Anonymous
Post 07/03/2022 13:05     Subject: Must a child stand for pledge in Virginia
Why is it the "free country" who insist kids take part in anachronistic displays like this???

I'm also done with this BS - a free country doesn't need enforced pledges of allegiance....
Anonymous
Post 07/03/2022 13:04     Subject: Must a child stand for pledge in Virginia
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Wouldn’t it be nice if there was just that minute of silence thing only? Maybe with a few encouraging words from the teacher about visualizing the good day of learning and friendship they were going to have? How would they contribute to making this day go well for everyone.


No.

That moment of silence is the atheists prayer and religious expression.


The atheist’s prayer? What the hell are you talking about? The point of the moment of silence is you can use it to pray or meditate - it can be religious or not religious.


Seldom are the students completely silent. There always seems to be someone chatting, or humming, or other type of noise while they fiddle with something.

ES Teacher

Well, what do you suggest, ES teacher??


I’m not suggesting anything. The PP said the point is to use it to pray or meditate. I’m just saying they don’t use it for that and it’s not a moment of “silence”. It is what it is.
Anonymous
Post 07/03/2022 13:03     Subject: Must a child stand for pledge in Virginia
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why wouldn't they stand? I stand for other country's pledges and national anthems.


It doesn't matter why. It is a first amendment issue and standing/not standing is symbolic speech.


It is a shame that good manners are no longer taught


The pledge has nothing to do with manners. I’m a teacher and don’t recite or stand. Nor do most of my students, many of whom are immigrants or the 1st generation children of immigrants who have no reason or obligation to pledge to this flag. It’s a freaking weird tradition that has no bearing on what we do in school.



This. Given what is going on in the country it feels more like being a part of the fascist Christian minority who are ruining this country with their ignorance and hate.
Anonymous
Post 07/03/2022 13:02     Subject: Must a child stand for pledge in Virginia
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Wouldn’t it be nice if there was just that minute of silence thing only? Maybe with a few encouraging words from the teacher about visualizing the good day of learning and friendship they were going to have? How would they contribute to making this day go well for everyone.


No.

That moment of silence is the atheists prayer and religious expression.


WTF?
Anonymous
Post 07/03/2022 13:00     Subject: Must a child stand for pledge in Virginia
Anonymous wrote:This year I may start staying seated for the Pledge. In the past I’ve been able to overlook the “under God” part, but I don’t know that I am willing to pledge allegiance to a flag that stands for a nation that is no longer “indivisible, with liberty and justice for all”.

ES Teacher


+100

There is no justice for all in this country and the people who call themselves Christians are anything but. I'm done with this bull.
Anonymous
Post 07/03/2022 12:58     Subject: Re:Must a child stand for pledge in Virginia
Anonymous wrote:Your poor little snowflake op. We certainly wouldn’t want trouble him/ her in any way. Imagine being asked to stand in respect for ones country for a whole 30 seconds every day.


Go away fascist troll.

I'll never stand for it until we correct some of these issues with the less-than Supreme Court.
Anonymous
Post 07/03/2022 12:58     Subject: Must a child stand for pledge in Virginia
Anonymous wrote:My HS DD wants to take a knee next year, following the Dobbs decision. That is 100% her right, and if her HS pushes back I will support her doing so, as long as she is quiet, respectful, etc. if I am ever in public with her and she takes a knee (like at a football gram), I’ll join her.

1A is still a thing, for now.


I guarantee she won’t get the attention she’s hoping for nobody will even notice.
Anonymous
Post 07/03/2022 12:56     Subject: Must a child stand for pledge in Virginia
Anonymous wrote:Okay so you can't "force" a student to stand, but can you tell them "Larlo, please stand up during the pledge" and if they don't then say "Please be respectful during the pledge" but all without literally forcing them to stand? Anything wrong with that?

And BTW I find that when students don't stand for the pledge in elementary school it is generally because they are distracted or silly or whatever, not making any kind of actual statement.


You're obnoxious. You leave the kid alone. If you call them out for it, you are punishing them. I would be in the office in a second if I was that kid's parent. BTW I am that kid's parent. Once in elementary a substitute did this and she never got back in to sub.
Anonymous
Post 07/03/2022 12:54     Subject: Must a child stand for pledge in Virginia
My HS DD wants to take a knee next year, following the Dobbs decision. That is 100% her right, and if her HS pushes back I will support her doing so, as long as she is quiet, respectful, etc. if I am ever in public with her and she takes a knee (like at a football gram), I’ll join her.

1A is still a thing, for now.
Anonymous
Post 07/03/2022 12:40     Subject: Must a child stand for pledge in Virginia
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Wouldn’t it be nice if there was just that minute of silence thing only? Maybe with a few encouraging words from the teacher about visualizing the good day of learning and friendship they were going to have? How would they contribute to making this day go well for everyone.


No.

That moment of silence is the atheists prayer and religious expression.


The atheist’s prayer? What the hell are you talking about? The point of the moment of silence is you can use it to pray or meditate - it can be religious or not religious.


Seldom are the students completely silent. There always seems to be someone chatting, or humming, or other type of noise while they fiddle with something.

ES Teacher

Well, what do you suggest, ES teacher??
Anonymous
Post 07/03/2022 12:39     Subject: Must a child stand for pledge in Virginia
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Wouldn’t it be nice if there was just that minute of silence thing only? Maybe with a few encouraging words from the teacher about visualizing the good day of learning and friendship they were going to have? How would they contribute to making this day go well for everyone.


No.

That moment of silence is the atheists prayer and religious expression.

No, it isn't. WTF are you saying??? You make no sense. It's just putting out good vibes silently. How is that religious. You are unhinged.
Anonymous
Post 07/03/2022 12:36     Subject: Must a child stand for pledge in Virginia
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why wouldn't they stand? I stand for other country's pledges and national anthems.


It doesn't matter why. It is a first amendment issue and standing/not standing is symbolic speech.


It is a shame that good manners are no longer taught


The pledge has nothing to do with manners. I’m a teacher and don’t recite or stand. Nor do most of my students, many of whom are immigrants or the 1st generation children of immigrants who have no reason or obligation to pledge to this flag. It’s a freaking weird tradition that has no bearing on what we do in school.


As a child of am immigrant and naturalized citizen, it is abhorrent that you as a teacher take this attitude towards immigrant children and recent citizens.

1st generation immigrants shoukd know more than anyone how precious our freedoms and liberties are. Their parents are some of the most patriotic people around.

Shameful anti American snd anti immigrant attitude that you profess.
Anonymous
Post 07/03/2022 12:34     Subject: Must a child stand for pledge in Virginia
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why wouldn't they stand? I stand for other country's pledges and national anthems.


It doesn't matter why. It is a first amendment issue and standing/not standing is symbolic speech.


It is a shame that good manners are no longer taught


Ok I’ll let my child to stand pledge allegiance to Allah, since you insist on a God. Or does it have to be YOUR god?


If your child believes in Allah, then of course that would who they would be acknowledging.
Anonymous
Post 07/03/2022 12:08     Subject: Must a child stand for pledge in Virginia
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why wouldn't they stand? I stand for other country's pledges and national anthems.


It doesn't matter why. It is a first amendment issue and standing/not standing is symbolic speech.


It is a shame that good manners are no longer taught


The pledge has nothing to do with manners. I’m a teacher and don’t recite or stand. Nor do most of my students, many of whom are immigrants or the 1st generation children of immigrants who have no reason or obligation to pledge to this flag. It’s a freaking weird tradition that has no bearing on what we do in school.
Anonymous
Post 07/03/2022 11:52     Subject: Must a child stand for pledge in Virginia
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why wouldn't they stand? I stand for other country's pledges and national anthems.


It doesn't matter why. It is a first amendment issue and standing/not standing is symbolic speech.


It is a shame that good manners are no longer taught


Ok I’ll let my child to stand pledge allegiance to Allah, since you insist on a God. Or does it have to be YOUR god?