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Anonymous wrote:We should all be thankful we don’t know op in real life. Here we can just ignore her crazy. It shouldn’t surprise anyone who has read her posts that op doesn’t understand or care what supportive means.

Just stop. Why are you still on this thread? Start another thread and prove that this topic is not important or worth discussing. Get a support for your thesis. Get your likes and approvals on your thread. Character attack is very passé, we've seen it done over and over and it's just like a broken record. It doesn't work.

NP. I think the larger issue that most people have is the forum in which you have chosen to discuss this. We're generally a very supportive, kind group here. I think it's just inaccurate to assume that parents who choose to become parents through using another person's egg/embryo/sperm haven't considered, in depth, the effect of this decision. When it comes to ART, practically nothing is spontaneous. Everything MUST be heavily considered as a matter not only of principle, but sometimes as a requirement. As someone pointed out earlier in the thread, many fertility clinics require you to undergo counseling with a social worker before proceeding with ART using a donor of any kind. For some, using some kind of donor is the ONLY way they will become parents (because adoption does not always work out).

Have you seen "One Last Shot" on Netflix? Consider the stories of those couples. Consider their pain and heartache and all of the LOVE they have to give to those children.

I understand your issue, OP, which is that it's unfair to the offspring of donor children to be "in the dark" about their genetic background. But this isn't a black and white issue - nothing is when it comes to infertility. It's a very personal, harrowing journey for many, and while I do see your perspective (I mean I really do - we chose a known donor for many of the reasons you bring up), I also think while trying to remain objective and present just the facts, you're coming across as insensitive and tone deaf, which is why people are asking that you please stop or, at the very least, take this up in "off topic" or "parenting - special concerns."

Not the poster you were responding to, but can I say that I'm not sure if it's true that all couple who are considering using a donor have thoroughly thought through all these issues. Years ago, I used to assume that if I had trouble conceiving I would use a donor over adoption. About 10 years ago there was a series of articles in the post regarding donor children who speaking out against the practice. That was the first that I had ever heard about it, and it brought to my attention issues that I had never really considered, it actually changed my opinion regarding the ethics of sperm/egg donation. I actually do think that it's very legitimate to put this perspective out here on a board geared towards couples who may very well be considering this option.

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Anonymous wrote:We should all be thankful we don’t know op in real life. Here we can just ignore her crazy. It shouldn’t surprise anyone who has read her posts that op doesn’t understand or care what supportive means.

Just stop. Why are you still on this thread? Start another thread and prove that this topic is not important or worth discussing. Get a support for your thesis. Get your likes and approvals on your thread. Character attack is very passé, we've seen it done over and over and it's just like a broken record. It doesn't work.

NP. I think the larger issue that most people have is the forum in which you have chosen to discuss this. We're generally a very supportive, kind group here. I think it's just inaccurate to assume that parents who choose to become parents through using another person's egg/embryo/sperm haven't considered, in depth, the effect of this decision. When it comes to ART, practically nothing is spontaneous. Everything MUST be heavily considered as a matter not only of principle, but sometimes as a requirement. As someone pointed out earlier in the thread, many fertility clinics require you to undergo counseling with a social worker before proceeding with ART using a donor of any kind. For some, using some kind of donor is the ONLY way they will become parents (because adoption does not always work out).

Have you seen "One Last Shot" on Netflix? Consider the stories of those couples. Consider their pain and heartache and all of the LOVE they have to give to those children.

I understand your issue, OP, which is that it's unfair to the offspring of donor children to be "in the dark" about their genetic background. But this isn't a black and white issue - nothing is when it comes to infertility. It's a very personal, harrowing journey for many, and while I do see your perspective (I mean I really do - we chose a known donor for many of the reasons you bring up), I also think while trying to remain objective and present just the facts, you're coming across as insensitive and tone deaf, which is why people are asking that you please stop or, at the very least, take this up in "off topic" or "parenting - special concerns."

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We should all be thankful we don’t know op in real life. Here we can just ignore her crazy. It shouldn’t surprise anyone who has read her posts that op doesn’t understand or care what supportive means.

Just stop. Why are you still on this thread? Start another thread and prove that this topic is not important or worth discussing. Get a support for your thesis. Get your likes and approvals on your thread. Character attack is very passé, we've seen it done over and over and it's just like a broken record. It doesn't work.

NP. I think the larger issue that most people have is the forum in which you have chosen to discuss this. We're generally a very supportive, kind group here. I think it's just inaccurate to assume that parents who choose to become parents through using another person's egg/embryo/sperm haven't considered, in depth, the effect of this decision. When it comes to ART, practically nothing is spontaneous. Everything MUST be heavily considered as a matter not only of principle, but sometimes as a requirement. As someone pointed out earlier in the thread, many fertility clinics require you to undergo counseling with a social worker before proceeding with ART using a donor of any kind. For some, using some kind of donor is the ONLY way they will become parents (because adoption does not always work out).

Have you seen "One Last Shot" on Netflix? Consider the stories of those couples. Consider their pain and heartache and all of the LOVE they have to give to those children.

I understand your issue, OP, which is that it's unfair to the offspring of donor children to be "in the dark" about their genetic background. But this isn't a black and white issue - nothing is when it comes to infertility. It's a very personal, harrowing journey for many, and while I do see your perspective (I mean I really do - we chose a known donor for many of the reasons you bring up), I also think while trying to remain objective and present just the facts, you're coming across as insensitive and tone deaf, which is why people are asking that you please stop or, at the very least, take this up in "off topic" or "parenting - special concerns."

Your post is reasonable.
I understand infertility because I am going through it.
I also started the thread about "One More Shot" precisely because I am incredibly supportive and compassionate towards fellow infertile people. I also loved the fact that the protagonist used her sister's eggs (unsuccessfully unfortunately) as that would have been totally benevolent and open donation. They also adopted an abandoned embryo, akin to adopting a child except that the protagonist went through childbirth. I loved that movie.
I still think that gamete donation is ok to be discussed openly.