Anonymous wrote:Complain all you want, it's not going to change anything. Plan accordingly.

+1000 (and it is just getting worse).

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Anonymous wrote:So DCUM. Someone asks a question. You give the answer (enrolled students: 75th percentile have a 4.44 GPA, Median is 4.29 and 25th percentile is 4.13.). They don't like the answer so attack the poster and still think the Langley college counselor is going to help their 3.33 kid get in. Dream on!

What kind of delusional parent thinks their 3.33 kid should go to UVA in the first place? No amount of "help" from an overworked public high school guidance counselor is going to get them in.

That's my point, too, but the posters above don't want to hear that message. They think all college counselors will listen to their demand list request of schools and help their child get into all even if they are not appropriate fits. They don't want the bad news that there are 22 high schools in FCPS and those 22 counselors have varying ways of working and varying relationships with the Virginia universities. Most are not going to spend much effort helping your 3.3 kid get into UVA but the parents don't want to hear it.. They think there is just one poster saying that the public counselors have to route the public high school grads to the most appropriate schools where they stand a chance to get in. They don't want to hear that the public counselors will show them the Naviance chances of getting into a school like UVA, show it is almost impossible, and then suggest other "lesser" universities in VA. The simple fact is that you need to be in the top ten percent of your high school class, have the GPAs posted above (4.1-4.43) and terrific scores and some very impressive ECs to get the attention of the high school counselor for UVA. Our public high school counselor wouldn't even help our 3.5 child apply to UVA. She showed us Naviance and said it wasn't going to happen. That child is now at CNU and very happy.

Anonymous wrote:So DCUM. Someone asks a question. You give the answer (enrolled students: 75th percentile have a 4.44 GPA, Median is 4.29 and 25th percentile is 4.13.). They don't like the answer so attack the poster and still think the Langley college counselor is going to help their 3.33 kid get in. Dream on!

What kind of delusional parent thinks their 3.33 kid should go to UVA in the first place? No amount of "help" from an overworked public high school guidance counselor is going to get them in.

Anonymous wrote:So DCUM. Someone asks a question. You give the answer (enrolled students: 75th percentile have a 4.44 GPA, Median is 4.29 and 25th percentile is 4.13.). They don't like the answer so attack the poster and still think the Langley college counselor is going to help their 3.33 kid get in. Dream on!

What?

So DCUM. Someone asks a question. You give the answer (enrolled students: 75th percentile have a 4.44 GPA, Median is 4.29 and 25th percentile is 4.13.). They don't like the answer so attack the poster and still think the Langley college counselor is going to help their 3.33 kid get in. Dream on!

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, Langley High. Why so nasty?

Because you're a liar and you continue to promote your lies despite being told repeatedly that you are wrong. People like you are part of the problem with this whole climate around college admissions these days. If you want to traumatize your own family with this garbage, that's fine. But stop sharing your terrible advice. You are completely out to lunch.

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I'm the other Langley parent who called that poster out. I have no idea why s/he is making things up. Trying to intimidate others? Who knows.

Kind of makes you feel better about all the reading and asking questions about the process. Imagine being someone who just makes things up and who assumes sinister intentions when something isn't clear? I wonder why someone who thinks UVA is so bad sent their kids there?

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, Langley High. Why so nasty?

Because you're a liar and you continue to promote your lies despite being told repeatedly that you are wrong. People like you are part of the problem with this whole climate around college admissions these days. If you want to traumatize your own family with this garbage, that's fine. But stop sharing your terrible advice. You are completely out to lunch.

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I'm the other Langley parent who called that poster out. I have no idea why s/he is making things up. Trying to intimidate others? Who knows.

Anonymous wrote:Had several parents recently explain to me that it's better to send their bright kids to a less competitive public HS like West Potomac, TC Williams, or Edison, in Virginia as opposed to moving to McLean for Langley or McLean. Their rationale is that in-state VA schools make it a "policy" to take kids from the top 10% of each high school in the Commonwealth. So the odds of their child being in the top 10% at West Potomac or TC Williams (especially with a sport like crew behind them) will make them more competitive for UVA or VA Tech than being in the top 25% or so at McLean/Langley. Any truth to this?

I'd rather my kids have high caliber friends and a better 4 years of academics than a SLIGHTLY better shot at a freaking in-state flagship.

^^ State Council of Higher Education Report, not "student."

Dear OP - all you need to know are the statistics in the State Council of High Ed statistics that someone posted above. UVA has often been quoted that 90-95% of the ATTENDING students are top ten percent of the class. This does not mean that every single high school in VA sends to top tenpercent or even gets that many accepted. Many high schools and counties send none. Just google UVA 90% and 95% and you will see many citations. In 2012, the figure was 95%. The reason that Teresa Sullivan has backed down from using those figures that is because some URM and poorer students find that figure "demoralizing" and because UVA wants as many students to apply as possible. Here's a College Confidential discussion about the top ten percent figure. https://talk.collegeconfidential.com/university-virginia/1397058-the-all-important-top-10.html.

But what you really need to focus on are the actual statistics of those who show up as first year students: Note from the student posted above that the 75th percentile has a 4.44, Median is 4.29 and 25th percentile is 4.13. Those are for students who were accepted and actually showed up (some had higher and went Ivy). Now, look at the ACT scores: 75th percentile is a 33, which is very high, Median 32, 25th percentile: below 29. Same with SAT: Math 760 and Verbal 740 (total 1500 - I think there is a typo in that column). So there you have it - that is the spread of the GPA averages (4.13 - 4.44) and test scores for the first year students who actually enrolled this year. If your student is in that range, then apply. If not, then look at the other fine Virginia institutions listed on that page. The ranges of GPA, ACT and SAT are provided for all incoming freshman for all Virginia universities and colleges.http://research.schev.edu/enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.asp

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, Langley High. Why so nasty?

Because you're a liar and you continue to promote your lies despite being told repeatedly that you are wrong. People like you are part of the problem with this whole climate around college admissions these days. If you want to traumatize your own family with this garbage, that's fine. But stop sharing your terrible advice. You are completely out to lunch.

Wow. Tipple a bit too much of the wine while cooking turkey?

Anonymous wrote:Yes, Langley High. Why so nasty?

Because you're a liar and you continue to promote your lies despite being told repeatedly that you are wrong. People like you are part of the problem with this whole climate around college admissions these days. If you want to traumatize your own family with this garbage, that's fine. But stop sharing your terrible advice. You are completely out to lunch.

Complain all you want, it's not going to change anything. Plan accordingly.

Had several parents recently explain to me that it's better to send their bright kids to a less competitive public HS like West Potomac, TC Williams, or Edison, in Virginia as opposed to moving to McLean for Langley or McLean. Their rationale is that in-state VA schools make it a "policy" to take kids from the top 10% of each high school in the Commonwealth. So the odds of their child being in the top 10% at West Potomac or TC Williams (especially with a sport like crew behind them) will make them more competitive for UVA or VA Tech than being in the top 25% or so at McLean/Langley. Any truth to this?

Even if this were true, think of your child's education and social experiences in HS. At this age, kids learn far more from their peer group than from adults or teachers. Hypothetically, if a school really sucks, what kind of peers will your student have? Will they be college-bound? The value systems of the other students could have a profound effect on your child.

Not a gamble I'd want to take just so they could get into UVA.

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Anonymous wrote:2017 UVA Admissions

In-State Apps - 10,938 (4,348 Admit), 40%
Out of State Apps - 25,841 (5,710 Admit), 22%

What about mid 50% test scores and average GPAs for in-state versus out of state students?

http://research.schev.edu/enrollment/b12_report.asp

Shows that the SAT scores for ENROLLED students are higher for OOS

I'm not sure I get your point. It's comparing enrolled in-state to enrolled OOS, so it's apples to apples. The instate enrolled kids have higher SAT scores.

Not sure what you are reading.

in-state average: 665V, 671M
out-of-state average: 669V, 700M

The OOS is higher, right?