or any person, can have whatever gender presentation they wish. It doesn't change their biology. Not their "birth biology" but their actual biology.

You’re calling it gender presentation, but to others it’s about more than presentation, it’s about identity. The point is that biology isn’t determinative for some people. The biological male/female dichotomy is not absolute anyway. There has always been biological ambiguity among humans in nature: people who are xxy, born with ambiguous genitalia, etc. Even biology is more nuanced than you want to accept. Open your mind. If someone was born xy and developed a male body but feels she’s is a woman and that body doesn’t reflect who she is, has medical treatments to feminize her body, lives as a woman and is attracted to women, why be an ass and insist she cannot consider herself a woman and a lesbian? What is it to you? How does it threaten you? Why do you get to define who’s a woman and who’s a lesbian?

Date whom you wish.

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Anonymous wrote:It's not bigotry to not be attracted to a certain type. It is bigotry to be attracted and even start dating, find out, then dump them.

What if you dump them because you want bio-kids?

So times it is easier. I know one female trans person who banked sperm before undergoing hormone therapy. She is also a lesbian, so when the time comes, her partner can bear children that are biologically both of theirs.

How is a man ever a lesbian?

Come on people.

When he's not really a man, but a woman.

But a lesbian is about sexual attraction. A biological woman attracted to a biological woman. There are lesbians who are attracted to all sorts of different gender presentations, the full range from masculine to feminine.

Transgender people are dealing with gender presentation. Presenting as a feminine person and using female pronouns doesn't make someone a biological woman. There are also people who are attracted to men with the full range of gender presentation, from masculine to feminine.

The thing is not everyone defines it like you do. For some it's "a woman attracted to a woman." How their bodies started out in life chromosome-wise or physically is not the definition of "woman" for everyone. A trans-woman feels and considers herself a woman. Period. And many others accept her as such. Birth biology is not the definition of being a woman for everyone.

Birth biology?
You do understand it's impossible for a biological woman to become a biological man, don't you?

A transgender person, or any person, can have whatever gender presentation they wish. It doesn't change their biology. Not their "birth biology" but their actual biology.

No