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Anonymous wrote:The problem is that "taking a knee" now is no longer about the flag, it's about the president. To everyone who whines about athletes disrespecting the flag, I respond, "no, they're disrespecting Trump. As is their right as citiziens. And, by the way, he deserves it."

They can say it's about the president, but they are thumbing their nose at the flag and the country. This is not the way to protest the president. They are essentially giving the finger to the flag and those who fought for it.

You can try to spin it--but that is what they are doing.

That is what Kapernick did, as well, when he was protesting the police. Go out and say whatever you like, but he gave his finger to the Americans who fought and died for him.

Yes.

On the note of K and the nfl, the nfl has a league regulation that all players are to stand repsectfully and quietly on the sidelines with their helmet by their sides when the national anthem plays, or be subject to fines and/or suspensions, even on first offenses. This should have been shut down day one.

Anonymous wrote:I remember sporting events n the 1980s when fat white men would yell at people to stand and take their hats off.

Hoze "fat white men" in the 80s likely bled on the beaches of Normandy and Okinawa. Don't be an ass.

Anonymous wrote:The problem is that "taking a knee" now is no longer about the flag, it's about the president. To everyone who whines about athletes disrespecting the flag, I respond, "no, they're disrespecting Trump. As is their right as citiziens. And, by the way, he deserves it."

They can say it's about the president, but they are thumbing their nose at the flag and the country. This is not the way to protest the president. They are essentially giving the finger to the flag and those who fought for it.

You can try to spin it--but that is what they are doing.

That is what Kapernick did, as well, when he was protesting the police. Go out and say whatever you like, but he gave his finger to the Americans who fought and died for him.

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Anonymous wrote:Kneeling in elementary school might be disruptive. Keeping silent or remaining seated might be better ideas.

I'm a teacher and I would not have a problem with this if they could tell me why they are doing it.

I am sure you mean well but it is their constitutional right to NOT say the pledge of allegiance. I don't want you to be fired if you made a stink (making kids explain their stance) about not saying the pledge.

It's already gone to the supreme court and has been ruled on, so you opinion does not really matter.

No, the Supreme Court did not say that students can be disruptive. Students do not have to say th Pledge, as a free speech/religion issue. That means they can stand and be silent. Or, if necessary, exit the room.

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Anonymous wrote:Kneeling in elementary school might be disruptive. Keeping silent or remaining seated might be better ideas.

Civil disobedience is meant to be disruptive. That's how it works.

You need to learn a little about what rights students have at school. Do some research.
“Disruptive” civil disobedience can result in suspension/expulsion.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Kneeling in elementary school might be disruptive. Keeping silent or remaining seated might be better ideas.

I'm a teacher and I would not have a problem with this if they could tell me why they are doing it.

I am sure you mean well but it is their constitutional right to NOT say the pledge of allegiance. I don't want you to be fired if you made a stink (making kids explain their stance) about not saying the pledge.

It's already gone to the supreme court and has been ruled on, so you opinion does not really matter.

Your strident and needlessly indignant reaction here misses the point, pp. PP is a teacher. If the whole point of taking a knee is to protest the treatment of black citizens and spark a dialogue/discussion, you're upbraiding a teacher for wanting to probe why some kid would do this? I'm pretty sure pp doesn't intend to "make a stink" but rather facilitate a conversation. Why don't you simmer the hell down?

The problem is that "taking a knee" now is no longer about the flag, it's about the president. To everyone who whines about athletes disrespecting the flag, I respond, "no, they're disrespecting Trump. As is their right as citiziens. And, by the way, he deserves it."

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Anonymous wrote:Kneeling in elementary school might be disruptive. Keeping silent or remaining seated might be better ideas.

I'm a teacher and I would not have a problem with this if they could tell me why they are doing it.

I am sure you mean well but it is their constitutional right to NOT say the pledge of allegiance. I don't want you to be fired if you made a stink (making kids explain their stance) about not saying the pledge.

It's already gone to the supreme court and has been ruled on, so you opinion does not really matter.

I remember sporting events n the 1980s when fat white men would yell at people to stand and take their hats off.

Anonymous wrote:What, exactly, does kneeling during the Pledge indicate? Why are some people doing it? What's the point, especially if you're an American citizen?

I think originally it was a rejection of the call to "please rise" before the anthem was played in sports stadiums.

I don't care if teachers or kids do it. I personally won't b/c I'm not ready to have that conversation with my kids. However, I'm curious how people can say elem. kids are being indoctrinated if they kneel when we are telling that that standing and saying the pledge every day is the thing to do. How is that not indoctrination? Also, if kids who are older can make up their minds, why are we having kids too young to understand say it by default? I just think people need to think about the arguments they are making.

Posted this on a different thread.

I was a teacher.
Years ago, I taught a child who was a Jehovah's Witness. (There were several in our school.) The policy in our school--set by the principal--was that the child was to stand during the pledge out of respect for others in the class. He also had the option of leaving the room and standing in the hall while we said it. He usually just stood.

I'm not sure what the policy was during the National Anthem. This was first grade and we did not play the National Anthem that I can recall. We did frequently sing patriotic songs in class (I love them, and so did the kids), and I don't recall whether he did or not. We sang Stars and Stripes Forever, America, God Bless America, You're a Grand Old Flag, etc. The kids loved those songs. (I did not have any immigrant kids--this was primarily a poor African American community.)

Why would your child take a knee?

Anonymous wrote:Would you be supportive if the teacher took a knee?

No. I'd think it's moronic. But of course this is a free country, unlike say Cuba.

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Anonymous wrote:Friday night the kids at the high school said a prayer before the game. Over the PA system. Then the band played he anthem. Everyone stood.

God I love the South !

Yep nothing like the South, still trying to impose their views on everyone else. Make sure everyone knows the Christian God is the right one through prayer. Can't be overtly racist any longer, but we can make sure non-Christians understand they are inferior in public still.

And these players are not trying to use the protest to impose their anti-police views on everyone else?

All people have an anti-getting-killed-by-the-police view (except for suicide-by-cop). Some are more vocal than others.