Anonymous
03/17/2018 00:52
Subject: Why do uneducated people homeschool?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:They should have a bachelors degree at minimum. I agree with you OP.
Why?
Because teaching is a profession. A trade. Something that requires training and experience.
Why don't you try to pull your own teeth, in the privacy of your own home? There's no law that says that you can't!
Public and private schools refilled with teachers with advanced degrees yet the students still underperform when compared to students in other countries. Not the case with homeschooled students
When did they refill with teachers with advanced degrees?
Anonymous
03/17/2018 00:49
Subject: Why do uneducated people homeschool?
Anonymous wrote:I received an excellent 1-12 education. I learned nothing in college. Not sure why OP thinks 4 year degree is needed to teach 1-12.
Because OP nd her supporters then need to consider their own life choices. Is 12 years of college needed? Do I really need to spend $1000 on tutors? Mostly
There is also envy. Seeing other parents doing something they cannot do or choose not to do makes them feel inadequate.
Anonymous
03/17/2018 00:48
Subject: Why do uneducated people homeschool?
"Let me start by quoting from the International Center for Home Education Research (ICHER), a nonpartisan group of scholars who share a common interest in studying homeschooling.
How does U.S. homeschoolers’ academic performance compare with other students?
Evidence regarding this question has been fraught with controversy because most of the studies that have received widest attention have been interpreted to say something they do not and cannot. We simply can’t draw any conclusions about the academic performance of the “average homeschooler,” because none of the studies so often cited employ random samples representing the full range of homeschoolers.
For example, two large U.S. studies (Rudner, 1999; Ray, 2009) are frequently cited as definitive evidence that homeschoolers academically outperform public and private school students. But in both cases, the homeschool participants were volunteers responding to an invitation by the nation’s most prominent advocacy organization to contribute test scores (on tests usually administered by parents in the child’s own home). The demographics of these samples were far whiter, more religious, more married, better educated, and wealthier than national averages. And yet these test score results were compared to average public school scores that included children from all income levels and family backgrounds. Not surprisingly, wealthy homeschoolers from stable two-parent families who take tests administered by their parents in the comfort of their own homes outscore the average public school child by large margins.
The simple fact is that no studies of academic achievement exist that draw from a representative, nationwide sample of homeschoolers and control for background variables like socio-economic or marital status. It is thus impossible to say whether or not homeschooling as such has any impact on the sort of academic achievement measured by standardized tests.
Read these three paragraphs carefully and reread them if you need to. They’re very concise and to the point and also very important. And before anyone starts suggesting that ICHER is biased against homeschooling, allow me to point out that one of the ICHER’s two founders (Milton Gaither) is himself a homeschool father.
The basic gist of the above paragraphs is that studies of homeschoolers’ academic performance have two problems: First, they are voluntary (and usually recruited by HSLDA, explicitly touting them as opportunities to showcase homeschoolers’ academic success), meaning they do not employ random samples and therefore are not representative. Second, homeschool advocates compare the results of these studies to the public school average without correcting for things like race, income, and family background, which means that the statistics as reported and commonly touted don’t actually say anything other than that students from white, two-parent, middle class families do better academically than the average student, which shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone."
How does U.S. homeschoolers’ academic performance compare with other students?
Evidence regarding this question has been fraught with controversy because most of the studies that have received widest attention have been interpreted to say something they do not and cannot. We simply can’t draw any conclusions about the academic performance of the “average homeschooler,” because none of the studies so often cited employ random samples representing the full range of homeschoolers.
For example, two large U.S. studies (Rudner, 1999; Ray, 2009) are frequently cited as definitive evidence that homeschoolers academically outperform public and private school students. But in both cases, the homeschool participants were volunteers responding to an invitation by the nation’s most prominent advocacy organization to contribute test scores (on tests usually administered by parents in the child’s own home). The demographics of these samples were far whiter, more religious, more married, better educated, and wealthier than national averages. And yet these test score results were compared to average public school scores that included children from all income levels and family backgrounds. Not surprisingly, wealthy homeschoolers from stable two-parent families who take tests administered by their parents in the comfort of their own homes outscore the average public school child by large margins.
The simple fact is that no studies of academic achievement exist that draw from a representative, nationwide sample of homeschoolers and control for background variables like socio-economic or marital status. It is thus impossible to say whether or not homeschooling as such has any impact on the sort of academic achievement measured by standardized tests.
Read these three paragraphs carefully and reread them if you need to. They’re very concise and to the point and also very important. And before anyone starts suggesting that ICHER is biased against homeschooling, allow me to point out that one of the ICHER’s two founders (Milton Gaither) is himself a homeschool father.
The basic gist of the above paragraphs is that studies of homeschoolers’ academic performance have two problems: First, they are voluntary (and usually recruited by HSLDA, explicitly touting them as opportunities to showcase homeschoolers’ academic success), meaning they do not employ random samples and therefore are not representative. Second, homeschool advocates compare the results of these studies to the public school average without correcting for things like race, income, and family background, which means that the statistics as reported and commonly touted don’t actually say anything other than that students from white, two-parent, middle class families do better academically than the average student, which shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone."
Anonymous
03/17/2018 00:47
Subject: Re:Why do uneducated people homeschool?
http://i.bnet.com/blogs/homeschool.pdf
Homeschoolers compare very well to public schools when it comes to test scores, college retention rates, college GPA, the list goes on. It’s no surprise that it’s becoming a more and more popular educational option
Homeschoolers compare very well to public schools when it comes to test scores, college retention rates, college GPA, the list goes on. It’s no surprise that it’s becoming a more and more popular educational option
Anonymous
03/17/2018 00:45
Subject: Why do uneducated people homeschool?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:They should have a bachelors degree at minimum. I agree with you OP.
Why?
Because teaching is a profession. A trade. Something that requires training and experience.
Why don't you try to pull your own teeth, in the privacy of your own home? There's no law that says that you can't!
If a person is capable of teaching a child the information they need to know without a degree why does it matter?
Anonymous
03/17/2018 00:43
Subject: Why do uneducated people homeschool?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:They should have a bachelors degree at minimum. I agree with you OP.
Why?
Because teaching is a profession. A trade. Something that requires training and experience.
Why don't you try to pull your own teeth, in the privacy of your own home? There's no law that says that you can't!
Do you have a college degree?
Anonymous
03/17/2018 00:42
Subject: Why do uneducated people homeschool?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:They should have a bachelors degree at minimum. I agree with you OP.
Why?
Because teaching is a profession. A trade. Something that requires training and experience.
Why don't you try to pull your own teeth, in the privacy of your own home? There's no law that says that you can't!
Public and private schools refilled with teachers with advanced degrees yet the students still underperform when compared to students in other countries. Not the case with homeschooled students
Anonymous
03/17/2018 00:39
Subject: Why do uneducated people homeschool?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why aren't home-educated children held to the same minimum standards as public school students? I'm European and it's illegal in almost all European countries. This is absurd.
They generally perform higher than public schools.
In many states they have to turn in logs showing what they worked on, hours spent, etc.
I'd like to see the statistics proving that.
Look, I know there are people who have the skills and credentials to homeschool. I've read "The Well-Trained Mind", and I wish I had the time and patience to teach my child everything that homeschooling curriculum has to offer, but I know that I don't and I can't, that's why I'm not even willing to try. But the majority of those dimwits claiming to homeschool their kids have no idea what they are supposed to be doing and why. How on Earth do you know how to teach, say, reading and/or spelling if you are not a trained teacher? It's a system, for crying out loud!
And don't even get me started on algebra/geography/biology or any other specific subject.
Anonymous
03/17/2018 00:35
Subject: Why do uneducated people homeschool?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:They should have a bachelors degree at minimum. I agree with you OP.
Why?
Because teaching is a profession. A trade. Something that requires training and experience.
Why don't you try to pull your own teeth, in the privacy of your own home? There's no law that says that you can't!
+1
Only in the US is something like this legal.
Anonymous
03/17/2018 00:33
Subject: Why do uneducated people homeschool?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:They should have a bachelors degree at minimum. I agree with you OP.
Why?
Because teaching is a profession. A trade. Something that requires training and experience.
Why don't you try to pull your own teeth, in the privacy of your own home? There's no law that says that you can't!
Anonymous
03/17/2018 00:31
Subject: Why do uneducated people homeschool?
Anonymous wrote:Why aren't home-educated children held to the same minimum standards as public school students? I'm European and it's illegal in almost all European countries. This is absurd.
They generally perform higher than public schools.
In many states they have to turn in logs showing what they worked on, hours spent, etc.
Anonymous
03/17/2018 00:29
Subject: Why do uneducated people homeschool?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I have met a handful of moms in Florida who homeschool. I know for a fact they did not attend college. Their grammar is awful. I know I am not perfect myself but that's why I plan on sending my children to public or private school. Why do they homeschool? It seems so backwards. In my home country home schooling is not legal. We would see it as backwards.
I totally get that. I mean, in your country they eat dogs, and in this country we see it as backwards.
But, we also see your country as backwards because you're ignorant about the actual statistics of how homeschooler's fare academically and socially, while excelling in a particular extra-curricular activity.
I think it's the right thing you're doing sending your kid to private school in FL (not public). We don't need more uneducated South American youth. Thanks for that!
I'm a PP, but not this PP.
This is hilarious! Thank you for showing those foreigners just how ignorant they are. You should totally homeschool!
Ha! This is hilarious!
Anonymous
03/17/2018 00:28
Subject: Why do uneducated people homeschool?
Anonymous wrote:They should have a bachelors degree at minimum. I agree with you OP.
Why?
Anonymous
03/17/2018 00:28
Subject: Why do uneducated people homeschool?
I received an excellent 1-12 education. I learned nothing in college. Not sure why OP thinks 4 year degree is needed to teach 1-12.
Anonymous
03/17/2018 00:27
Subject: Why do uneducated people homeschool?
Anonymous wrote:Why aren't home-educated children held to the same minimum standards as public school students? I'm European and it's illegal in almost all European countries. This is absurd.
So choose one of the many European countries to live in instead of expecting American laws to conform to your feelings.