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Anonymous wrote:That's so awful. I would get to therapy stat. I would also walk her to the front door of that house and demand her to give a sincere in fact apology. I would also write a very long letter to the mother really truly apologizing. I can't imagine how hellish her and her daughter's life has been. I would seriously consider making my daughter change schools and cut social ties.

Ok, that seems a tad much.

yeah the changing schools and cutting social ties... too much

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Anonymous wrote:This is harassment and I would encourage the other family to press charges. My teenage DD would be before a judge in no time if she acted like this. This isn't petty mean girl behavior, this is illegal. If the other family doesn't want to press charges I would look into a scared straight kind of program.

It's illegal to pressure someone about having sex? Wrong, sure, but pressing charges? Please cite a source of a law that would support this.

If it became harassment the parents can turn the text messages over to the police who can determine if they want to press charges. They absolutely can be prosecuted.

What statute do you believe OP’s daughter violated? (Please note, I don’t think we know what jurisdiction OP lives/DD attends school in).

If the victim told OP’s daughter to stop contacting/bothering her, continued texts could violate Maryland’s harassment and telephone misuse statutes. 3-803 and 3-804. Because OP’s daughter is a juvenile that would almost certainly NOT happen, but I believe there’s an argument here that the texts may have violated those two laws, depending on exactly what was said and when.

-a Maryland prosecutor

The point is that these hysterical posters don’t know what was said when, whether the other girl ever asked OP’s daughter to stop sending messages, or what jurisdiction the girls live/go to school in. There’s insufficient information, and it seems way over the top for the PPs to start hyperventilating about criminal charges when no one knows the pertinent details. Unlike your post, which contained the appropriate qualifiers, other PPs aren’t being so responsible.

Op, remember to thank the girl's mom for bringing this to your attention....

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Anonymous wrote:This is harassment and I would encourage the other family to press charges. My teenage DD would be before a judge in no time if she acted like this. This isn't petty mean girl behavior, this is illegal. If the other family doesn't want to press charges I would look into a scared straight kind of program.

It's illegal to pressure someone about having sex? Wrong, sure, but pressing charges? Please cite a source of a law that would support this.

If it became harassment the parents can turn the text messages over to the police who can determine if they want to press charges. They absolutely can be prosecuted.

What statute do you believe OP’s daughter violated? (Please note, I don’t think we know what jurisdiction OP lives/DD attends school in).

If the victim told OP’s daughter to stop contacting/bothering her, continued texts could violate Maryland’s harassment and telephone misuse statutes. 3-803 and 3-804. Because OP’s daughter is a juvenile that would almost certainly NOT happen, but I believe there’s an argument here that the texts may have violated those two laws, depending on exactly what was said and when.

-a Maryland prosecutor

Teenagers, even good ones, sometimes do bad things. Poor judgment is practically the hallmark of the teen years. Your daughter owes this girl an apology that’s every bit as public as the teasing/ pressuring was. And you owe your daughter a conversation about your expectations, etiquette, privacy, and the downsides of social media.

We should all take note of the number of PP who’d like to burn this girl at the stake.

Anonymous wrote:You raised a child who is a part of why me too exists. I would be livid too.

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Anonymous wrote:It was stupid but this is typical teenager behavior to encourage people to do bad things. Peer pressure comes into play also. Punish her and have her apologize, but this hardly seems like a reason to move schools.

No, it is not typical.

You raised a child who is a part of why me too exists. I would be livid too.

Granted I never did anything remotely close to what your daughter did. But the worst punishment I had growing up was having to wrote a 5 page report on why I did something dumb/reckless/etc. it’s agonizing to write.

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Anonymous wrote:According to my daughter the girl had made a public Snapchat about losing her virginity next weeked and was loving the attention the post got but then started to have second thoughts and people started pressuring her not to back out. My DD and this other girl were good but not great friends with this girl and joined in saying things like “don’t back out now or everyone is going to think you just did for attention.” I think my DD and the other girl were also enjoying the attention this situation brought and they went way to far with it all. I will absolutely make her personally apologize to this girl. I’m so disappointed in my DD, she’s always been kind, compassionate and very level headed until this horrible incident.
-op

No. You are now just finding out who your kid really is. This isn’t a minor issue like teasing someone about the shirt they are wearing.

Disagree. You are way off base. You've never egged anyone on to do something dumb? You've never made a joke at someone else's expense and then felt horrible about it? These are learning experiences, and let's face it, the girl who was a target willingly made herself a target by posing about it on snapchat. She needs some serious consequences, too.

Wow. Harassing the girl to have sex is not in the same league as cracking a joke at someone’s expense or egging someone on to do something dumb. Losing your virginity is pretty life altering for most people. Your defense here explains why there are so many bullies in this world. You think it’s acceptable.

And nice to point out that what the girl posted means it’s open season on her. Wow.

The girl is the one who made a joke of her own virginity, though. She's got to own that. Obviously the other kids took it and ran with it. But the one who put this topic out on the table for discussion was the girl. She's the one who announced her intention to lose her virginity.

The whole thing was starting to get out of hand and there was some line crossing when luckily the girl's mother figured out what was going on and put an abrupt end to it before any real damage was done. Hopefully all of these kids will learn a lesson from this and their parents will take the opportunity to discuss it with them in length.

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Anonymous wrote:This is harassment and I would encourage the other family to press charges. My teenage DD would be before a judge in no time if she acted like this. This isn't petty mean girl behavior, this is illegal. If the other family doesn't want to press charges I would look into a scared straight kind of program.

It's illegal to pressure someone about having sex? Wrong, sure, but pressing charges? Please cite a source of a law that would support this.

If it became harassment the parents can turn the text messages over to the police who can determine if they want to press charges. They absolutely can be prosecuted.

What statute do you believe OP’s daughter violated? (Please note, I don’t think we know what jurisdiction OP lives/DD attends school in).

Not the PP, but someone doesn’t need to specify a statute for something to be illegal. And some of these issues are still being figured out anyway in the courts. Some people were shocked when Michelle Carter was convicted of manslaughter ‘just’ for calls and texts and emails.

I think the safest bet is to assume that strongly encouraging a crime (like statutory rape, or for that matter underage drinking) is also a crime. So is bullying someone into allowing themselves to be the victim of a crime. Anything else is tempting fate (and karma) a bit too much for me.

Do you know anything about the American legal system?!

a person can be a party to a crime by doing many different things before, during, and after the crime is committed that can legally make one a party and accessory to the crime.

TPC sec. 7.01. “PARTIES TO OFFENSES” provides that “(a) A person is criminally responsible as a party to an offense if the offense is committed [1] by his own conduct, [2] by the conduct of another for which he is criminally responsible, or [3] by both.” Thus, the person who commits the act is a party and anyone else whom the law defines as a party is criminally responsible for the act. Subsec. (b) provides that each “ party to an offense may be charged with commission of the offense.”

Sec. 7.02, describes three situations where a person is a “party,” i.e., criminally responsible for the conduct of another. If the party does not commit the offense directly, to be liable, the party must want, intend or desire that the other person commit the offense.

Second, a under sec. 7.02 (a)(2), a person is responsible for the acts of another if “acting with intent to promote or assist the commission of the offense, he solicits, encourages, directs, aids, or attempts to aid the other person to commit the offense.” This is the classic definition of an “accomplice” and also includes those who solicit others to commit crimes. (The crime of solicitation is discussed in ch. 7.) Thus is A asks (solicits) B to commit a crime, A intends that the crime be committed, and B commits the crime, A (along with B) are guilty of the crime committed by B.

https://www.avvo.com/legal-answers/what-are-examples-of-accessory-to-rape--721538.html

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Anonymous wrote:According to my daughter the girl had made a public Snapchat about losing her virginity next weeked and was loving the attention the post got but then started to have second thoughts and people started pressuring her not to back out. My DD and this other girl were good but not great friends with this girl and joined in saying things like “don’t back out now or everyone is going to think you just did for attention.” I think my DD and the other girl were also enjoying the attention this situation brought and they went way to far with it all. I will absolutely make her personally apologize to this girl. I’m so disappointed in my DD, she’s always been kind, compassionate and very level headed until this horrible incident.
-op

No. You are now just finding out who your kid really is. This isn’t a minor issue like teasing someone about the shirt they are wearing.

Disagree. You are way off base. You've never egged anyone on to do something dumb? You've never made a joke at someone else's expense and then felt horrible about it? These are learning experiences, and let's face it, the girl who was a target willingly made herself a target by posing about it on snapchat. She needs some serious consequences, too.

Wow. Harassing the girl to have sex is not in the same league as cracking a joke at someone’s expense or egging someone on to do something dumb. Losing your virginity is pretty life altering for most people. Your defense here explains why there are so many bullies in this world. You think it’s acceptable.

And nice to point out that what the girl posted means it’s open season on her. Wow.

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Anonymous wrote:Let me get this straight...are you saying that a young couple at their school was bragging to the other students about how they were going to lose their virginity together. The word got out until pretty much everyone at the school knew that these two were making big plans to lose their virginity together.

Your daughter and her friend started to egg on the girl and (I'm assuming) some of the guys were egging on the boy to have sex.

What probably started off as good natured ribbing turned into more forceful pressuring by your daughter and friends as they grew impatient for this girl to lose her virginity already.

Context is important and I would have to see how the girl was responding to these texts....was she going along with all of this or was she seriously being harassed in a mean spirited way by your daughter and her friends, Op?

Voice of reason, thank you. The harpies are out tonight.

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Amazing how hysterical some of you are.

"Just get drunk". It's not a healthy concept, but it's not an uncommon one. OP should talk to her DD about many things, but a lot of you need to smoke a J and chill the f out.

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Anonymous wrote:This is harassment and I would encourage the other family to press charges. My teenage DD would be before a judge in no time if she acted like this. This isn't petty mean girl behavior, this is illegal. If the other family doesn't want to press charges I would look into a scared straight kind of program.

It's illegal to pressure someone about having sex? Wrong, sure, but pressing charges? Please cite a source of a law that would support this.

If it became harassment the parents can turn the text messages over to the police who can determine if they want to press charges. They absolutely can be prosecuted.

What statute do you believe OP’s daughter violated? (Please note, I don’t think we know what jurisdiction OP lives/DD attends school in).

Not the PP, but someone doesn’t need to specify a statute for something to be illegal. And some of these issues are still being figured out anyway in the courts. Some people were shocked when Michelle Carter was convicted of manslaughter ‘just’ for calls and texts and emails.

I think the safest bet is to assume that strongly encouraging a crime (like statutory rape, or for that matter underage drinking) is also a crime. So is bullying someone into allowing themselves to be the victim of a crime. Anything else is tempting fate (and karma) a bit too much for me.

Do you know anything about the American legal system?!

*context* matters