Anonymous
03/07/2018 16:06
Subject: Re:Thoreau AAP
Correct. A large percentage of the Louise Archer 6th graders are headed to Jackson.
Anonymous
03/07/2018 15:08
Subject: Re:Thoreau AAP
Anonymous wrote:Louise Archer also mostly Thoreau.
My friend said many of the 6th graders from LA are picking LJ.
Anonymous
03/07/2018 14:55
Subject: Re:Thoreau AAP
Louise Archer also mostly Thoreau.
Anonymous
03/07/2018 14:20
Subject: Thoreau AAP
Anonymous wrote:So, according to PP, there are now 26 kids instead of 12 from OES going to TMS. OK. So, even if that is true, it is only 14 kids more than they have at TMS now.
That is hardly a blowout. I think your sample group (OES) is skewing your perception.
If that's all it is, then great. I'd certainly not want the excellent AAP program at LJ suffer. They have a great set of teachers and wonderful programs.
I'm the pp who provided OES info. Our second DC is going to TMS next year (AAP). First went to LJ for AAP. We loved LJ. Great teachers and programs! DC1 had a good set of friends going there. Combined with the excellent academics at LJ helped us decide on LJ. DC 1 now happy at Madison.
DC2 would have gone the same route but for the fact that TMS now has a decent AAP program (likely not the same rigor as LJ but works for DC2) AND not a single person from his class chose to go to LJ. Did not want DC2 to go to LJ and be a complete stranger going to Madison. Hence chose TMS.
You can't go wrong with either school. Hopefully both thrive in the long run. I know that I and most most of you posting wouldn't care after two years..
Anonymous
03/07/2018 13:33
Subject: Thoreau AAP
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Even if every Madison and Oakton pyramid kid left (which is not going to happen), it would still be a center with 100 kids per grade. Twain is a center that has 100 kids per grade.
But, you are getting WAY WAY WAY ahead of yourself with pessimism. Jackson's AAP is not going to go from 225 kids per grade to 100 kids per grade. There are still plenty of Mosby Woods kids and Madison-pyramid kids who choose to go there for what they believe is the best school for them.
If I had to guess, I would expect to see TMS at maybe 120 this coming fall. Jackson at 200.
I bet you're wrong for the 7th grade. I'll check back in the fall on this.
It will be more than 120. OES has 26 AAP kids in 6th grade. All of them are going to LJ. It would have been about 12 (mostly all the girls and a few boys that are already zoned to TMS) had the re-zoning not happened. Not sure what the numbers are for MWES and the other school..
Doesn't the school have this information at this point? Is this not public information?
Anonymous
03/07/2018 13:32
Subject: Thoreau AAP
So, according to PP, there are now 26 kids instead of 12 from OES going to TMS. OK. So, even if that is true, it is only 14 kids more than they have at TMS now.
That is hardly a blowout. I think your sample group (OES) is skewing your perception.
That is hardly a blowout. I think your sample group (OES) is skewing your perception.
Anonymous
03/07/2018 13:29
Subject: Thoreau AAP
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Even if every Madison and Oakton pyramid kid left (which is not going to happen), it would still be a center with 100 kids per grade. Twain is a center that has 100 kids per grade.
But, you are getting WAY WAY WAY ahead of yourself with pessimism. Jackson's AAP is not going to go from 225 kids per grade to 100 kids per grade. There are still plenty of Mosby Woods kids and Madison-pyramid kids who choose to go there for what they believe is the best school for them.
If I had to guess, I would expect to see TMS at maybe 120 this coming fall. Jackson at 200.
I bet you're wrong for the 7th grade. I'll check back in the fall on this.
It will be more than 120. OES has 26 AAP kids in 6th grade. All of them are going to LJ. It would have been about 12 (mostly all the girls and a few boys that are already zoned to TMS) had the re-zoning not happened. Not sure what the numbers are for MWES and the other school..
?? Does not compute.
Mosby has about 52 kids who have the option now. I am hearing most are going to LJ. The difference is that MWES always was zoned for LJ --- the whole school. They didn't see it as a negative. They weren't comparing TMS to LJ. They all just went to LJ. So, they don't have the same impression of it as the people from OES who were split and naturally, compared the two middle schools. MWES AAP families have a history with LJ (older siblings). They are largely sticking with what they know. There is only a small section of Marshall Road that was rezoned. Don't know how many AAP kids come from that area, but I would estimate 5.
Anonymous
03/07/2018 12:58
Subject: Thoreau AAP
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Even if every Madison and Oakton pyramid kid left (which is not going to happen), it would still be a center with 100 kids per grade. Twain is a center that has 100 kids per grade.
But, you are getting WAY WAY WAY ahead of yourself with pessimism. Jackson's AAP is not going to go from 225 kids per grade to 100 kids per grade. There are still plenty of Mosby Woods kids and Madison-pyramid kids who choose to go there for what they believe is the best school for them.
If I had to guess, I would expect to see TMS at maybe 120 this coming fall. Jackson at 200.
I bet you're wrong for the 7th grade. I'll check back in the fall on this.
It will be more than 120. OES has 26 AAP kids in 6th grade. All of them are going to LJ. It would have been about 12 (mostly all the girls and a few boys that are already zoned to TMS) had the re-zoning not happened. Not sure what the numbers are for MWES and the other school..
Anonymous
03/07/2018 12:46
Subject: Thoreau AAP
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Even if every Madison and Oakton pyramid kid left (which is not going to happen), it would still be a center with 100 kids per grade. Twain is a center that has 100 kids per grade.
But, you are getting WAY WAY WAY ahead of yourself with pessimism. Jackson's AAP is not going to go from 225 kids per grade to 100 kids per grade. There are still plenty of Mosby Woods kids and Madison-pyramid kids who choose to go there for what they believe is the best school for them.
If I had to guess, I would expect to see TMS at maybe 120 this coming fall. Jackson at 200.
I bet you're wrong for the 7th grade. I'll check back in the fall on this.
It's a guess. No one has any idea... except the registrars and directors of student services at each school. For me, it's a win-win. I'm happy with where my kid is going regardless of how the numbers shake out. 100% happy. I get the impression that you are not.
Anonymous
03/07/2018 12:44
Subject: Thoreau AAP
Anonymous wrote:Even if every Madison and Oakton pyramid kid left (which is not going to happen), it would still be a center with 100 kids per grade. Twain is a center that has 100 kids per grade.
But, you are getting WAY WAY WAY ahead of yourself with pessimism. Jackson's AAP is not going to go from 225 kids per grade to 100 kids per grade. There are still plenty of Mosby Woods kids and Madison-pyramid kids who choose to go there for what they believe is the best school for them.
If I had to guess, I would expect to see TMS at maybe 120 this coming fall. Jackson at 200.
I bet you're wrong for the 7th grade. I'll check back in the fall on this.
Anonymous
03/07/2018 12:37
Subject: Thoreau AAP
Even if every Madison and Oakton pyramid kid left (which is not going to happen), it would still be a center with 100 kids per grade. Twain is a center that has 100 kids per grade.
But, you are getting WAY WAY WAY ahead of yourself with pessimism. Jackson's AAP is not going to go from 225 kids per grade to 100 kids per grade. There are still plenty of Mosby Woods kids and Madison-pyramid kids who choose to go there for what they believe is the best school for them.
If I had to guess, I would expect to see TMS at maybe 120 this coming fall. Jackson at 200.
But, you are getting WAY WAY WAY ahead of yourself with pessimism. Jackson's AAP is not going to go from 225 kids per grade to 100 kids per grade. There are still plenty of Mosby Woods kids and Madison-pyramid kids who choose to go there for what they believe is the best school for them.
If I had to guess, I would expect to see TMS at maybe 120 this coming fall. Jackson at 200.
Anonymous
03/07/2018 12:32
Subject: Thoreau AAP
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There are enough kids for both AAP programs to co-exist.
Nope, and you know which one is going to take a nosedive.
If LJ is such a great program (and I believe it is certainly a solid AAP), then why would it take a "nosedive?" Are you assuming that there aren't any AAP kids in the rezoned LJ boundary? Surely many of the 450 AAP kids at LJ come from the FCHS pyramid.
...ok... so I looked it up since I know you won't. Some people just prefer to run around expecting the sky to fall instead of noticing the sun.
There are about 44 kids per grade who transfer OUT of the remaining LJ zoned elementary schools for AAP (at Mantua). (source: FCPS transfer report).
Camelot, Fairhill and Westlawn (still LJ feeders) have their own LL4 programs. They have about 20, 13, and 20 AAP identified students PER GRADE (respectively) (source: FCPS membership numbers from school profiles).
We can assume that SOME Madison pyramid kids and SOME Oakton pyramid will choose the AAP center (Jackson) over the LL4 program at TMS. Right now there are about 50 Madison pyramid kids per grade at LJ. Let's assume it drops to 25 kids per grade.
I did a rough estimate of AAP kids who were in the rezoning -- now have the option for TMS (1/2 of OES AAP, all of MWES-based AAP kids, and a smaller part of MRES). These are the kids who have previously been in Jackson's zone. My rough estimate (you can find it on the other long LJ/TMS thread) was about 52 kids per grade. Let's assume that half of them in the future go to TMS and half choose Jackson. 25 kids per grade.
So, let's add it all up -- the AAP kids who are IN Jackson's actual zone + the kids who have the option to use the AAP center at Jackson.
44 + 20 +13 +20 + 25 +25 = 147.
Even when I take your assumption that many kids from Madison/Oakton pyramids will opt out of the AAP center at Jackson as true (which you don't know and I don't know yet), you still have more than enough kids to sustain a quality AAP center at Jackson.
Time to stop the fear-mongering and just send your kid to school.
If you take out those 50 kids from Madison and Oakton though it's under 100 students. Thoreau already has around 100 students per grade in AAP and likely is getting 50 to 100 more. For a total of 150 to 200 students. If that is the case, why would anyone keep their child there eventually if there are no other kids going on to Madison or Oakton?
Anonymous
03/07/2018 12:08
Subject: Thoreau AAP
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There are enough kids for both AAP programs to co-exist.
Nope, and you know which one is going to take a nosedive.
If LJ is such a great program (and I believe it is certainly a solid AAP), then why would it take a "nosedive?" Are you assuming that there aren't any AAP kids in the rezoned LJ boundary? Surely many of the 450 AAP kids at LJ come from the FCHS pyramid.
...ok... so I looked it up since I know you won't. Some people just prefer to run around expecting the sky to fall instead of noticing the sun.
There are about 44 kids per grade who transfer OUT of the remaining LJ zoned elementary schools for AAP (at Mantua). (source: FCPS transfer report).
Camelot, Fairhill and Westlawn (still LJ feeders) have their own LL4 programs. They have about 20, 13, and 20 AAP identified students PER GRADE (respectively) (source: FCPS membership numbers from school profiles).
We can assume that SOME Madison pyramid kids and SOME Oakton pyramid will choose the AAP center (Jackson) over the LL4 program at TMS. Right now there are about 50 Madison pyramid kids per grade at LJ. Let's assume it drops to 25 kids per grade.
I did a rough estimate of AAP kids who were in the rezoning -- now have the option for TMS (1/2 of OES AAP, all of MWES-based AAP kids, and a smaller part of MRES). These are the kids who have previously been in Jackson's zone. My rough estimate (you can find it on the other long LJ/TMS thread) was about 52 kids per grade. Let's assume that half of them in the future go to TMS and half choose Jackson. 25 kids per grade.
So, let's add it all up -- the AAP kids who are IN Jackson's actual zone + the kids who have the option to use the AAP center at Jackson.
44 + 20 +13 +20 + 25 +25 = 147.
Even when I take your assumption that many kids from Madison/Oakton pyramids will opt out of the AAP center at Jackson as true (which you don't know and I don't know yet), you still have more than enough kids to sustain a quality AAP center at Jackson.
Time to stop the fear-mongering and just send your kid to school.
Anonymous
03/07/2018 11:29
Subject: Re:Thoreau AAP
These smaller AAP programs also make it harder for staffing. If AAP classes need their own separate core classrooms, then you are dividing up your scarce teacher allotments among two groups verses just one leaving some classes very large and others small.
Anonymous
03/07/2018 11:28
Subject: Re:Thoreau AAP
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My guess is that Thoreau will be overcrowded next year and LJ will not. Time will tell.
They are hundreds under capacity. The will absolutely NOT be overcrowded next year by adding some students but still being under capacity
You are right. In two years time when both 7th and 8th grade are affected.