Anonymous
Post 01/17/2018 21:11     Subject: US women's gymnastics...
Anonymous wrote:I do not understand how so many men don't have a conscience. In politics, in entertainment, in religion, and in sports.

They groom, and they abuse again and again and again with zero regard for anyone else, except their "kicks." How do so many men have no sense of wrong? Guilt? Shame?

If you raise your boy to believe he deserves almost anything he wants, what do you expect?
Anonymous
Post 01/17/2018 20:47     Subject: US women's gymnastics...
I do not understand how so many men don't have a conscience. In politics, in entertainment, in religion, and in sports.

They groom, and they abuse again and again and again with zero regard for anyone else, except their "kicks." How do so many men have no sense of wrong? Guilt? Shame?
Anonymous
Post 01/17/2018 20:42     Subject: US women's gymnastics...
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Jordyn Weiber was part of the Fierce Five. How dis she escape this?


Maybe she didn’t. Not everyone comes forward.


At this point, you have to wonder who WASN’T abused. That ESPN article was sickening.

My thought exactly. Like Hollywood.
Who wasn't abused?

...You were either
A) Abuser
B) Victim
C) Enabler
Anonymous
Post 01/17/2018 20:40     Subject: US women's gymnastics...
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Jordyn Weiber was part of the Fierce Five. How dis she escape this?


Maybe she didn’t. Not everyone comes forward.


At this point, you have to wonder who WASN’T abused. That ESPN article was sickening.

My thought exactly. Like Hollywood.
Who wasn't abused?
Anonymous
Post 01/17/2018 20:28     Subject: US women's gymnastics...
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Jordyn Weiber was part of the Fierce Five. How dis she escape this?


Maybe she didn’t. Not everyone comes forward.


At this point, you have to wonder who WASN’T abused. That ESPN article was sickening.
Anonymous
Post 01/17/2018 20:18     Subject: US women's gymnastics...
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This story adds a lot of detail. Nasser was the "good guy" counterpart to an abusive coach. People complained and were dismissed.

http://www.espn.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/22046031

Every. Single. Parent. Needs to read this.




Agree-thank to whoever posted this.
Anonymous
Post 01/17/2018 19:52     Subject: US women's gymnastics...
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Even non-abusive gymnastics coaches are horrible. At our studio in CA, I watch the competitive coaches and they are verbally abusive, demanding, push the girls until they cry, the boys are red faced and crying too. It's awful. The coaches are cold, unsmiling. It's heartbreaking to see all these talented hopeful kids get their self esteem beaten daily.


We've experienced this in the dance world, too. (not trying to make sweeping statements - we obviously know MANY wonderful dance teachers) I'm not all for treating our kids like kings and queens or snowflakes or whatever it may be, but there will always be a happy medium between coddling and verbal (or otherwise) abuse.

Exactly. Parents have GOT to band together and STOP allowing this abuse of their children.
Anonymous
Post 01/17/2018 19:45     Subject: US women's gymnastics...
Anonymous wrote:Even non-abusive gymnastics coaches are horrible. At our studio in CA, I watch the competitive coaches and they are verbally abusive, demanding, push the girls until they cry, the boys are red faced and crying too. It's awful. The coaches are cold, unsmiling. It's heartbreaking to see all these talented hopeful kids get their self esteem beaten daily.


We've experienced this in the dance world, too. (not trying to make sweeping statements - we obviously know MANY wonderful dance teachers) I'm not all for treating our kids like kings and queens or snowflakes or whatever it may be, but there will always be a happy medium between coddling and verbal (or otherwise) abuse.
Anonymous
Post 01/17/2018 19:40     Subject: US women's gymnastics...
Even non-abusive gymnastics coaches are horrible. At our studio in CA, I watch the competitive coaches and they are verbally abusive, demanding, push the girls until they cry, the boys are red faced and crying too. It's awful. The coaches are cold, unsmiling. It's heartbreaking to see all these talented hopeful kids get their self esteem beaten daily.
Anonymous
Post 01/17/2018 19:38     Subject: US women's gymnastics...
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Jordyn Weiber was part of the Fierce Five. How dis she escape this?


Maybe she didn’t. Not everyone comes forward.


Her coach was one of the main enablers (and an abusive jerk himself). I'm sure she's been through a lot.


I think she works for the UCLA team with Miss Val and a lot of the ex-Olympians (Kyla Ross, Madison Kocian). Maybe she was abused and just wants to move on from it. We have to hope people who have been abused will come forward. We can't demand that they do. Everyone has to do what feels right for them.

That's exactly what the rapists and their enablers want... for the victims to keep quiet for whatever reason. They don't care about the reasons.

Anonymous
Post 01/17/2018 19:28     Subject: US women's gymnastics...
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Jordyn Weiber was part of the Fierce Five. How dis she escape this?


Maybe she didn’t. Not everyone comes forward.


Her coach was one of the main enablers (and an abusive jerk himself). I'm sure she's been through a lot.


I think she works for the UCLA team with Miss Val and a lot of the ex-Olympians (Kyla Ross, Madison Kocian). Maybe she was abused and just wants to move on from it. We have to hope people who have been abused will come forward. We can't demand that they do. Everyone has to do what feels right for them.
Anonymous
Post 01/17/2018 19:26     Subject: Re:US women's gymnastics...
They absolutely should move camp from the ranch. They actually should have moved it once they realized Aly, Gabby, Simone, Maggie and god knows who else were being forced to return there every single month while training for Rio. It is dispicable that USAG made so much money off these girls/women while they created a hostile training environment that allowed Nassar to thrive and then actively tried to cover up their abuse.

If I had a daughter who was invited there right now I would have a hard time saying yes. On the other hand, none of the current girls should have to miss out because of this monster.
Anonymous
Post 01/17/2018 19:25     Subject: US women's gymnastics...
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Jordyn Weiber was part of the Fierce Five. How dis she escape this?


Maybe she didn’t. Not everyone comes forward.


Her coach was one of the main enablers (and an abusive jerk himself). I'm sure she's been through a lot.
Anonymous
Post 01/17/2018 19:20     Subject: US women's gymnastics...
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Haven’t followed this beyond the twitter statements of the fab 5. Sorry to be obtuse but they were young healthy girls, why were there sooooo many routine dr appointments? If it was for wear and tear on the body and you went in say to have your back looked at and he proceeded to stick his fingers in your vag - understandably they couldn’t fight off a grown man - but wouldn’t you tell someone? Say your parents by phone even if they didn’t travel with you? And if they ignored you and you were summoned to the dr again next week, couldn’t you just say you wouldn’t go/require a nurse there or simply just not show up?!


The guy was a master manipulator and groomed all the survivors. The environment in elite gymnastics is very intense and this predator had them believing he was “on their side” and was their friend. I think that a lot of the girls said they felt uncomfortable st times and felt like something was off but they didn’t feel they could speak up or were to scared to. These are girls and women who are shooting for the Olympics and they were willing to endure A LOT to get there as we now know.

If you want more insight Aly Raismans new book “Fierce” gave some insight into the gymnastics culture and what it is really like doing elite gymnastics.


Some actually DID speak up,
and were IGNORED.
Let's please be honest here.


Was not trying to be “dishonest” geez. The PP asked why some of the women did not speak up.
Anonymous
Post 01/17/2018 19:03     Subject: US women's gymnastics...
Anonymous wrote:Jordyn Weiber was part of the Fierce Five. How dis she escape this?


Maybe she didn’t. Not everyone comes forward.