Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I went to public school all the way through - my parents could've afforded private - and got a great education and 2 Ivy degrees. In the same boat with my kids, have the money, staying public in NWDC (Hardy feeder through to Wilson). I don't feel like my kids need such a sheltered, country club like environment for school or such as sense of heightened privilege that I feel so many families feel they are either 'buying' or cultivating (or shielding their kids from difference). I get that the privates offer smaller class sizes and stunning campuses and resources - but many of the area publics offer really strong academics, resources, extra currics etc etc - and there are a large number of families where they COULD afford privates but don't. For all the grumbling on DCUM - Deal and Hardy and Wilson are really nice schools, the kids have access to tons of advantages, and do just fine.
This. I don’t want sheltered kids. The world will not cater to your needs. Better to learn now than later on.
Did you go to private school? Because I did, and I've never had the expectation that the world will cater to my needs. Quite the contrary - I am constantly surprised at how many people around here (who went to public school) think that.
If you didn't go to private school yourself, or didn't send your kids there for multiple years, your opinion on private school is useless. Same is mine on public school, which is why I don't give it.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We chose public although we could afford private. In the K year we applied to a very well-regarded private and DC got in; however, after much thought and consideration we went with public. Years later I am glad we made that choice (and so are our DC). DC got an excellent education at the public schools. Now we're evaluating public vs. private again for one of our DC. The reason is that DC is a good athlete and the local privates have a better athletic program than the local public schools.
From what we've gathered thus far for our particular choices (and keep in mind that this is really a choice between specific private schools and specific public schools, and can't be generalized easily), these are the weighing factors:
1) Facilities and athletics program - private is better.
2) STEM - public is better. DC is in an advanced math class already and based on what we've seen of the private curriculums we've evaluated, we're worried about the quality of the math education in particular. The STEM curriculums seem more shallow than those of the public school from what we've seen so far. (Incidentally, this was less noticeable at the elementary level when we first made this decision but it is much more obvious at the high school level.)
3) Literature, social science, etc. - Private is better. Smaller classes mean more time spent on essays, teaching writing, etc. With respect to curriculums, it's the opposite of STEM (public school curriculum seems more shallow).
4) Social/Character - it's a wash, and probably depends on the kid. Private has fewer kids with overt behavioral problems but more kids who are delicate, demanding, and entitled. Public is more racially and socioeconomically diverse. Private spends more time actively cultivating leadership, service, and expectations of character.
5) Teachers - Private teachers are generally better for literature, social science, etc. Public STEM teachers are better.
I'm not sure what we're going to do. Right now I feel like private would be exchanging a better STEM education for better athletics which doesn't feel like the best choice for a kid who likes STEM. On the other hand, I wonder whether DC would do well in STEM regardless and going to a school that cultivates writing skills would be good since DC is weaker in that area, plus for a kid who loves athletics, a good program can do wonders.
I don't know how helpful that is because your schools are different than my schools but FWIW this is how it breaks down for us.
People from public schools keep saying this about STEM, but I am not sure how they have decided that. Obviously, private schools vary much more than public schools with their standardized offerings. My impression is that many private schools give a more solid, traditional grounding in math, opting not to accelerate the bulk of their classes but to spend more time looking at math in-depth. Many have also not shifted to CC-based curricula. In Geometry, for example, my DS's class was highly proof-intensive, unlike MCPS' 2.0 Geo. However, the full range of math classes (M-V Calc; Linear Algebra, etc.) are available in the well-regarded privates, and most of the teachers have content degrees, something not necessarily true in publics. I guess your interpretation about superiority will be based on your feelings about the above.
I have absolutely not found that private school science is inferior in any way. The kids are exposed to much more science during the younger years. High school offerings are just as good. The only difference is that smaller cohorts of kids might require that specialized classes are offered on a rotating basis. All of DC privates offer the equivalent of all of the AP sciences, plus many more good science electives. There is likely less focus on science-based extracurriculars, though and probably less intensive computer programming (although most schools offer it.) Again - most teachers have content degrees.
My impressions are based on independent schools in the DC area, but I don't have as much familiarity with parochial school offerings. If that is what you are talking about, you should make that comparison directly.
Can you explain what you think the weaknesses of private STEM are?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I went to public school all the way through - my parents could've afforded private - and got a great education and 2 Ivy degrees. In the same boat with my kids, have the money, staying public in NWDC (Hardy feeder through to Wilson). I don't feel like my kids need such a sheltered, country club like environment for school or such as sense of heightened privilege that I feel so many families feel they are either 'buying' or cultivating (or shielding their kids from difference). I get that the privates offer smaller class sizes and stunning campuses and resources - but many of the area publics offer really strong academics, resources, extra currics etc etc - and there are a large number of families where they COULD afford privates but don't. For all the grumbling on DCUM - Deal and Hardy and Wilson are really nice schools, the kids have access to tons of advantages, and do just fine.
This. I don’t want sheltered kids. The world will not cater to your needs. Better to learn now than later on.
Did you go to private school? Because I did, and I've never had the expectation that the world will cater to my needs. Quite the contrary - I am constantly surprised at how many people around here (who went to public school) think that.
If you didn't go to private school yourself, or didn't send your kids there for multiple years, your opinion on private school is useless. Same is mine on public school, which is why I don't give it.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I went to public school all the way through - my parents could've afforded private - and got a great education and 2 Ivy degrees. In the same boat with my kids, have the money, staying public in NWDC (Hardy feeder through to Wilson). I don't feel like my kids need such a sheltered, country club like environment for school or such as sense of heightened privilege that I feel so many families feel they are either 'buying' or cultivating (or shielding their kids from difference). I get that the privates offer smaller class sizes and stunning campuses and resources - but many of the area publics offer really strong academics, resources, extra currics etc etc - and there are a large number of families where they COULD afford privates but don't. For all the grumbling on DCUM - Deal and Hardy and Wilson are really nice schools, the kids have access to tons of advantages, and do just fine.
This. I don’t want sheltered kids. The world will not cater to your needs. Better to learn now than later on.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We chose public although we could afford private. In the K year we applied to a very well-regarded private and DC got in; however, after much thought and consideration we went with public. Years later I am glad we made that choice (and so are our DC). DC got an excellent education at the public schools. Now we're evaluating public vs. private again for one of our DC. The reason is that DC is a good athlete and the local privates have a better athletic program than the local public schools.
From what we've gathered thus far for our particular choices (and keep in mind that this is really a choice between specific private schools and specific public schools, and can't be generalized easily), these are the weighing factors:
1) Facilities and athletics program - private is better.
2) STEM - public is better. DC is in an advanced math class already and based on what we've seen of the private curriculums we've evaluated, we're worried about the quality of the math education in particular. The STEM curriculums seem more shallow than those of the public school from what we've seen so far. (Incidentally, this was less noticeable at the elementary level when we first made this decision but it is much more obvious at the high school level.)
3) Literature, social science, etc. - Private is better. Smaller classes mean more time spent on essays, teaching writing, etc. With respect to curriculums, it's the opposite of STEM (public school curriculum seems more shallow).
4) Social/Character - it's a wash, and probably depends on the kid. Private has fewer kids with overt behavioral problems but more kids who are delicate, demanding, and entitled. Public is more racially and socioeconomically diverse. Private spends more time actively cultivating leadership, service, and expectations of character.
5) Teachers - Private teachers are generally better for literature, social science, etc. Public STEM teachers are better.
I'm not sure what we're going to do. Right now I feel like private would be exchanging a better STEM education for better athletics which doesn't feel like the best choice for a kid who likes STEM. On the other hand, I wonder whether DC would do well in STEM regardless and going to a school that cultivates writing skills would be good since DC is weaker in that area, plus for a kid who loves athletics, a good program can do wonders.
I don't know how helpful that is because your schools are different than my schools but FWIW this is how it breaks down for us.
People from public schools keep saying this about STEM, but I am not sure how they have decided that. Obviously, private schools vary much more than public schools with their standardized offerings. My impression is that many private schools give a more solid, traditional grounding in math, opting not to accelerate the bulk of their classes but to spend more time looking at math in-depth. Many have also not shifted to CC-based curricula. In Geometry, for example, my DS's class was highly proof-intensive, unlike MCPS' 2.0 Geo. However, the full range of math classes (M-V Calc; Linear Algebra, etc.) are available in the well-regarded privates, and most of the teachers have content degrees, something not necessarily true in publics. I guess your interpretation about superiority will be based on your feelings about the above.
I have absolutely not found that private school science is inferior in any way. The kids are exposed to much more science during the younger years. High school offerings are just as good. The only difference is that smaller cohorts of kids might require that specialized classes are offered on a rotating basis. All of DC privates offer the equivalent of all of the AP sciences, plus many more good science electives. There is likely less focus on science-based extracurriculars, though and probably less intensive computer programming (although most schools offer it.) Again - most teachers have content degrees.
My impressions are based on independent schools in the DC area, but I don't have as much familiarity with parochial school offerings. If that is what you are talking about, you should make that comparison directly.
Can you explain what you think the weaknesses of private STEM are?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I went to public school all the way through - my parents could've afforded private - and got a great education and 2 Ivy degrees. In the same boat with my kids, have the money, staying public in NWDC (Hardy feeder through to Wilson). I don't feel like my kids need such a sheltered, country club like environment for school or such as sense of heightened privilege that I feel so many families feel they are either 'buying' or cultivating (or shielding their kids from difference). I get that the privates offer smaller class sizes and stunning campuses and resources - but many of the area publics offer really strong academics, resources, extra currics etc etc - and there are a large number of families where they COULD afford privates but don't. For all the grumbling on DCUM - Deal and Hardy and Wilson are really nice schools, the kids have access to tons of advantages, and do just fine.
Ewww. Sad for your kids
Anonymous wrote:I went to public school all the way through - my parents could've afforded private - and got a great education and 2 Ivy degrees. In the same boat with my kids, have the money, staying public in NWDC (Hardy feeder through to Wilson). I don't feel like my kids need such a sheltered, country club like environment for school or such as sense of heightened privilege that I feel so many families feel they are either 'buying' or cultivating (or shielding their kids from difference). I get that the privates offer smaller class sizes and stunning campuses and resources - but many of the area publics offer really strong academics, resources, extra currics etc etc - and there are a large number of families where they COULD afford privates but don't. For all the grumbling on DCUM - Deal and Hardy and Wilson are really nice schools, the kids have access to tons of advantages, and do just fine.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We chose public although we could afford private. In the K year we applied to a very well-regarded private and DC got in; however, after much thought and consideration we went with public. Years later I am glad we made that choice (and so are our DC). DC got an excellent education at the public schools. Now we're evaluating public vs. private again for one of our DC. The reason is that DC is a good athlete and the local privates have a better athletic program than the local public schools.
From what we've gathered thus far for our particular choices (and keep in mind that this is really a choice between specific private schools and specific public schools, and can't be generalized easily), these are the weighing factors:
1) Facilities and athletics program - private is better.
2) STEM - public is better. DC is in an advanced math class already and based on what we've seen of the private curriculums we've evaluated, we're worried about the quality of the math education in particular. The STEM curriculums seem more shallow than those of the public school from what we've seen so far. (Incidentally, this was less noticeable at the elementary level when we first made this decision but it is much more obvious at the high school level.)
3) Literature, social science, etc. - Private is better. Smaller classes mean more time spent on essays, teaching writing, etc. With respect to curriculums, it's the opposite of STEM (public school curriculum seems more shallow).
4) Social/Character - it's a wash, and probably depends on the kid. Private has fewer kids with overt behavioral problems but more kids who are delicate, demanding, and entitled. Public is more racially and socioeconomically diverse. Private spends more time actively cultivating leadership, service, and expectations of character.
5) Teachers - Private teachers are generally better for literature, social science, etc. Public STEM teachers are better.
I'm not sure what we're going to do. Right now I feel like private would be exchanging a better STEM education for better athletics which doesn't feel like the best choice for a kid who likes STEM. On the other hand, I wonder whether DC would do well in STEM regardless and going to a school that cultivates writing skills would be good since DC is weaker in that area, plus for a kid who loves athletics, a good program can do wonders.
I don't know how helpful that is because your schools are different than my schools but FWIW this is how it breaks down for us.
People from public schools keep saying this about STEM, but I am not sure how they have decided that. Obviously, private schools vary much more than public schools with their standardized offerings. My impression is that many private schools give a more solid, traditional grounding in math, opting not to accelerate the bulk of their classes but to spend more time looking at math in-depth. Many have also not shifted to CC-based curricula. In Geometry, for example, my DS's class was highly proof-intensive, unlike MCPS' 2.0 Geo. However, the full range of math classes (M-V Calc; Linear Algebra, etc.) are available in the well-regarded privates, and most of the teachers have content degrees, something not necessarily true in publics. I guess your interpretation about superiority will be based on your feelings about the above.
I have absolutely not found that private school science is inferior in any way. The kids are exposed to much more science during the younger years. High school offerings are just as good. The only difference is that smaller cohorts of kids might require that specialized classes are offered on a rotating basis. All of DC privates offer the equivalent of all of the AP sciences, plus many more good science electives. There is likely less focus on science-based extracurriculars, though and probably less intensive computer programming (although most schools offer it.) Again - most teachers have content degrees.
My impressions are based on independent schools in the DC area, but I don't have as much familiarity with parochial school offerings. If that is what you are talking about, you should make that comparison directly.
Can you explain what you think the weaknesses of private STEM are?
Anonymous wrote:I went to public school all the way through - my parents could've afforded private - and got a great education and 2 Ivy degrees. In the same boat with my kids, have the money, staying public in NWDC (Hardy feeder through to Wilson). I don't feel like my kids need such a sheltered, country club like environment for school or such as sense of heightened privilege that I feel so many families feel they are either 'buying' or cultivating (or shielding their kids from difference). I get that the privates offer smaller class sizes and stunning campuses and resources - but many of the area publics offer really strong academics, resources, extra currics etc etc - and there are a large number of families where they COULD afford privates but don't. For all the grumbling on DCUM - Deal and Hardy and Wilson are really nice schools, the kids have access to tons of advantages, and do just fine.
Anonymous wrote:We chose public although we could afford private. In the K year we applied to a very well-regarded private and DC got in; however, after much thought and consideration we went with public. Years later I am glad we made that choice (and so are our DC). DC got an excellent education at the public schools. Now we're evaluating public vs. private again for one of our DC. The reason is that DC is a good athlete and the local privates have a better athletic program than the local public schools.
From what we've gathered thus far for our particular choices (and keep in mind that this is really a choice between specific private schools and specific public schools, and can't be generalized easily), these are the weighing factors:
1) Facilities and athletics program - private is better.
2) STEM - public is better. DC is in an advanced math class already and based on what we've seen of the private curriculums we've evaluated, we're worried about the quality of the math education in particular. The STEM curriculums seem more shallow than those of the public school from what we've seen so far. (Incidentally, this was less noticeable at the elementary level when we first made this decision but it is much more obvious at the high school level.)
3) Literature, social science, etc. - Private is better. Smaller classes mean more time spent on essays, teaching writing, etc. With respect to curriculums, it's the opposite of STEM (public school curriculum seems more shallow).
4) Social/Character - it's a wash, and probably depends on the kid. Private has fewer kids with overt behavioral problems but more kids who are delicate, demanding, and entitled. Public is more racially and socioeconomically diverse. Private spends more time actively cultivating leadership, service, and expectations of character.
5) Teachers - Private teachers are generally better for literature, social science, etc. Public STEM teachers are better.
I'm not sure what we're going to do. Right now I feel like private would be exchanging a better STEM education for better athletics which doesn't feel like the best choice for a kid who likes STEM. On the other hand, I wonder whether DC would do well in STEM regardless and going to a school that cultivates writing skills would be good since DC is weaker in that area, plus for a kid who loves athletics, a good program can do wonders.
I don't know how helpful that is because your schools are different than my schools but FWIW this is how it breaks down for us.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Vast majority of people I know in N. Arlington who could easily afford private go to private. However, there’s so much wealth and parental support in some of those schools that they may as well be privates.
Interesting that Arlington is so private school focused. We are in Bethesda and there are a lot of people here who can easily afford private but choose public.
uhh...that's cause it's Bethesda...
What's really important for us is looking at the personalities of our kids and trying to figure out whether the environment of the school we could send them to would contribute to developing their sense of self. The academics is in a way secondary because as parents, we can always hire a tutor or on our own which we do today, do more math, science, reading/writing with them. We can take them on vacations/trips and show them the world and introduce them to new experiences. It's less about academics for us and more about the connections they will make in school - a good teacher is worth their weight in gold.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Vast majority of people I know in N. Arlington who could easily afford private go to private. However, there’s so much wealth and parental support in some of those schools that they may as well be privates.
Interesting that Arlington is so private school focused. We are in Bethesda and there are a lot of people here who can easily afford private but choose public.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Default is public, private if issues crop up.
We can easily afford private and this has been our path. My kids are thriving in public.
Assuming you have a pretty typical kid, I'm willing to consider private school is possibly marginally better. But it's not enough to convince me to do it. Not enough ROI. Also, the admissions process for these private schools is a huge turn off to me. No thanks.
+1
We are in MCPS zoned for schools that most would laugh at. We moved out kids out of private this year and all I keep thinking is 'What the hell were we paying for the last 6 years??"