Anonymous
09/06/2017 17:51
Subject: Re:Trump Says If Congress Can't Fix DACA, He Will
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Trump did the right thing.
Obama over-reached and possibly acted illegally. Just because Congress does not act does not mean that the president can act on his own and Obama knew this because he said on multiple occasions that he did not have the authority to act without congressional action when it comes to illegals.
It is for Congress to act in the next six months and thereafter unless Trump or any other president can find a LEGAL remedy to deal with "dreamers" their status would be in limbo and potentially they would be subject to deportation as are the other 11 million illegals.
FWIW, I support congressional action to give the dreamers legal status but I don't support any president unilaterally doing so.
What would have happened if the courts had ruled DACA to be unconstitutional? The dreamers would be in the same position that they were before Obama's DACA order.
The real problem is when presidents issue EOs that have dubious legal standing.
If the courts had ruled DACA to be unconstitutional, would the dreamers have been immediately subject to deportation? (no grace period?)
They are already subject to deportation. The president just gets to decide enforcement priorities.
Anonymous
09/06/2017 17:50
Subject: Re:Trump Says If Congress Can't Fix DACA, He Will
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Trump did the right thing.
Obama over-reached and possibly acted illegally. Just because Congress does not act does not mean that the president can act on his own and Obama knew this because he said on multiple occasions that he did not have the authority to act without congressional action when it comes to illegals.
It is for Congress to act in the next six months and thereafter unless Trump or any other president can find a LEGAL remedy to deal with "dreamers" their status would be in limbo and potentially they would be subject to deportation as are the other 11 million illegals.
FWIW, I support congressional action to give the dreamers legal status but I don't support any president unilaterally doing so.
What would have happened if the courts had ruled DACA to be unconstitutional? The dreamers would be in the same position that they were before Obama's DACA order.
The real problem is when presidents issue EOs that have dubious legal standing.
Good to see you support the rule of law. So did President Obama. That's why he took the steps he did. He did not create a visa or give the Dreamers green cards. He just decided to deport them last, after we deport all the illegal criminals and terrorists who are in the country. His action was legal as ruled by the court in the DAPA case. Because Congress didn't act, the Dreamers have always been in limbo, even with President Obama's careful and reasoned solution. There is nothing dubious about a president deciding how the law is enforced. That's what presidents do.
DAPA was blocked by the Appeals court
Wrong. Only part of DAPA was denied by the court. The court sided with the president on the deferred action part, the key for our purposes here.
Anonymous
09/06/2017 16:50
Subject: Re:Trump Says If Congress Can't Fix DACA, He Will
Anonymous wrote:Trump did the right thing.
Obama over-reached and possibly acted illegally. Just because Congress does not act does not mean that the president can act on his own and Obama knew this because he said on multiple occasions that he did not have the authority to act without congressional action when it comes to illegals.
It is for Congress to act in the next six months and thereafter unless Trump or any other president can find a LEGAL remedy to deal with "dreamers" their status would be in limbo and potentially they would be subject to deportation as are the other 11 million illegals.
FWIW, I support congressional action to give the dreamers legal status but I don't support any president unilaterally doing so.
What would have happened if the courts had ruled DACA to be unconstitutional? The dreamers would be in the same position that they were before Obama's DACA order.
The real problem is when presidents issue EOs that have dubious legal standing.
If the courts had ruled DACA to be unconstitutional, would the dreamers have been immediately subject to deportation? (no grace period?)
Anonymous
09/06/2017 14:51
Subject: Re:Trump Says If Congress Can't Fix DACA, He Will
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Trump did the right thing.
Obama over-reached and possibly acted illegally. Just because Congress does not act does not mean that the president can act on his own and Obama knew this because he said on multiple occasions that he did not have the authority to act without congressional action when it comes to illegals.
It is for Congress to act in the next six months and thereafter unless Trump or any other president can find a LEGAL remedy to deal with "dreamers" their status would be in limbo and potentially they would be subject to deportation as are the other 11 million illegals.
FWIW, I support congressional action to give the dreamers legal status but I don't support any president unilaterally doing so.
What would have happened if the courts had ruled DACA to be unconstitutional? The dreamers would be in the same position that they were before Obama's DACA order.
The real problem is when presidents issue EOs that have dubious legal standing.
Good to see you support the rule of law. So did President Obama. That's why he took the steps he did. He did not create a visa or give the Dreamers green cards. He just decided to deport them last, after we deport all the illegal criminals and terrorists who are in the country. His action was legal as ruled by the court in the DAPA case. Because Congress didn't act, the Dreamers have always been in limbo, even with President Obama's careful and reasoned solution. There is nothing dubious about a president deciding how the law is enforced. That's what presidents do.
DAPA was blocked by the Appeals court
Anonymous
09/06/2017 14:49
Subject: Re:Trump Says If Congress Can't Fix DACA, He Will
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Trump did the right thing.
Obama over-reached and possibly acted illegally. Just because Congress does not act does not mean that the president can act on his own and Obama knew this because he said on multiple occasions that he did not have the authority to act without congressional action when it comes to illegals.
It is for Congress to act in the next six months and thereafter unless Trump or any other president can find a LEGAL remedy to deal with "dreamers" their status would be in limbo and potentially they would be subject to deportation as are the other 11 million illegals.
FWIW, I support congressional action to give the dreamers legal status but I don't support any president unilaterally doing so.
What would have happened if the courts had ruled DACA to be unconstitutional? The dreamers would be in the same position that they were before Obama's DACA order.
The real problem is when presidents issue EOs that have dubious legal standing.
Good to see you support the rule of law. So did President Obama. That's why he took the steps he did. He did not create a visa or give the Dreamers green cards. He just decided to deport them last, after we deport all the illegal criminals and terrorists who are in the country. His action was legal as ruled by the court in the DAPA case. Because Congress didn't act, the Dreamers have always been in limbo, even with President Obama's careful and reasoned solution. There is nothing dubious about a president deciding how the law is enforced. That's what presidents do.
Well, Obama's successor decided to do away with DACA and said that it was for Congress to act. So, why fault Trump? He is not throwing them out - he is rightly saying that it is for Congress to act and pass appropriate legislation.
You are right: I think it is important that presidents follow the law and when they take it on themselves to unilaterally act it is damaging. Like I said I support granting the dreamers legal status but that does not mean that I supported Obama's action. Once we go start approving questionable actions by a president because it comports to our view, it is a slippery slope.
Anonymous
09/06/2017 14:38
Subject: Re:Trump Says If Congress Can't Fix DACA, He Will
Anonymous wrote:Trump did the right thing.
Obama over-reached and possibly acted illegally. Just because Congress does not act does not mean that the president can act on his own and Obama knew this because he said on multiple occasions that he did not have the authority to act without congressional action when it comes to illegals.
It is for Congress to act in the next six months and thereafter unless Trump or any other president can find a LEGAL remedy to deal with "dreamers" their status would be in limbo and potentially they would be subject to deportation as are the other 11 million illegals.
FWIW, I support congressional action to give the dreamers legal status but I don't support any president unilaterally doing so.
What would have happened if the courts had ruled DACA to be unconstitutional? The dreamers would be in the same position that they were before Obama's DACA order.
The real problem is when presidents issue EOs that have dubious legal standing.
I seem to remember Obama threatening that "if Congress doesn't take action, I'll do it myself" on some issue, likely related to this. He had a pen and phone, you know.
Anonymous
09/06/2017 14:38
Subject: Re:Trump Says If Congress Can't Fix DACA, He Will
Anonymous wrote:Trump did the right thing.
Obama over-reached and possibly acted illegally. Just because Congress does not act does not mean that the president can act on his own and Obama knew this because he said on multiple occasions that he did not have the authority to act without congressional action when it comes to illegals.
It is for Congress to act in the next six months and thereafter unless Trump or any other president can find a LEGAL remedy to deal with "dreamers" their status would be in limbo and potentially they would be subject to deportation as are the other 11 million illegals.
FWIW, I support congressional action to give the dreamers legal status but I don't support any president unilaterally doing so.
What would have happened if the courts had ruled DACA to be unconstitutional? The dreamers would be in the same position that they were before Obama's DACA order.
The real problem is when presidents issue EOs that have dubious legal standing.
Good to see you support the rule of law. So did President Obama. That's why he took the steps he did. He did not create a visa or give the Dreamers green cards. He just decided to deport them last, after we deport all the illegal criminals and terrorists who are in the country. His action was legal as ruled by the court in the DAPA case. Because Congress didn't act, the Dreamers have always been in limbo, even with President Obama's careful and reasoned solution. There is nothing dubious about a president deciding how the law is enforced. That's what presidents do.
Anonymous
09/06/2017 14:33
Subject: Re:Trump Says If Congress Can't Fix DACA, He Will
Anonymous wrote:Trump did the right thing.
Obama over-reached and possibly acted illegally. Just because Congress does not act does not mean that the president can act on his own and Obama knew this because he said on multiple occasions that he did not have the authority to act without congressional action when it comes to illegals.
It is for Congress to act in the next six months and thereafter unless Trump or any other president can find a LEGAL remedy to deal with "dreamers" their status would be in limbo and potentially they would be subject to deportation as are the other 11 million illegals.
FWIW, I support congressional action to give the dreamers legal status but I don't support any president unilaterally doing so.
What would have happened if the courts had ruled DACA to be unconstitutional? The dreamers would be in the same position that they were before Obama's DACA order.
The real problem is when presidents issue EOs that have dubious legal standing.
Exactly.
And, remember that the first word in “DACA” is “Deferred.” This was never a permanent solution. It needs to become codified. The president cannot do that without Congress.
I agree, this was the correct decision by Trump.