Anonymous
Post 06/04/2018 21:15     Subject: AAP Appeal Results Thread (now that decisions are out)
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:^There have been numerous studies that have shown that teachers are less likely to "see" giftedness in black or Hispanic children than they are for similar white and Asian children.


PP who appealed. I didn't want to say this, but yeah. This.

Our school also has one annual goal, reducing the performance gap for black children. We have a small black population like 5 percent, so this might play a role. My kid was performing well on the i-ready and I imagine they saw a compliant, good student who they could use for that purpose. I don't think that fair since my child has a right to an education based on her own needs and a right to access whatever services she's entitled to that is offered by the county. I sniffed that out in my conversations with people at the school, but it's a good reminder to black or latino parents. We have to be super careful.

Another fun, awesome thing about the black experience in America. Sigh.


you are incoherent, and make no sense. you might as well just spare your explanation.


I had no trouble understanding her. Maybe you should read it again.


I couldn't understand either! Maybe its just me


Didn't make sense to me either. Did she want her child in or not?
Anonymous
Post 06/04/2018 21:14     Subject: AAP Appeal Results Thread (now that decisions are out)
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:^There have been numerous studies that have shown that teachers are less likely to "see" giftedness in black or Hispanic children than they are for similar white and Asian children.


PP who appealed. I didn't want to say this, but yeah. This.

Our school also has one annual goal, reducing the performance gap for black children. We have a small black population like 5 percent, so this might play a role. My kid was performing well on the i-ready and I imagine they saw a compliant, good student who they could use for that purpose. I don't think that fair since my child has a right to an education based on her own needs and a right to access whatever services she's entitled to that is offered by the county. I sniffed that out in my conversations with people at the school, but it's a good reminder to black or latino parents. We have to be super careful.

Another fun, awesome thing about the black experience in America. Sigh.


you are incoherent, and make no sense. you might as well just spare your explanation.




I had no trouble understanding her. Maybe you should read it again.


I couldn't understand either! Maybe its just me


I can explain it as a FCPS teacher. The school was hoarding their bright black children. The admin made the decision that looking better was more important than giving up 25 percent of your black children population to an AAP center. It's crazy but happens all the time.

Listen, FCPS is a machine. And in terms of understanding why a kid who would benefit and qualify for AAP is not allowed to go...there is a reason. It's because that kid has value to the base. Which is ironically the reason why the child needs AAP...

And that is why the appeal process and WISC testing needs to be promoted more. I teach at an upper elementary grade where the pressure isn't so bad. I have sent so, so many children to the center who qualified based on test scores, but were tanked on the GBRS.


I understood gbrs to be decided by a panel. Are they discussing things of this sort or is everyone silently making the same calculation?
Anonymous
Post 06/04/2018 21:08     Subject: Re:AAP Appeal Results Thread (now that decisions are out)
I posted a few weeks ago because I was hemming and hawing over whether to include these WISC scores:

FSIQ 125
VCI 124
VSI 147
FRI 112
WMI 120
PSI 92

As fate would have it, I forgot to bring the WISC report with me as left the house early in the morning I was to mail the appeal packet and just said F it and mailed it in without it.
All I included was a strong letter detailing DS's accomplishments, and a couple of DS's writing samples.

No NNAT
Cogat 127
GBRS 13
DRA 50 (grade 4)
Reading SOL 528
Math SOL 552

IN

Anonymous
Post 06/04/2018 21:08     Subject: AAP Appeal Results Thread (now that decisions are out)
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:^There have been numerous studies that have shown that teachers are less likely to "see" giftedness in black or Hispanic children than they are for similar white and Asian children.


PP who appealed. I didn't want to say this, but yeah. This.

Our school also has one annual goal, reducing the performance gap for black children. We have a small black population like 5 percent, so this might play a role. My kid was performing well on the i-ready and I imagine they saw a compliant, good student who they could use for that purpose. I don't think that fair since my child has a right to an education based on her own needs and a right to access whatever services she's entitled to that is offered by the county. I sniffed that out in my conversations with people at the school, but it's a good reminder to black or latino parents. We have to be super careful.

Another fun, awesome thing about the black experience in America. Sigh.


Lordy. AA mom here. This is exactly the fear for my son. He already reads at a third grade level in first grade, but I’m sure they’ll see his curiosity and questioning as petulance. Congrats to you and your daughter.
Anonymous
Post 06/04/2018 20:51     Subject: Re:AAP Appeal Results Thread (now that decisions are out)
Does esol has any impact on the kid getting into the aap program.
Anonymous
Post 06/04/2018 20:33     Subject: AAP Appeal Results Thread (now that decisions are out)
18:09 I am sorry your kid couldn't get in. I see lot of kids with the scores similar to your kid got in. Is your kid in esol, my friends kid 2 years back was in the same position also.
Anonymous
Post 06/04/2018 19:39     Subject: AAP Appeal Results Thread (now that decisions are out)
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:^There have been numerous studies that have shown that teachers are less likely to "see" giftedness in black or Hispanic children than they are for similar white and Asian children.


PP who appealed. I didn't want to say this, but yeah. This.

Our school also has one annual goal, reducing the performance gap for black children. We have a small black population like 5 percent, so this might play a role. My kid was performing well on the i-ready and I imagine they saw a compliant, good student who they could use for that purpose. I don't think that fair since my child has a right to an education based on her own needs and a right to access whatever services she's entitled to that is offered by the county. I sniffed that out in my conversations with people at the school, but it's a good reminder to black or latino parents. We have to be super careful.

Another fun, awesome thing about the black experience in America. Sigh.


you are incoherent, and make no sense. you might as well just spare your explanation.


I had no trouble understanding her. Maybe you should read it again.


I couldn't understand either! Maybe its just me


I can explain it as a FCPS teacher. The school was hoarding their bright black children. The admin made the decision that looking better was more important than giving up 25 percent of your black children population to an AAP center. It's crazy but happens all the time.

Listen, FCPS is a machine. And in terms of understanding why a kid who would benefit and qualify for AAP is not allowed to go...there is a reason. It's because that kid has value to the base. Which is ironically the reason why the child needs AAP...

And that is why the appeal process and WISC testing needs to be promoted more. I teach at an upper elementary grade where the pressure isn't so bad. I have sent so, so many children to the center who qualified based on test scores, but were tanked on the GBRS.
Anonymous
Post 06/04/2018 19:34     Subject: AAP Appeal Results Thread (now that decisions are out)
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:^There have been numerous studies that have shown that teachers are less likely to "see" giftedness in black or Hispanic children than they are for similar white and Asian children.


PP who appealed. I didn't want to say this, but yeah. This.

Our school also has one annual goal, reducing the performance gap for black children. We have a small black population like 5 percent, so this might play a role. My kid was performing well on the i-ready and I imagine they saw a compliant, good student who they could use for that purpose. I don't think that fair since my child has a right to an education based on her own needs and a right to access whatever services she's entitled to that is offered by the county. I sniffed that out in my conversations with people at the school, but it's a good reminder to black or latino parents. We have to be super careful.

Another fun, awesome thing about the black experience in America. Sigh.


you are incoherent, and make no sense. you might as well just spare your explanation.


I had no trouble understanding her. Maybe you should read it again.


I couldn't understand either! Maybe its just me


She has two theories:

1) Her (gifted) DD isn’t viewed as such because of racial biases by those evaluating her;
2) Her DD was appropriately recognized as gifted but given a bad GBRS to sabotage her applicationso she would not leave her base to go to the center because her base needs smart black and Hispanic kids to close the achievement gap.

Nothing confusing about it. Either could have happened. Sad but true.
Anonymous
Post 06/04/2018 19:25     Subject: AAP Appeal Results Thread (now that decisions are out)
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:^There have been numerous studies that have shown that teachers are less likely to "see" giftedness in black or Hispanic children than they are for similar white and Asian children.


PP who appealed. I didn't want to say this, but yeah. This.

Our school also has one annual goal, reducing the performance gap for black children. We have a small black population like 5 percent, so this might play a role. My kid was performing well on the i-ready and I imagine they saw a compliant, good student who they could use for that purpose. I don't think that fair since my child has a right to an education based on her own needs and a right to access whatever services she's entitled to that is offered by the county. I sniffed that out in my conversations with people at the school, but it's a good reminder to black or latino parents. We have to be super careful.

Another fun, awesome thing about the black experience in America. Sigh.


you are incoherent, and make no sense. you might as well just spare your explanation.


I had no trouble understanding her. Maybe you should read it again.


I couldn't understand either! Maybe its just me
Anonymous
Post 06/04/2018 18:45     Subject: AAP Appeal Results Thread (now that decisions are out)
Anonymous wrote:My kid didn't get in with the wisc of 132. He had cogat 127 and nnat 145 and a gbrs of 9.[/quote

Sorry PP. A child with a 132 should be in...
Anonymous
Post 06/04/2018 18:09     Subject: AAP Appeal Results Thread (now that decisions are out)
My kid didn't get in with the wisc of 132. He had cogat 127 and nnat 145 and a gbrs of 9.
Anonymous
Post 06/04/2018 16:47     Subject: AAP Appeal Results Thread (now that decisions are out)

CoGAT: 122
NNAT: 125
GBRS: 12
WISC: 144
In or Out: IN
Anonymous
Post 06/04/2018 16:06     Subject: Re:AAP Appeal Results Thread (now that decisions are out)
CoGAT (Composite score): 123
NNAT: 108
GBRS: 11
WISC: 130



Appeal
DAS-II: 141
In or Out: In
Anonymous
Post 06/04/2018 16:06     Subject: Re:AAP Appeal Results Thread (now that decisions are out)
Anonymous wrote:CoGAT: 117
NNAT: n/a
GBRS: 11
WISC: 137
In or Out: IN

Appealed with recent writing samples, art works, and a cover/parent letter.


I am guessing most of the people who had 130+ WISCs who went out and got a second IQ test may have been in by taking your approach. We saw some odd first round denials of kids that should have been admitted based on WISC alone but rest of the file was weak. I think putting those files in front of the appeal committee, even with the most minimal "new information" likely would have resulted in an IN.
Anonymous
Post 06/04/2018 16:06     Subject: AAP Appeal Results Thread (now that decisions are out)
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:^There have been numerous studies that have shown that teachers are less likely to "see" giftedness in black or Hispanic children than they are for similar white and Asian children.


PP who appealed. I didn't want to say this, but yeah. This.

Our school also has one annual goal, reducing the performance gap for black children. We have a small black population like 5 percent, so this might play a role. My kid was performing well on the i-ready and I imagine they saw a compliant, good student who they could use for that purpose. I don't think that fair since my child has a right to an education based on her own needs and a right to access whatever services she's entitled to that is offered by the county. I sniffed that out in my conversations with people at the school, but it's a good reminder to black or latino parents. We have to be super careful.

Another fun, awesome thing about the black experience in America. Sigh.


you are incoherent, and make no sense. you might as well just spare your explanation.


I had no trouble understanding her. Maybe you should read it again.


+1


Agreed. I feel awful for the original PP. I'm so sorry, but happy you were able to get through on appeal. I didn't think about it, but this is apparently a thing, huh? Sorry, PP.