Anonymous
Post 01/16/2018 14:05     Subject: AAP hopefuls and in-school achievement testing
Handful of 140 and 150 kids.

It's only recently that it's also for a lot of 120 kids.
Anonymous
Post 01/16/2018 14:04     Subject: AAP hopefuls and in-school achievement testing
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Also, the question still stands: At any center, there will still be some handful of kids who are > 1 standard deviation in either math or language arts compared to the other kids in their AAP classroom. How is this handled? Are the exceptionally far ahead kids grouped and instructed together? Are they bumped up to a higher grade for that subject? Or are they just expected to twiddle their thumbs and wait for the other kids to catch up?


For those kids, parents should really ask for skipping grade(s) or sent to private school or home school. FCPS AAP can not meet these kids needs.


Or they could cut back the program to about one third of its current size, and send the rest back to Gen Ed. If AAP were less watered down, it might be able to serve the needs of kids who are actually gifted. Half to two-thirds of the kids in AAP are just bright, hard-working kids who would be served fine in Gen Ed.


The program has always been for 130+ kids, not for the handf
Anonymous
Post 01/16/2018 14:00     Subject: AAP hopefuls and in-school achievement testing
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Also, the question still stands: At any center, there will still be some handful of kids who are > 1 standard deviation in either math or language arts compared to the other kids in their AAP classroom. How is this handled? Are the exceptionally far ahead kids grouped and instructed together? Are they bumped up to a higher grade for that subject? Or are they just expected to twiddle their thumbs and wait for the other kids to catch up?


For those kids, parents should really ask for skipping grade(s) or sent to private school or home school. FCPS AAP can not meet these kids needs.


Or they could cut back the program to about one third of its current size, and send the rest back to Gen Ed. If AAP were less watered down, it might be able to serve the needs of kids who are actually gifted. Half to two-thirds of the kids in AAP are just bright, hard-working kids who would be served fine in Gen Ed.
Anonymous
Post 01/16/2018 13:57     Subject: AAP hopefuls and in-school achievement testing
Anonymous wrote:Also, the question still stands: At any center, there will still be some handful of kids who are > 1 standard deviation in either math or language arts compared to the other kids in their AAP classroom. How is this handled? Are the exceptionally far ahead kids grouped and instructed together? Are they bumped up to a higher grade for that subject? Or are they just expected to twiddle their thumbs and wait for the other kids to catch up?


I don't even know what greater than > 1 standard deviation means so you probably don't want your kid slumming it with my kid
Anonymous
Post 01/16/2018 13:53     Subject: AAP hopefuls and in-school achievement testing
Anonymous wrote:Also, the question still stands: At any center, there will still be some handful of kids who are > 1 standard deviation in either math or language arts compared to the other kids in their AAP classroom. How is this handled? Are the exceptionally far ahead kids grouped and instructed together? Are they bumped up to a higher grade for that subject? Or are they just expected to twiddle their thumbs and wait for the other kids to catch up?


It depends on the principal and the teachers at each center school.
Anonymous
Post 01/16/2018 13:51     Subject: AAP hopefuls and in-school achievement testing
Anonymous wrote:Also, the question still stands: At any center, there will still be some handful of kids who are > 1 standard deviation in either math or language arts compared to the other kids in their AAP classroom. How is this handled? Are the exceptionally far ahead kids grouped and instructed together? Are they bumped up to a higher grade for that subject? Or are they just expected to twiddle their thumbs and wait for the other kids to catch up?


For those kids, parents should really ask for skipping grade(s) or sent to private school or home school. FCPS AAP can not meet these kids needs.
Anonymous
Post 01/16/2018 13:49     Subject: AAP hopefuls and in-school achievement testing
Also, the question still stands: At any center, there will still be some handful of kids who are > 1 standard deviation in either math or language arts compared to the other kids in their AAP classroom. How is this handled? Are the exceptionally far ahead kids grouped and instructed together? Are they bumped up to a higher grade for that subject? Or are they just expected to twiddle their thumbs and wait for the other kids to catch up?
Anonymous
Post 01/16/2018 13:38     Subject: Re:AAP hopefuls and in-school achievement testing
Anonymous wrote:

There will be a lot of kids with COGAT quants in the 130s in the class.

And there will be a lot of kids with CogAT quants in the 120s or even 110s. Any of those are vastly different from a kid with 150 who hit the ceiling of the test. This is starting to sound like one of those classic dcum AAP hypocrisies, wherein parents insist that their 130 kid "needs AAP" and "cannot possibly learn alongside" those 120s kids, but then take umbrage at the suggestion that kids with a 150 can't learn alongside their 130 kid.
Anonymous
Post 01/16/2018 13:18     Subject: AAP hopefuls and in-school achievement testing
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:
"Significantly above grade level" meaning that the bar showing where my child is relative to the "on grade level" band extends 50+ points above the top of that band. Sheesh. I was hoping that some kids might have comparable scores, such that my child might have a math peer group in AAP. But if the PP is correct that 493 = 99th percentile, it is unlikely that many of his AAP classmates will even be in the same ballpark. I don't think he will be bored at all with the language arts side of AAP.


iReady tests only one grade above and you will be surprised to find that there are 100's of students in AAP having "Significantly above grade level"! FCPS is full of smart kids!!

Cool! So, did anyone else's 2nd grader score > 550 math and have a CogAT Quantitative > 145? I would love to see my child have a peer group. He certainly doesn't at his local school.


My DD did not score >550 in math but he FSIQ is 149. But it doesn't really matter if our kids are not in the same school.
Anonymous
Post 01/16/2018 12:54     Subject: Re:AAP hopefuls and in-school achievement testing
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My kid scored above grade level in iReady Math, though I do not recall the number. His CogAT quant was 142--missed two questions. And he does have a couple of peers at our base school, which is also a center school. Is that close enough for you, PP?

Great! I think your base school is higher performing than mine, but that's encouraging. So, if hypothetically, a center school gets 6-10 kids who are highly talented in math out of the 3 classrooms worth of AAP kids (so 80-90 kids), how will that center handle it? Will the center push those kids into a higher grade math? Will they be grouped together? Will thy probably be separated to 2 or 3 per classroom and taught alongside the kids in AAP who are on-grade level with CogAT Quants in the 110s or 120s?


There will be a lot of kids with COGAT quants in the 130s in the class.
Anonymous
Post 01/16/2018 12:18     Subject: Re:AAP hopefuls and in-school achievement testing
Anonymous wrote:My kid scored above grade level in iReady Math, though I do not recall the number. His CogAT quant was 142--missed two questions. And he does have a couple of peers at our base school, which is also a center school. Is that close enough for you, PP?

Great! I think your base school is higher performing than mine, but that's encouraging. So, if hypothetically, a center school gets 6-10 kids who are highly talented in math out of the 3 classrooms worth of AAP kids (so 80-90 kids), how will that center handle it? Will the center push those kids into a higher grade math? Will they be grouped together? Will thy probably be separated to 2 or 3 per classroom and taught alongside the kids in AAP who are on-grade level with CogAT Quants in the 110s or 120s?
Anonymous
Post 01/16/2018 11:22     Subject: Re:AAP hopefuls and in-school achievement testing
My kid scored above grade level in iReady Math, though I do not recall the number. His CogAT quant was 142--missed two questions. And he does have a couple of peers at our base school, which is also a center school. Is that close enough for you, PP?
Anonymous
Post 01/16/2018 11:16     Subject: AAP hopefuls and in-school achievement testing
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Cool! So, did anyone else's 2nd grader score > 550 math and have a CogAT Quantitative > 145? I would love to see my child have a peer group. He certainly doesn't at his local school.


So what is your Dc Cogat and NNAT? Is he in pool or parent refer?

Irrelevant for this discussion, but in-pool. CogAT composite > 140. NNAT just under in-pool. Expecting a very high GBRS. I have no doubt that he will have a peer group in language arts in AAP. I highly doubt he will have one in math.
Anonymous
Post 01/16/2018 11:10     Subject: AAP hopefuls and in-school achievement testing
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
"Significantly above grade level" meaning that the bar showing where my child is relative to the "on grade level" band extends 50+ points above the top of that band. Sheesh. I was hoping that some kids might have comparable scores, such that my child might have a math peer group in AAP. But if the PP is correct that 493 = 99th percentile, it is unlikely that many of his AAP classmates will even be in the same ballpark. I don't think he will be bored at all with the language arts side of AAP.


iReady tests only one grade above and you will be surprised to find that there are 100's of students in AAP having "Significantly above grade level"! FCPS is full of smart kids!!

Cool! So, did anyone else's 2nd grader score > 550 math and have a CogAT Quantitative > 145? I would love to see my child have a peer group. He certainly doesn't at his local school.


So what is your Dc Cogat and NNAT? Is he in pool or parent refer?
Anonymous
Post 01/16/2018 09:57     Subject: AAP hopefuls and in-school achievement testing
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
"Significantly above grade level" meaning that the bar showing where my child is relative to the "on grade level" band extends 50+ points above the top of that band. Sheesh. I was hoping that some kids might have comparable scores, such that my child might have a math peer group in AAP. But if the PP is correct that 493 = 99th percentile, it is unlikely that many of his AAP classmates will even be in the same ballpark. I don't think he will be bored at all with the language arts side of AAP.


iReady tests only one grade above and you will be surprised to find that there are 100's of students in AAP having "Significantly above grade level"! FCPS is full of smart kids!!

Cool! So, did anyone else's 2nd grader score > 550 math and have a CogAT Quantitative > 145? I would love to see my child have a peer group. He certainly doesn't at his local school.