Anonymous
10/30/2018 11:17
Subject: Re:If your son got recruited to play college lacrosse, please share your experience and tips...
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Club play at the tournaments can be hard to watch. Basically a pickup game with ballhogs and their parents making it ugly lacrosse. Contrast that with high school team play. Watching any WCAC or IAC game is so much more enjoyable and revealing about a players lax iq, team play and overall talent.
This. It's just that college coaches can't get to high schools games - this is why the NHS fall/summer tournaments are popular as well as club teams - as mentioned previously - they do play a role in the recruiting process even after the rule change.
College coaches are adept at using something called film. They are routinely asking schools in the IAC, WCAC and MIAA to send them film of the spring high school games. Nowadays anytime a kid plays in a high school game, it is possible that many college coaches are watching, or will be the following day in their office. The summer circuit is less meaningful now for sure, but these coaches still do go to summer tournaments to show the flag and see their buddies.
It's a lot more about quantity. College coaches love the club scene because they can see the equivalent of 10 games in a day if they are inclined. Most coaches will flat out tell you that film might peak their interest, but they want to see you play in person, watch you interact with coaches, teammates and parents in the summer heat and in the last game of a long day. HS is important, but raw talent is much more important than what HS you play for. These kids from Florida, Utah, California, Washington State, Arizona, Texas, Michigan, Alabama, etc. often aren't the beneficiaries of elite HS coaching or competition. They are kids with talent and athletic ability and benefited from exposure traveling with their club teams.
Anonymous
10/30/2018 10:50
Subject: Re:If your son got recruited to play college lacrosse, please share your experience and tips...
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Club play at the tournaments can be hard to watch. Basically a pickup game with ballhogs and their parents making it ugly lacrosse. Contrast that with high school team play. Watching any WCAC or IAC game is so much more enjoyable and revealing about a players lax iq, team play and overall talent.
This. It's just that college coaches can't get to high schools games - this is why the NHS fall/summer tournaments are popular as well as club teams - as mentioned previously - they do play a role in the recruiting process even after the rule change.
College coaches are adept at using something called film. They are routinely asking schools in the IAC, WCAC and MIAA to send them film of the spring high school games. Nowadays anytime a kid plays in a high school game, it is possible that many college coaches are watching, or will be the following day in their office. The summer circuit is less meaningful now for sure, but these coaches still do go to summer tournaments to show the flag and see their buddies.
College coaches watching full high school game film? That seems time consuming and low yield to me. You sure?
Anonymous
10/30/2018 09:33
Subject: Re:If your son got recruited to play college lacrosse, please share your experience and tips...
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Club play at the tournaments can be hard to watch. Basically a pickup game with ballhogs and their parents making it ugly lacrosse. Contrast that with high school team play. Watching any WCAC or IAC game is so much more enjoyable and revealing about a players lax iq, team play and overall talent.
This. It's just that college coaches can't get to high schools games - this is why the NHS fall/summer tournaments are popular as well as club teams - as mentioned previously - they do play a role in the recruiting process even after the rule change.
College coaches are adept at using something called film. They are routinely asking schools in the IAC, WCAC and MIAA to send them film of the spring high school games. Nowadays anytime a kid plays in a high school game, it is possible that many college coaches are watching, or will be the following day in their office. The summer circuit is less meaningful now for sure, but these coaches still do go to summer tournaments to show the flag and see their buddies.
Anonymous
10/30/2018 06:52
Subject: Re:If your son got recruited to play college lacrosse, please share your experience and tips...
Anonymous wrote:Club play at the tournaments can be hard to watch. Basically a pickup game with ballhogs and their parents making it ugly lacrosse. Contrast that with high school team play. Watching any WCAC or IAC game is so much more enjoyable and revealing about a players lax iq, team play and overall talent.
This. It's just that college coaches can't get to high schools games - this is why the NHS fall/summer tournaments are popular as well as club teams - as mentioned previously - they do play a role in the recruiting process even after the rule change.
Anonymous
10/30/2018 01:16
Subject: Re:If your son got recruited to play college lacrosse, please share your experience and tips...
Club play at the tournaments can be hard to watch. Basically a pickup game with ballhogs and their parents making it ugly lacrosse. Contrast that with high school team play. Watching any WCAC or IAC game is so much more enjoyable and revealing about a players lax iq, team play and overall talent.
Anonymous
10/29/2018 16:06
Subject: Re:If your son got recruited to play college lacrosse, please share your experience and tips...
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Club matters less, and school more now that recruiting has been pushed back to junior year. Agree still need to play for a top club.
What's the logic? Recruiting push back enhances importance of school over club?
If your son is on Madlax's top team (or any equivalent club team to Madlax's top team) and a starter at a good high school lacrosse program--like Landon, Prep, Gonzaga--the odds are very high that he is going to be recruited by a number of D1 schools.
You don't actually need the and a starter at a good HS team... there are plenty of kids on terrible HS teams that play for Madlax's (or equivalent) top team and play D1.
I do not think the poster was saying that a kid had to check those two boxes, but rather, was saying if they are both checked then odds are very high that the player is recruited at D1. In any event, there are many college caches who put a premium on a quality high school program. Those programs teach the game, and the players are "tactically" more advanced than others who do not have the benefit of a strong high school program. Club ball resembles a pick up game with a few basic defensive schemes, and a lot of one v one dodging on offense by kids who hog the ball and want to shoot at any cost. There is many a club player who is quite an individual player but has a lot of learning to do before he can contribute to a team in the manner that many college coaches want.
Every kid that goes to college has a lot to learn.
You really are putting too much value on a few 1/2 decent games each team gets to play a year.
Good clubs play 20+ high quality games in 6 weeks every summer, HS .. your lucky to get 2-3 quality games. Plus you have play with some scrubs that never made a quality club team.
Club play is light years ahead of even the best lacrosse in the DC schools.
I'll have to agree with the prior poster and not this immediate post. Having seen clubs play too many summers and games like Gonzaga v Landon, Landon v Prep, Prep v Bullis, Bullis v St. Johns, I can assure you that the high school teams I mentioned are far superior to the clubs. First, those high school teams have the best kids from the clubs on the field from grades 10-12, they are well coached, scout opponents and have a plan. On the club circuit, it is basically a bunch of good athletes who show up and play pick up. The games are NOT high quality; the athletic effort might be. Landon, Prep, Bullis, Gonzaga, St. Johns, Paul VI are not fielding "scrubs". Maybe lesser lacrosse schools have that issue.
Anonymous
10/29/2018 15:30
Subject: Re:If your son got recruited to play college lacrosse, please share your experience and tips...
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Club matters less, and school more now that recruiting has been pushed back to junior year. Agree still need to play for a top club.
What's the logic? Recruiting push back enhances importance of school over club?
If your son is on Madlax's top team (or any equivalent club team to Madlax's top team) and a starter at a good high school lacrosse program--like Landon, Prep, Gonzaga--the odds are very high that he is going to be recruited by a number of D1 schools.
You don't actually need the and a starter at a good HS team... there are plenty of kids on terrible HS teams that play for Madlax's (or equivalent) top team and play D1.
I do not think the poster was saying that a kid had to check those two boxes, but rather, was saying if they are both checked then odds are very high that the player is recruited at D1. In any event, there are many college caches who put a premium on a quality high school program. Those programs teach the game, and the players are "tactically" more advanced than others who do not have the benefit of a strong high school program. Club ball resembles a pick up game with a few basic defensive schemes, and a lot of one v one dodging on offense by kids who hog the ball and want to shoot at any cost. There is many a club player who is quite an individual player but has a lot of learning to do before he can contribute to a team in the manner that many college coaches want.
Every kid that goes to college has a lot to learn.
You really are putting too much value on a few 1/2 decent games each team gets to play a year.
Good clubs play 20+ high quality games in 6 weeks every summer, HS .. your lucky to get 2-3 quality games. Plus you have play with some scrubs that never made a quality club team.
Club play is light years ahead of even the best lacrosse in the DC schools.
Anonymous
10/29/2018 15:10
Subject: Re:If your son got recruited to play college lacrosse, please share your experience and tips...
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Club matters less, and school more now that recruiting has been pushed back to junior year. Agree still need to play for a top club.
What's the logic? Recruiting push back enhances importance of school over club?
If your son is on Madlax's top team (or any equivalent club team to Madlax's top team) and a starter at a good high school lacrosse program--like Landon, Prep, Gonzaga--the odds are very high that he is going to be recruited by a number of D1 schools.
You don't actually need the and a starter at a good HS team... there are plenty of kids on terrible HS teams that play for Madlax's (or equivalent) top team and play D1.
I do not think the poster was saying that a kid had to check those two boxes, but rather, was saying if they are both checked then odds are very high that the player is recruited at D1. In any event, there are many college caches who put a premium on a quality high school program. Those programs teach the game, and the players are "tactically" more advanced than others who do not have the benefit of a strong high school program. Club ball resembles a pick up game with a few basic defensive schemes, and a lot of one v one dodging on offense by kids who hog the ball and want to shoot at any cost. There is many a club player who is quite an individual player but has a lot of learning to do before he can contribute to a team in the manner that many college coaches want.
Exactly. Which is why even high schools with only middling programs, like Potomac, St Albans and Maret still regularly get 2-3 kids recruited at D1/D3 schools per year. These kids have strong lacrosse IQ and get to play against strong programs.
Anonymous
10/29/2018 14:47
Subject: Re:If your son got recruited to play college lacrosse, please share your experience and tips...
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Club matters less, and school more now that recruiting has been pushed back to junior year. Agree still need to play for a top club.
What's the logic? Recruiting push back enhances importance of school over club?
If your son is on Madlax's top team (or any equivalent club team to Madlax's top team) and a starter at a good high school lacrosse program--like Landon, Prep, Gonzaga--the odds are very high that he is going to be recruited by a number of D1 schools.
You don't actually need the and a starter at a good HS team... there are plenty of kids on terrible HS teams that play for Madlax's (or equivalent) top team and play D1.
I do not think the poster was saying that a kid had to check those two boxes, but rather, was saying if they are both checked then odds are very high that the player is recruited at D1. In any event, there are many college caches who put a premium on a quality high school program. Those programs teach the game, and the players are "tactically" more advanced than others who do not have the benefit of a strong high school program. Club ball resembles a pick up game with a few basic defensive schemes, and a lot of one v one dodging on offense by kids who hog the ball and want to shoot at any cost. There is many a club player who is quite an individual player but has a lot of learning to do before he can contribute to a team in the manner that many college coaches want.
Anonymous
10/29/2018 12:05
Subject: Re:If your son got recruited to play college lacrosse, please share your experience and tips...
Best team tournaments this fall for recruiting?
Anonymous
10/29/2018 11:59
Subject: Re:If your son got recruited to play college lacrosse, please share your experience and tips...
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Club matters less, and school more now that recruiting has been pushed back to junior year. Agree still need to play for a top club.
What's the logic? Recruiting push back enhances importance of school over club?
If your son is on Madlax's top team (or any equivalent club team to Madlax's top team) and a starter at a good high school lacrosse program--like Landon, Prep, Gonzaga--the odds are very high that he is going to be recruited by a number of D1 schools.
You don't actually need the and a starter at a good HS team... there are plenty of kids on terrible HS teams that play for Madlax's (or equivalent) top team and play D1.
Anonymous
10/29/2018 11:57
Subject: Re:If your son got recruited to play college lacrosse, please share your experience and tips...
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Club matters less, and school more now that recruiting has been pushed back to junior year. Agree still need to play for a top club.
What's the logic? Recruiting push back enhances importance of school over club?
If your son is on Madlax's top team (or any equivalent club team to Madlax's top team) and a starter at a good high school lacrosse program--like Landon, Prep, Gonzaga--the odds are very high that he is going to be recruited by a number of D1 schools.
Anonymous
10/28/2018 10:39
Subject: If your son got recruited to play college lacrosse, please share your experience and tips...
Don't forget your student athlete can fill out recruiting questionnaires that are on most college lax websites and include a link to a short video. Also emails directly to coaches with link, short bio, GPA, test scores if you have and upcoming tournaments are what's been consistently recommended by D1/D3 coaches as well as DS's top club and DS's private school.
Anonymous
10/28/2018 09:49
Subject: Re:If your son got recruited to play college lacrosse, please share your experience and tips...
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Club matters less, and school more now that recruiting has been pushed back to junior year. Agree still need to play for a top club.
What's the logic? Recruiting push back enhances importance of school over club?
It is just a return to the historical pattern. Club mattered more only when kids were committing with only a season or less of high school lacrosse experience.
Anonymous
10/28/2018 09:00
Subject: Re:If your son got recruited to play college lacrosse, please share your experience and tips...
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Club matters less, and school more now that recruiting has been pushed back to junior year. Agree still need to play for a top club.
What's the logic? Recruiting push back enhances importance of school over club?
DP. I'm not sure the logic or how they are correlated but it definitely has trended this way for the past 3-5 years. High school coaches are much more prominent in the club recruiting process and are running the process much better for guys than the club coaches. My observation is for private high schools. I am not as familiar with public high schools and lax.