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Anonymous wrote:So it’s racism if people happen to be minorities... even if the “racist” didn’t know they were minorities? I think these kids could pass as white. They look like some of the really “weird” white kids I went to school with. And if I saw two guys show up late to an organized group somewhere wearing all black, death metal (or whatever) clothes, refusing to give names and just skulking around... yeah I might be suspicious or nervous too unless I knew the tour organizer had checked them off as signed up. Would I call the cops? Probably not, but mostly because I am not assertive. But I would be whispering to DH and we might quietly leave.

I don’t think this woman did the right thing necessarily, but I don’t know that it was racism. Why wasn’t it sexist?

The caller thought they were Hispanic, not white. What does it mean to “just skulk around”? Since when is wearing heavy metal T-shirts dangerous? But really, go ahead and leave when faced with such a serious situation as sharing the tour with guys like these. I wouldn’t mind. Wish the caller had chosen that option also.

One deliberately told her he was Mexican

No, he likely didn't. Listen to the transcript. She said on the call that he responded that way. she probably misheard him say "New Mexico," which is where he is from.

He absolutely did. Then laughed

Let's assume that's true. Which it clearly isn't. Your thesis now becomes a jolly Mexican is a threat to this woman. That's what you're actually trying to argue here?

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Anonymous wrote:My brothers, college aged with longish hair, were driving cross country and were stopped for speeding. The cop then requested backup, got a drug sniffing dog and proceeded to search, pulling out the spare tire and everything, looking for drugs. They didn't have any drugs and after a couple of hours they were let go. Sometimes you are targeted for not looking clean cut. The woman was crazy but the cops at the college tour should have handled it better.

Exactly! The woman said during her phone call that she could be wrong and that she wasn't sure. The police should definitely have been more sensitive that expressed doubt, especially when they met the two young men, who by all accounts were shy and courteous.

These dimwits actually asked these young men why they were "being quiet" on the tour. Really? Maybe they were trying to listen to the tour guide and get the information they came for.

Anonymous wrote:My brothers, college aged with longish hair, were driving cross country and were stopped for speeding. The cop then requested backup, got a drug sniffing dog and proceeded to search, pulling out the spare tire and everything, looking for drugs. They didn't have any drugs and after a couple of hours they were let go. Sometimes you are targeted for not looking clean cut. The woman was crazy but the cops at the college tour should have handled it better.

Exactly! The woman said during her phone call that she could be wrong and that she wasn't sure. The police should definitely have been more sensitive that expressed doubt, especially when they met the two young men, who by all accounts were shy and courteous.

She said in that transcript that he SAID he was from Mexico. Jesus ... READ

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Anonymous wrote:So it’s racism if people happen to be minorities... even if the “racist” didn’t know they were minorities? I think these kids could pass as white. They look like some of the really “weird” white kids I went to school with. And if I saw two guys show up late to an organized group somewhere wearing all black, death metal (or whatever) clothes, refusing to give names and just skulking around... yeah I might be suspicious or nervous too unless I knew the tour organizer had checked them off as signed up. Would I call the cops? Probably not, but mostly because I am not assertive. But I would be whispering to DH and we might quietly leave.

I don’t think this woman did the right thing necessarily, but I don’t know that it was racism. Why wasn’t it sexist?

The caller thought they were Hispanic, not white. What does it mean to “just skulk around”? Since when is wearing heavy metal T-shirts dangerous? But really, go ahead and leave when faced with such a serious situation as sharing the tour with guys like these. I wouldn’t mind. Wish the caller had chosen that option also.

One deliberately told her he was Mexican

No, he likely didn't. Listen to the transcript. She said on the call that he responded that way. she probably misheard him say "New Mexico," which is where he is from.

He absolutely did. Then laughed

Again, it's just her perception:

"Dispatch: Are they white males?

Caller: I think they're Hispanic, I believe. One of them for sure. He said he's from Mexico. When I asked what they were wanting to study I could tell they were making stuff up because one of them started to laugh about it. One is heavier. One is probably 5-7 and, you know, thinner, I don't know maybe 130-40 pounds.

Dispatcher: Can you give me a clothing description on that person?

Caller: They both are wearing black."

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Anonymous wrote:So it’s racism if people happen to be minorities... even if the “racist” didn’t know they were minorities? I think these kids could pass as white. They look like some of the really “weird” white kids I went to school with. And if I saw two guys show up late to an organized group somewhere wearing all black, death metal (or whatever) clothes, refusing to give names and just skulking around... yeah I might be suspicious or nervous too unless I knew the tour organizer had checked them off as signed up. Would I call the cops? Probably not, but mostly because I am not assertive. But I would be whispering to DH and we might quietly leave.

I don’t think this woman did the right thing necessarily, but I don’t know that it was racism. Why wasn’t it sexist?

The caller thought they were Hispanic, not white. What does it mean to “just skulk around”? Since when is wearing heavy metal T-shirts dangerous? But really, go ahead and leave when faced with such a serious situation as sharing the tour with guys like these. I wouldn’t mind. Wish the caller had chosen that option also.

One deliberately told her he was Mexican

No, he likely didn't. Listen to the transcript. She said on the call that he responded that way. she probably misheard him say "New Mexico," which is where he is from.

He absolutely did. Then laughed

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The caller thought they were Hispanic, not white. What does it mean to “just skulk around”? Since when is wearing heavy metal T-shirts dangerous? But really, go ahead and leave when faced with such a serious situation as sharing the tour with guys like these. I wouldn’t mind. Wish the caller had chosen that option also.

One deliberately told her he was Mexican

They are from New Mexico. Which is not in Mexico, it's in the US. It's the 47th state, admitted to the Union in 1912.

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Anonymous wrote:So it’s racism if people happen to be minorities... even if the “racist” didn’t know they were minorities? I think these kids could pass as white. They look like some of the really “weird” white kids I went to school with. And if I saw two guys show up late to an organized group somewhere wearing all black, death metal (or whatever) clothes, refusing to give names and just skulking around... yeah I might be suspicious or nervous too unless I knew the tour organizer had checked them off as signed up. Would I call the cops? Probably not, but mostly because I am not assertive. But I would be whispering to DH and we might quietly leave.

I don’t think this woman did the right thing necessarily, but I don’t know that it was racism. Why wasn’t it sexist?

The caller thought they were Hispanic, not white. What does it mean to “just skulk around”? Since when is wearing heavy metal T-shirts dangerous? But really, go ahead and leave when faced with such a serious situation as sharing the tour with guys like these. I wouldn’t mind. Wish the caller had chosen that option also.

One deliberately told her he was Mexican

No, he likely didn't. Listen to the transcript. She said on the call that he responded that way. she probably misheard him say "New Mexico," which is where he is from.

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Anonymous wrote:So it’s racism if people happen to be minorities... even if the “racist” didn’t know they were minorities? I think these kids could pass as white. They look like some of the really “weird” white kids I went to school with. And if I saw two guys show up late to an organized group somewhere wearing all black, death metal (or whatever) clothes, refusing to give names and just skulking around... yeah I might be suspicious or nervous too unless I knew the tour organizer had checked them off as signed up. Would I call the cops? Probably not, but mostly because I am not assertive. But I would be whispering to DH and we might quietly leave.

I don’t think this woman did the right thing necessarily, but I don’t know that it was racism. Why wasn’t it sexist?

The caller thought they were Hispanic, not white. What does it mean to “just skulk around”? Since when is wearing heavy metal T-shirts dangerous? But really, go ahead and leave when faced with such a serious situation as sharing the tour with guys like these. I wouldn’t mind. Wish the caller had chosen that option also.

One deliberately told her he was Mexican

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Anonymous wrote:This has NO relationship to Gavin de Becker, whose books are great and teach the opposite of what happened here.

I agree. Reading some De Becker stuff actually put me on a path to learning about how to overcome implicit bias. He explains the kinds of situations actual criminals take advantage of and what to avoid. It lead me to being more analytical about threat assessment, not to just "go with my gut." The direct result of this was that I learned to actually LOOK AT people and situations rather than just my gut.

Actual black criminals take advantage of stupid white women who think "looking racist" is the Worst Thing Ever.

I got no qualms with your theory that stupid white women should "go with their gut" when it comes to their suspicions of black/brown people.
I got no qualms with your argument that actual black criminals take advantage of these stupid white women's apprehension of appearing racist.
You know what I got qualms with - the denial on the other end of the spectrum. The denial of those "gut feelings" when its a suspicious white person.

Question:
Do you have any qualms with stupid white women being more inclined to "go with their gut" when it comes to suspicions of white people too?

I hope not because you do know actual white criminals take advantage of stupid white women's naivete in thinking that white is alright.
Think about it. It never fails. After the fact whenever infamous/nefarious white child molesters and white serial killers and white sex traffickers and white drug smugglers and white mass murderers and white domestic terrorists are finally caught or exposed there's always dozens of stupid white women getting interviewed by reporters about the sicko who lived right next door.
And they're just shaking their heads stupefied in disbelief saying, "I knew there was something odd about him, but I didn't think anything of it."
They sensed something in their gut when it came that white dude too but they weren't afraid of "looking racist" no...they just were in total denial that another white person could be dangerous.

You ask me that's the Worst Thing Ever

Anonymous wrote:Why is this woman's identity being protected? They need to out her, so she can explain what she found so scary about some teenagers looking to get educated.

That's exactly what I thought - the teenagers' identities are released and this paranoid racist's identity is protected. We live in an upside down world.