Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:NP here... I have a feeling that the OP is simply sick of the clergy using the pulpit as a political podium. We have the same issue at our Episcopalian church. It has become too political. I don't necessarily always disagree with the viewpoints being presented. However, I don't feel this is the proper place for the clergy to voice their opinions. They share their political beliefs on social media, in demonstrations, and in other places too.
OP here. Yes, this is exactly what I am trying to articulate!
Here's the deal. If you can't handle the social justice bent of the Episcopalian church, then maybe you need a new denomination.
You are calling things political and the clergy you disagree with would likely say this is not politics, this is about our sense of ethics, personal responsibility and living out the vows we made to God. If that makes you uncomfortable, then you do not share the same doctrinal background as your church. The clergy are trying to shepherd their flock toward what they believe is right morally, spiritually and doctrinally. If you are bristling at that, then you are in the wrong church.
Sitting in the church pew is not meant to be a comfortable solace from the real world where you get to listen to hymns and pretend its 1950 and all is well in the world for white people. It is ugly and hard out there and filled with injustices and your clergy are rightly railing against it. If you want sunshine and roses all the time and a high mass, become Catholic and go to a Latin service where you won't even know what's being said. Otherwise go to a nondenominational evangelical service and get used to the praise dancing and hand waving.
Anonymous wrote:OP if you can’t see a direct connection between social justice and Christian ideals I’d suggest a Southern Baptist congregation.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP here -- is National Cathedral considered Liberal or mainstream Episcopal here in the DC area?
I don't think you understand - mainstream is liberal.
Just what I was going to say. The mainstream Episcopal church is supportive of gay marriage, LGBTQ rights, gun control and is pro-choice. If you are OK with that, then it seems all you need now is a church that doesn't focus on these issues in sermons and relates bible stories to other things.
gay marriage, LGBTQ rights, pro-choice.
I would do Unitarian this isn't even remotely related to being christian. Maybe helping the poor.
In general I don't care either way but don't shit in my mouth and call it a sundae. Just state that it's another religon.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP here -- is National Cathedral considered Liberal or mainstream Episcopal here in the DC area?
I don't think you understand - mainstream is liberal.
Just what I was going to say. The mainstream Episcopal church is supportive of gay marriage, LGBTQ rights, gun control and is pro-choice. If you are OK with that, then it seems all you need now is a church that doesn't focus on these issues in sermons and relates bible stories to other things.
Anonymous wrote:OP, I am confused about which Falls Church you attended. The Falls Church Anglican is the breakaway church affiliated with the Anglican church that is currently located in a building on Arlington Boulevard. Falls Church Episcopal is located in the historic church in the City of Falls Church (the Episcopal church won the lawsuit, and got this propety back a few years ago).
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:NP here... I have a feeling that the OP is simply sick of the clergy using the pulpit as a political podium. We have the same issue at our Episcopalian church. It has become too political. I don't necessarily always disagree with the viewpoints being presented. However, I don't feel this is the proper place for the clergy to voice their opinions. They share their political beliefs on social media, in demonstrations, and in other places too.
OP here. Yes, this is exactly what I am trying to articulate!
Here's the deal. If you can't handle the social justice bent of the Episcopalian church, then maybe you need a new denomination.
You are calling things political and the clergy you disagree with would likely say this is not politics, this is about our sense of ethics, personal responsibility and living out the vows we made to God. If that makes you uncomfortable, then you do not share the same doctrinal background as your church. The clergy are trying to shepherd their flock toward what they believe is right morally, spiritually and doctrinally. If you are bristling at that, then you are in the wrong church.
Sitting in the church pew is not meant to be a comfortable solace from the real world where you get to listen to hymns and pretend its 1950 and all is well in the world for white people. It is ugly and hard out there and filled with injustices and your clergy are rightly railing against it. If you want sunshine and roses all the time and a high mass, become Catholic and go to a Latin service where you won't even know what's being said. Otherwise go to a nondenominational evangelical service and get used to the praise dancing and hand waving.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I mean...the local 'conservative' Episcopal parishes split off and joined the Anglican Diocese of Nigeria, where being gay is a crime. So if you mean politically conservative, you are probably looking for an Anglican church. I think that must be what you mean, since I don't know of many Episcopal churches where the sermons stray too far from the New Testament...you know, love thy neighbor, etc.
When I attended National Cathedral services, twice, the homilies were full of social justice rhetoric. I am not against gay marriage. I want an inspired homily that does not delve into politics. I guess I want a spiritual escape from the woes of the world. I am active in many out of church service activities.
I attended an Anglican church this morning (Falls Church Anglican). I am trying to find the right church community.