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Anonymous wrote:https://www.jbhe.com/2017/01/black-first-year-students-at-the-nations-leading-research-universities-2016/

https://www.jbhe.com/2017/01/black-first-year-students-at-the-nations-leading-liberal-arts-colleges-2016/

Overall vs. Black Acceptance Rate:

Emory- 25.2% vs 25.9%
Cornell- 14.1% vs 17.6%
UChicago- 7.9% vs 8.3%
Johns Hopkins- 11.9% vs 15.6%
USC- 16.6% vs 14.9%
Rice- 15.3% vs 16.7%
Pomona- 9.4% vs 16%
Wesleyan- 17% vs 12.9%
Davidson- 20.1% vs 13%
Colgate- 28.5% vs 16%
Vassar- 26.9% vs 26.8%
Barnard- 16.7% vs 14.1%

The gaps are not huge and often even lower (especially at LACs)

Why are we rolling out the scores of black students? The real competition is between Asian and white students. There are not enough Black students at Harvard to make a difference in this argument. The Ivy league has decided that 7-8% of African Americans is all that they will let in. - I bet you'd see roughly the same percentages for Asians across the Ivy League, as well. I think there is a type of collusion going on.

I'm black and I think what is being done to Asians is wrong - but to say that is because they are letting in black students with lower credentials is a foolish game designed to pit minorities against each other. It's the legacy and athletic hooks that hurt Asians the most. My DC will be applying to two Ivies DCs credentials are in the middle 50% for those schools. I don't consider it to be a slam dunk at all.

Harvard latest class is 15% black

I don’t mind that - it’s good to have more blacks on campus because in general they are happier and contribute to making the school less stressful

Legacies and jews are what are really overrepresented

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Anonymous wrote:I have a mother of Hispanic descent. I never wrote Hispanic on any applications. I identify as white. But our college counselor said it would be to our advantage to have DS identify as Hispanic (even though we don't speak Spanish in the household) because he is 25% Hispanic. So there's that. We are a white family living in an affluent part of metro DC.

This is why diversity choices should be based on income only.

- Signed, fellow priviledge partial Hispanic who speaks English at home

I agree....race based AA is a joke. I know so many children that checked the Hispanic box but identify as white and don’t know a thing about that (small) portion of their cultural history.

Try asking AAs to name 5 African cities.

I don’t know where to begin. Someone help. I can’t.

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Anonymous wrote:? The Asian percent at Harvard is around or over 25% if you factor in mixed-race and international Asians as well. That is a huge chunk. At some of the more STEM oriented schools- MIT, Caltech, Rice, Harvey Mudd- the Asian population is larger than the Caucasian population.

Important to note about half the Caucasians are Jewish.

More than half

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Anonymous wrote:? The Asian percent at Harvard is around or over 25% if you factor in mixed-race and international Asians as well. That is a huge chunk. At some of the more STEM oriented schools- MIT, Caltech, Rice, Harvey Mudd- the Asian population is larger than the Caucasian population.

Important to note about half the Caucasians are Jewish.

Anonymous wrote:https://futureowls.rice.edu/futureowls/Freshman_Profile.asp

29% Asian, 29% Caucasian, 11% International of whom half are Chinese alone = plurality Asian

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.jbhe.com/2017/01/black-first-year-students-at-the-nations-leading-research-universities-2016/

https://www.jbhe.com/2017/01/black-first-year-students-at-the-nations-leading-liberal-arts-colleges-2016/

Overall vs. Black Acceptance Rate:

Emory- 25.2% vs 25.9%
Cornell- 14.1% vs 17.6%
UChicago- 7.9% vs 8.3%
Johns Hopkins- 11.9% vs 15.6%
USC- 16.6% vs 14.9%
Rice- 15.3% vs 16.7%
Pomona- 9.4% vs 16%
Wesleyan- 17% vs 12.9%
Davidson- 20.1% vs 13%
Colgate- 28.5% vs 16%
Vassar- 26.9% vs 26.8%
Barnard- 16.7% vs 14.1%

The gaps are not huge and often even lower (especially at LACs)

Why are we rolling out the scores of black students? The real competition is between Asian and white students. There are not enough Black students at Harvard to make a difference in this argument. The Ivy league has decided that 7-8% of African Americans is all that they will let in. - I bet you'd see roughly the same percentages for Asians across the Ivy League, as well. I think there is a type of collusion going on.

I'm black and I think what is being done to Asians is wrong - but to say that is because they are letting in black students with lower credentials is a foolish game designed to pit minorities against each other. It's the legacy and athletic hooks that hurt Asians the most. My DC will be applying to two Ivies DCs credentials are in the middle 50% for those schools. I don't consider it to be a slam dunk at all.

Anonymous wrote:? The Asian percent at Harvard is around or over 25% if you factor in mixed-race and international Asians as well. That is a huge chunk. At some of the more STEM oriented schools- MIT, Caltech, Rice, Harvey Mudd- the Asian population is larger than the Caucasian population.

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Anonymous wrote:People need to stop getting so worked up about affirmative action. It seriously doesn't have as big of an impact as one might think it does.

And you know this how? Do you work in admissions at Harvard?

There are 2037 admission seats. If all 2037 were given to Asian students, I wonder how many lawsuits would there be to force Harvard to create a few thousand more seats? Bottom line is there will never be enough seats to admit all qualified students regardless of ethicists

Especially at Harvard where they give almost 1/3 of their seats to white Jewish students. Because of this unfair bias everyone else is discriminated against.

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Anonymous wrote:People need to stop getting so worked up about affirmative action. It seriously doesn't have as big of an impact as one might think it does.

And you know this how? Do you work in admissions at Harvard?

There are 2037 admission seats. If all 2037 were given to Asian students, I wonder how many lawsuits would there be to force Harvard to create a few thousand more seats? Bottom line is there will never be enough seats to admit all qualified students regardless of ethicists

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Anonymous wrote:I have a mother of Hispanic descent. I never wrote Hispanic on any applications. I identify as white. But our college counselor said it would be to our advantage to have DS identify as Hispanic (even though we don't speak Spanish in the household) because he is 25% Hispanic. So there's that. We are a white family living in an affluent part of metro DC.

This is why diversity choices should be based on income only.

- Signed, fellow priviledge partial Hispanic who speaks English at home

I agree....race based AA is a joke. I know so many children that checked the Hispanic box but identify as white and don’t know a thing about that (small) portion of their cultural history.

Try asking AAs to name 5 African cities.

Anonymous wrote:Actually, I have a source: http://features.thecrimson.com/2017/freshman-survey/makeup/

2017- 25.2% Asian
2018- 24.3% Asian
2019- 23.5% Asian
2020- 26.6% Asian
2021- 23.8% Asian

If you look at just domestic students alone, Asians represent 24% of Harvard's student group (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/08/24/us/affirmative-action.html) and average about 22% at all 8 Ivies. The domestic Asian percent is 5.6%. That means Asians are highly over-represented at the Ivies- by a factor of 4 times. Am I missing something?

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Anonymous wrote:Actually, I have a source: http://features.thecrimson.com/2017/freshman-survey/makeup/

2017- 25.2% Asian
2018- 24.3% Asian
2019- 23.5% Asian
2020- 26.6% Asian
2021- 23.8% Asian

If you look at just domestic students alone, Asians represent 24% of Harvard's student group (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/08/24/us/affirmative-action.html) and average about 22% at all 8 Ivies. The domestic Asian percent is 5.6%. That means Asians are highly over-represented at the Ivies- by a factor of 4 times. Am I missing something?

Yes, you are missing something. The point is not about how Asians are over represented. The point is that Asians have to out score every group, and by A LOT in some cases, to get in. Yea yea I know about holistic approach, but IMO, "holistic" is just euphamis for affirmative action.

If a black student gets in even though he scored 500 points lower than the white or asian guy, but he has something else unique about him that the school wants, isn't that "holistic" approach?

Similarly, if a white student scoress 200 points lower than the Asian guy, but has something unique about him, then they will take the white guy over the asian guy.

Universities don't want 90% of the same types of Asian students, or white students, in their student body. I get that. But like I said, if you are against affirmative action, then you should also be against holistic approach.

--signed an asian