Anonymous
Post 10/09/2017 12:55     Subject: Re:Trump Sends 70-Point Immigration Bill to Comgress
Anonymous wrote:If Trump sticks to his guns on this issue, even if nothing passes, he will come out ahead. He can say that he could not get it through because of the Democrats and some Republicans.

This is a major area of vulnerability for Democrats and they are caught between a rock and a hard place: they can't alienate the Hispanic lobby by giving in to Trump's demands and at the same time they know that middle America resents illegal immigration and Democrats are the ones championing amnesty for illegals.


Latinos and other immigrants are Middle America. They come here pay taxes, put their kids in school, and bust their butts. America has always grown on the backs of immigrant labor. Same as it ever was. Immigrants appreciate the United States far more than the entitled nativist class that sits around collecting welfare and complaining that others are working. We need more!
Anonymous
Post 10/09/2017 12:55     Subject: Re:Trump Sends 70-Point Immigration Bill to Comgress
Anonymous wrote:It's becoming more and more clear that trump supporters opinions aren't worthy of consideration. You people are too stupid to even converse with.


And the irony is that Trump supporters and most conservatives feel the same way about liberals. They are a waste of time and too stupid to converse with.

BTW, I am not a Trump supporter - don't even vote for Republicans - but I know lots of them and can actually conduct a reasonable conversation with them and that is what they feel about liberals.

Anonymous
Post 10/09/2017 12:50     Subject: Re:Trump Sends 70-Point Immigration Bill to Comgress
It's becoming more and more clear that trump supporters opinions aren't worthy of consideration. You people are too stupid to even converse with.
Anonymous
Post 10/09/2017 12:50     Subject: Re:Trump Sends 70-Point Immigration Bill to Comgress
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote: in immigration were done long ago. Everything else is hard.

More ICE agents? What a joke. That's going to make the problem worse. The backlog in immigration courts is up to four years already. How about fixing the court system instead of the police system. Most of the people here are hard to deport because they have deep family ties and are part of the fabric of American life. Many families consist of mixed immigration status. Are you going to deport mom and leave the US citizen kids? Is that good for America.

Sorry my simple-minded friend. Immigration is hard. Don't fall for the siren song of easy solutions, which is not serious policy, but red meat for the base.


It is not complicated: they are here illegally and have no right to be here. Mass deportation is not the answer but judicious enforcement will work.

Never forget that no matter how long ago they came here, they did so illegally.


But some are eligible for legal status, especially the ones who came here long ago. That's why we have immigration courts. We have always done judicious enforcement, which is what Trump's fantasy list would end.
Anonymous
Post 10/09/2017 12:32     Subject: Re:Trump Sends 70-Point Immigration Bill to Comgress
Anonymous wrote: in immigration were done long ago. Everything else is hard.

More ICE agents? What a joke. That's going to make the problem worse. The backlog in immigration courts is up to four years already. How about fixing the court system instead of the police system. Most of the people here are hard to deport because they have deep family ties and are part of the fabric of American life. Many families consist of mixed immigration status. Are you going to deport mom and leave the US citizen kids? Is that good for America.

Sorry my simple-minded friend. Immigration is hard. Don't fall for the siren song of easy solutions, which is not serious policy, but red meat for the base.


It is not complicated: they are here illegally and have no right to be here. Mass deportation is not the answer but judicious enforcement will work.

Never forget that no matter how long ago they came here, they did so illegally.
Anonymous
Post 10/09/2017 12:28     Subject: Re:Trump Sends 70-Point Immigration Bill to Comgress
If Trump sticks to his guns on this issue, even if nothing passes, he will come out ahead. He can say that he could not get it through because of the Democrats and some Republicans.

This is a major area of vulnerability for Democrats and they are caught between a rock and a hard place: they can't alienate the Hispanic lobby by giving in to Trump's demands and at the same time they know that middle America resents illegal immigration and Democrats are the ones championing amnesty for illegals.
Anonymous
Post 10/09/2017 12:24     Subject: Re:Trump Sends 70-Point Immigration Bill to Comgress
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Is the actual list posted anywhere? Not a summary but a picture of exactly what Trump sent to Congress?

TIA

OP here, and I realize that was just the summary, I've been looking for the actual list of points but thus far haven't found them. (I'd like to see them delineated, as well, as I'm sure that even I would disagree with a few.) I'll look again a little later this morning.


I can't find the actual memo/bill either


Here you go (thanks to CNN): http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2017/images/10/08/final.immigration.priorities.10.08.17.pdf

OP here, and thanks for this.

I notice the liberals aren't complaining about these points, and that's because they make so much sense (the points, that is, not the liberals!) Some of the "no-brainers" include:

- requiring employers to use E-verify, so that Americans won't lose jobs to those ineligible to work
- expanding deportation to include gang members (like duh) and those convicted of crimes in general, including multiple DWIs. (if anything, I'd say ONE DWI could get you kicked out. Illegal immigrants need to appreciate that they broke our laws to come here, remain here by our good graces, and cannot violate any laws designed to protect Americans' lives).
- increasing penalties for repeated illegal entries by those previously deported
- close the loopholes associated with unaccompanied minors
- additional agents to enforce the immigration laws

Those are just a few off the top of my head. Got to get back to work.....


All the "no-brainers" in immigration were done long ago. Everything else is hard.

More ICE agents? What a joke. That's going to make the problem worse. The backlog in immigration courts is up to four years already. How about fixing the court system instead of the police system. Most of the people here are hard to deport because they have deep family ties and are part of the fabric of American life. Many families consist of mixed immigration status. Are you going to deport mom and leave the US citizen kids? Is that good for America.

Sorry my simple-minded friend. Immigration is hard. Don't fall for the siren song of easy solutions, which is not serious policy, but red meat for the base.
Anonymous
Post 10/09/2017 12:20     Subject: Trump Sends 70-Point Immigration Bill to Comgress
Anonymous wrote:
Make America Great Again



How dare you diss America? Who says we are not already great? You are no patriot.
Anonymous
Post 10/09/2017 12:16     Subject: Trump Sends 70-Point Immigration Bill to Comgress
Alll this is is Stephen Miller's wishlist. It's mostly the same old stuff that has been shot down before. It's not a bill, it's not even a proposal, just a staffer's fantasy.

The states won't go along. The GOP won't go along. The Dems won't go along. These ideas are meant to stimulate the mouth-breathing base and cover up the fact that Trump has become weak and almost powerless as a president.
Anonymous
Post 10/09/2017 12:11     Subject: Trump Sends 70-Point Immigration Bill to Comgress
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Not a bill OP. Just a vague plan. Trump doesn't do policy. He's an impotent President.


So what are the rumors about him and Hope Hicks if he is impotent?


He can probably still grope even if he can't get it up.


OK that explains it ......
Anonymous
Post 10/09/2017 12:07     Subject: Trump Sends 70-Point Immigration Bill to Comgress
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Not a bill OP. Just a vague plan. Trump doesn't do policy. He's an impotent President.


So what are the rumors about him and Hope Hicks if he is impotent?


He can probably still grope even if he can't get it up.
Anonymous
Post 10/09/2017 11:59     Subject: Re:Trump Sends 70-Point Immigration Bill to Comgress
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Is the actual list posted anywhere? Not a summary but a picture of exactly what Trump sent to Congress?

TIA

OP here, and I realize that was just the summary, I've been looking for the actual list of points but thus far haven't found them. (I'd like to see them delineated, as well, as I'm sure that even I would disagree with a few.) I'll look again a little later this morning.


I can't find the actual memo/bill either


Here you go (thanks to CNN): http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2017/images/10/08/final.immigration.priorities.10.08.17.pdf

OP here, and thanks for this.

I notice the liberals aren't complaining about these points, and that's because they make so much sense (the points, that is, not the liberals!) Some of the "no-brainers" include:

- requiring employers to use E-verify, so that Americans won't lose jobs to those ineligible to work
- expanding deportation to include gang members (like duh) and those convicted of crimes in general, including multiple DWIs. (if anything, I'd say ONE DWI could get you kicked out. Illegal immigrants need to appreciate that they broke our laws to come here, remain here by our good graces, and cannot violate any laws designed to protect Americans' lives).
- increasing penalties for repeated illegal entries by those previously deported
- close the loopholes associated with unaccompanied minors
- additional agents to enforce the immigration laws

Those are just a few off the top of my head. Got to get back to work.....


Consider working on your noticing skills.

The only thing I noticed was liberals complaining that I and other Conservatives are bigoted against "brown" people, as is their normal M.O., or complaining in general terms that they don't like getting control of illegal aliens or modifying the wide-open attitude that everyone has to be accepted to the country. I haven't seen people refute, for example, the points I mentioned above as no-brainers. Unless you WANT emoloyers to hire illegals over Americans, protect the gang members and drunk drivers, and look the other way when deportees sneak back five times?
Anonymous
Post 10/09/2017 11:52     Subject: Trump Sends 70-Point Immigration Bill to Comgress
Anonymous wrote:Not a bill OP. Just a vague plan. Trump doesn't do policy. He's an impotent President.


So what are the rumors about him and Hope Hicks if he is impotent?
Anonymous
Post 10/09/2017 11:51     Subject: Re:Trump Sends 70-Point Immigration Bill to Comgress
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Is the actual list posted anywhere? Not a summary but a picture of exactly what Trump sent to Congress?

TIA

OP here, and I realize that was just the summary, I've been looking for the actual list of points but thus far haven't found them. (I'd like to see them delineated, as well, as I'm sure that even I would disagree with a few.) I'll look again a little later this morning.


I can't find the actual memo/bill either


Here you go (thanks to CNN): http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2017/images/10/08/final.immigration.priorities.10.08.17.pdf

OP here, and thanks for this.

I notice the liberals aren't complaining about these points, and that's because they make so much sense (the points, that is, not the liberals!) Some of the "no-brainers" include:

- requiring employers to use E-verify, so that Americans won't lose jobs to those ineligible to work
- expanding deportation to include gang members (like duh) and those convicted of crimes in general, including multiple DWIs. (if anything, I'd say ONE DWI could get you kicked out. Illegal immigrants need to appreciate that they broke our laws to come here, remain here by our good graces, and cannot violate any laws designed to protect Americans' lives).
- increasing penalties for repeated illegal entries by those previously deported
- close the loopholes associated with unaccompanied minors
- additional agents to enforce the immigration laws

Those are just a few off the top of my head. Got to get back to work.....


Consider working on your noticing skills.
Anonymous
Post 10/09/2017 11:49     Subject: Re:Trump Sends 70-Point Immigration Bill to Comgress
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Is the actual list posted anywhere? Not a summary but a picture of exactly what Trump sent to Congress?

TIA

OP here, and I realize that was just the summary, I've been looking for the actual list of points but thus far haven't found them. (I'd like to see them delineated, as well, as I'm sure that even I would disagree with a few.) I'll look again a little later this morning.


I can't find the actual memo/bill either


Here you go (thanks to CNN): http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2017/images/10/08/final.immigration.priorities.10.08.17.pdf

OP here, and thanks for this.

I notice the liberals aren't complaining about these points, and that's because they make so much sense (the points, that is, not the liberals!) Some of the "no-brainers" include:

- requiring employers to use E-verify, so that Americans won't lose jobs to those ineligible to work
- expanding deportation to include gang members (like duh) and those convicted of crimes in general, including multiple DWIs. (if anything, I'd say ONE DWI could get you kicked out. Illegal immigrants need to appreciate that they broke our laws to come here, remain here by our good graces, and cannot violate any laws designed to protect Americans' lives).
- increasing penalties for repeated illegal entries by those previously deported
- close the loopholes associated with unaccompanied minors
- additional agents to enforce the immigration laws

Those are just a few off the top of my head. Got to get back to work.....