Anonymous wrote:let's just keep doing what we're doing now - just pass everyone, never suspend anyone, never flunk anyone, just give warnings.

keep shit real. do nothing.

Just keep looking the other way, keeps the PC police out of the way.

I am not from the US. I lived in a very white country before moving to the UK (way before moving to the US). I remember how I was intimidated by groups of black youth on public transit. They seemed very loud and unruly. I was not racist in any way, just wanted to say that yes many black people are PERCEIVED as loud.

I work as a school psychologist and see how different kids are treated differently based on race AND SES. Rich white kid gets caught with drugs, caught selling drugs, engaging in sexual harassment, etc. and many white parents say their child has a disability and behavior is due to disability so child can't be punished because child must be self-medicating, or the school is doing something wrong or not providing something. If you are a poor, black kid you get suspended, expelled and/or the police get called.

It happens for minor offenses as well. Black or a Latino kid has a hoodie on in class teacher says to kid to take it off while nothing is said about the two white kids who have hoodies on in class. Black or Latino kid protests because they know other kids are wearing hoodies in class. Teacher gets upset because of perceived defiance. Teacher raises voice, so kid raises voice to protest. In teacher's mind, those black/Latino kids are defiant and loud.

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Student safety is my #1 concern.

Then you should want white kuds expelled at the same rate.

You should want disruptive kids expelled.
Why don't you?

I want white kids, black kids and kids with disabilites to be treated the same. Why don't you?

Yes. Which is to say, if white kids causes more disruptions, they should be punished more. Same thing with black kids and kids with disabilities.

What you're seeing instead is more backwards claptrap, which is to say, black kids and kids with disabilities are punished more, ipso facto there was racism/discrimination. Weak.

I want white kids who are just as disruptive to have the same discipline as black/disabled kids.

The same. How is that so hard to understand. White kids and black kids with the same offense get the SAME discipline.

Do you also think there's a conspiracy in adult black male violent crime rates too? I taught in title 1 schools for two years out of college, black boys were overwhelmingly the school's biggest behavior issues. Most of the time admins wouldn't even write them up, so I've always had trouble trusting the data these studies rely on.

Shhh. Actual experience with disruptive students isn’t welcome here, only incendiary articles that treat aggressors as victims.

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I would like to go back to the question of if two children one black and one white are both Miss behaving in school why is the black child automatically more disruptive? Could it possibly be implicit bias on the case of teachers and administrators?

You are assuming that this happens because you are relying on statistics that don't provide for other variables.

I taught school and that included many African Americans. I don't believe that what you describe happens. I didn't do it and I don't believe my colleagues did. Sure, it may happen in some cases--but, the reverse is occurring, too.

+1,000,000

Do you really think in 2018 if a teacher was treating white and black kids differently people would just leave them alone. They would be called out on it

I would like to go back to the question of if two children one black and one white are both Miss behaving in school why is the black child automatically more disruptive? Could it possibly be implicit bias on the case of teachers and administrators?

You are assuming that this happens because you are relying on statistics that don't provide for other variables.

I taught school and that included many African Americans. I don't believe that what you describe happens. I didn't do it and I don't believe my colleagues did. Sure, it may happen in some cases--but, the reverse is occurring, too.

Anonymous wrote:Black children were over-punished at regular public schools, charter schools, magnet schools and alternative schools. It does not matter where children attend school (projects or middle class suburbs) or if they are being raised in a one-parent or two-parent household - - - If they are black, they are disciplined at a higher level.
Facts.

Yeah but the DCUM people would just rather blame black people.

I would like to go back to the question of if two children one black and one white are both Miss behaving in school why is the black child automatically more disruptive? Could it possibly be implicit bias on the case of teachers and administrators?

let's just keep doing what we're doing now - just pass everyone, never suspend anyone, never flunk anyone, just give warnings.

keep shit real. do nothing.

Anonymous wrote:I hate these dumb ass threads.

Somebody brings up a disparity affecting minorities that needs to be addressed and immediately people wanna spin shit and shift gears and turn the discussion into an arraignment on the culture and values of people of color.

If the internet and DCUM existed in 1956 and somebody created a thread about Rosa Parks and the Montgomery Bus Boycott, people would probably spin shit and start talking about how the real problem is that Negroes in the South aren't motivated enough to get out of poverty and buy their own cars.

Can't even go one page without the main issue (discrimination) getting totally abandoned and all worthwhile discussion that could possibly educate or advocate gets tossed aside in favor of pointless back-and-forth ping pong games of data and statistics to either prove or disprove how civilized or uncivilized minorities are.

Shit is ridiculous.

Nothing has changed. Nothing.

I hate these dumb ass threads.

Somebody brings up a disparity affecting minorities that needs to be addressed and immediately people wanna spin shit and shift gears and turn the discussion into an arraignment on the culture and values of people of color.

If the internet and DCUM existed in 1956 and somebody created a thread about Rosa Parks and the Montgomery Bus Boycott, people would probably spin shit and start talking about how the real problem is that Negroes in the South aren't motivated enough to get out of poverty and buy their own cars.

Can't even go one page without the main issue (discrimination) getting totally abandoned and all worthwhile discussion that could possibly educate or advocate gets tossed aside in favor of pointless back-and-forth ping pong games of data and statistics to either prove or disprove how civilized or uncivilized minorities are.

Shit is ridiculous.

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Anonymous wrote:To all the people on this thread stating that black children are disciplined more because their behavior is worse than that of white children: What is your evidence for this? Where are the facts, studies, reports and statistics that bear this out? And, how would you explain it, other than the the implication you don’t have the courage to state: That you believe the color of their skin genetically predisposes them to violent and disruptive behavior? In which case, where are the studies that show this? Where, in the extensive genetic research that has been done over the past 70 years, has such a correlation been shown to occur?

huh? I'd say the children the most frequent behavour problems anywhere are the ones with no father figure, uneducated parent(s), yelling or abuse at home, and poverty-stricken (i.e. one or both parent does not hold down a job for long).

This is as likely to be true of white children as it is of black children. Yet there is still a disparity in the disciplining of black children, even for the same behaviors.

No disparity, just higher absolute and relative numbers of black children with "'no father figure, uneducated parent(s), yelling or abuse at home, and poverty-stricken.'" Plus they repeatedly act up in the school, not once or twice, the same individual is habitually misbehaving at school.

Do you have any sources for the “higher absolute and relative numbers”? Interested to understand where this idea is coming from.

Np. They publish data on unmarried births by race. For blacks in 2015, 77% were unwed compared to 30% of white births. And yes, that obviously doesn't mean no father figure. Unmarried dads do stick around. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/77-black-births-to-single-moms-49-for-hispanic-immigrants

Black children were over-punished at regular public schools, charter schools, magnet schools and alternative schools. It does not matter where children attend school (projects or middle class suburbs) or if they are being raised in a one-parent or two-parent household - - - If they are black, they are disciplined at a higher level.
Facts.

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Anonymous wrote:To all the people on this thread stating that black children are disciplined more because their behavior is worse than that of white children: What is your evidence for this? Where are the facts, studies, reports and statistics that bear this out? And, how would you explain it, other than the the implication you don’t have the courage to state: That you believe the color of their skin genetically predisposes them to violent and disruptive behavior? In which case, where are the studies that show this? Where, in the extensive genetic research that has been done over the past 70 years, has such a correlation been shown to occur?

huh? I'd say the children the most frequent behavour problems anywhere are the ones with no father figure, uneducated parent(s), yelling or abuse at home, and poverty-stricken (i.e. one or both parent does not hold down a job for long).

This is as likely to be true of white children as it is of black children. Yet there is still a disparity in the disciplining of black children, even for the same behaviors.

No disparity, just higher absolute and relative numbers of black children with "'no father figure, uneducated parent(s), yelling or abuse at home, and poverty-stricken.'" Plus they repeatedly act up in the school, not once or twice, the same individual is habitually misbehaving at school.

Do you have any sources for the “higher absolute and relative numbers”? Interested to understand where this idea is coming from.

I'd like Lil Miss Symantecs & Data to show me otherwise. You can start your attempt on the SSA and CPS sites.

I infer from this that you don’t have these numbers. I rest my case.

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Anonymous wrote:To all the people on this thread stating that black children are disciplined more because their behavior is worse than that of white children: What is your evidence for this? Where are the facts, studies, reports and statistics that bear this out? And, how would you explain it, other than the the implication you don’t have the courage to state: That you believe the color of their skin genetically predisposes them to violent and disruptive behavior? In which case, where are the studies that show this? Where, in the extensive genetic research that has been done over the past 70 years, has such a correlation been shown to occur?

huh? I'd say the children the most frequent behavour problems anywhere are the ones with no father figure, uneducated parent(s), yelling or abuse at home, and poverty-stricken (i.e. one or both parent does not hold down a job for long).

This is as likely to be true of white children as it is of black children. Yet there is still a disparity in the disciplining of black children, even for the same behaviors.

No disparity, just higher absolute and relative numbers of black children with "'no father figure, uneducated parent(s), yelling or abuse at home, and poverty-stricken.'" Plus they repeatedly act up in the school, not once or twice, the same individual is habitually misbehaving at school.

Do you have any sources for the “higher absolute and relative numbers”? Interested to understand where this idea is coming from.

I'd like Lil Miss Symantecs & Data to show me otherwise. You can start your attempt on the SSA and CPS sites.

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Anonymous wrote:To all the people on this thread stating that black children are disciplined more because their behavior is worse than that of white children: What is your evidence for this? Where are the facts, studies, reports and statistics that bear this out? And, how would you explain it, other than the the implication you don’t have the courage to state: That you believe the color of their skin genetically predisposes them to violent and disruptive behavior? In which case, where are the studies that show this? Where, in the extensive genetic research that has been done over the past 70 years, has such a correlation been shown to occur?

huh? I'd say the children the most frequent behavour problems anywhere are the ones with no father figure, uneducated parent(s), yelling or abuse at home, and poverty-stricken (i.e. one or both parent does not hold down a job for long).

This is as likely to be true of white children as it is of black children. Yet there is still a disparity in the disciplining of black children, even for the same behaviors.

No disparity, just higher absolute and relative numbers of black children with "'no father figure, uneducated parent(s), yelling or abuse at home, and poverty-stricken.'" Plus they repeatedly act up in the school, not once or twice, the same individual is habitually misbehaving at school.

Do you have any sources for the “higher absolute and relative numbers”? Interested to understand where this idea is coming from.