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Anonymous wrote:Please don't lump us in with the likes of Liberty University.
-Wheaton College grad.

I don't blame you for making that distinction. I can't take any college seriously that teaches creationism as a science.

I don't blame you, either, and that brings up a slightly o/t question that maybe someone here can answer:

Patrick Henry apparently lost its accredation because it teaches creation science, so how is it that Liberty manages to stay accredited?

I live in NoVa. Our high school actually has a decent amount of students going to Liberty every year. While I am not a fan of the school at all, I do notice that none I know attending fulfill the perceived stereotype of a typical Liberty student. They're either athletic recruits or come from pretty regular Christian families, or both. When I saw regular, I mean not uber traditional and committed. They attend service and the kids are involved in youth groups and the likes but that's it. They've all come from fairly well off families and are all very nice and (as far as I know) open minded kids.

Of course that's a very small sample size, just my observations.

Anonymous wrote:Please don't lump us in with the likes of Liberty University.
-Wheaton College grad.

I don't blame you for making that distinction. I can't take any college seriously that teaches creationism as a science.

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Anonymous wrote:Not personally. But I had an opposing counsel who was a Liberty grad. Honestly, he was a nice guy, reasonably intelligent, and seemed pretty normal.

There was a guy in our class at UVA law who graduated from Liberty. He had had an extremely religious upbringing, and seemed very sheltered, but he was very intelligent.

There was a guy at my law school who had gone to Liberty undergrad, he was very nice. And his BFF at law school was a guy from Turkey and Muslim. Go figure.

He told us that Libery is very serious about a code of conduct for students, no drinking, no premarital sex, no homosexuals, pro life, etc. this was the late 90s. They have to sign a pledge and can be thrown out of school for violating it (like an honor code). He was very, very religious and conservative and had been homeschooled. But he was very nice and accepting of other people.

Stereotype much? We are ^^ and my DC's best friend is also Muslim. Maybe you should be more "very nice and accepting of other people". Why do you assume all conservatives are evil? Maybe you need to think about how you're part of the problem.

But yes, unfortunately OP, I don't really see my DC's top SAT scores/public M&S magnet grades lining up with a more religious school, and I imagine it's the same for a good number of kids in this competitive area.

Not PP, but conservatives are constantly trying to take rights away from others (women, LGBT, Muslims, immigrants, etc). If you need examples check any regular newspaper (not FoxNews!) for what the current administration is trying to do. They aren't getting much done (fortunately) but would love to do much, much more.

If you say that you are "accepting of others" then how can you take away their rights? Either you do or you don't. Can't say you do just because your DC has a Muslim friend. You still vote to take rights away from other Muslims. Gays. Trans. Women.

So if I met someone from Liberty I'd also be surprised if he/she were "very nice and accepting of others". And not just in some superficial way.

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Anonymous wrote:Please don't lump us in with the likes of Liberty University.
-Wheaton College grad.

The same Wheaton College that suspended a professor for saying Muslims and Christians believe in the same god?

https://www.thefire.org/wheaton-college-shows-what-a-warning-school-looks-like/

Well if you don't agree with their actions that's fine - their beliefs are not for everyone - but Wheaton is a respected, rigorous liberal arts college whose rank is similar to schools like Lawrence, Muhlenberg, St.Olaf, Sarah Lawrence etc. aka schools DCUMs seemingly have no issue with and are pretty "legitimate".

Liberty is basically a step above a for-profit college and is not seen as a serious academic institution.

It's hard to be a serious academic institution when religious orthodoxy is more important than academic freedom of speech. And that's true for both Wheaton and Liberty.

As opposed to most other universities and colleges where Libera orthodoxy is more important than academic freedom of speech?

*liberal*

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Please don't lump us in with the likes of Liberty University.
-Wheaton College grad.

The same Wheaton College that suspended a professor for saying Muslims and Christians believe in the same god?

https://www.thefire.org/wheaton-college-shows-what-a-warning-school-looks-like/

Well if you don't agree with their actions that's fine - their beliefs are not for everyone - but Wheaton is a respected, rigorous liberal arts college whose rank is similar to schools like Lawrence, Muhlenberg, St.Olaf, Sarah Lawrence etc. aka schools DCUMs seemingly have no issue with and are pretty "legitimate".

Liberty is basically a step above a for-profit college and is not seen as a serious academic institution.

It's hard to be a serious academic institution when religious orthodoxy is more important than academic freedom of speech. And that's true for both Wheaton and Liberty.

As opposed to most other universities and colleges where Libera orthodoxy is more important than academic freedom of speech?

Anonymous wrote:In actual practice a good many religious affiliated privates have very limited or no religion based requirements, presence or feel. You have to check out the campuses and talk to students to get an understanding of how things work at a particular school.

True. I think at a lot of these schools the religion is sports.

In actual practice a good many religious affiliated privates have very limited or no religion based requirements, presence or feel. You have to check out the campuses and talk to students to get an understanding of how things work at a particular school.

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Anonymous wrote:Not personally. But I had an opposing counsel who was a Liberty grad. Honestly, he was a nice guy, reasonably intelligent, and seemed pretty normal.

There was a guy in our class at UVA law who graduated from Liberty. He had had an extremely religious upbringing, and seemed very sheltered, but he was very intelligent.

There was a guy at my law school who had gone to Liberty undergrad, he was very nice. And his BFF at law school was a guy from Turkey and Muslim. Go figure.

He told us that Libery is very serious about a code of conduct for students, no drinking, no premarital sex, no homosexuals, pro life, etc. this was the late 90s. They have to sign a pledge and can be thrown out of school for violating it (like an honor code). He was very, very religious and conservative and had been homeschooled. But he was very nice and accepting of other people.

Stereotype much? We are ^^ and my DC's best friend is also Muslim. Maybe you should be more "very nice and accepting of other people". Why do you assume all conservatives are evil? Maybe you need to think about how you're part of the problem.

But yes, unfortunately OP, I don't really see my DC's top SAT scores/public M&S magnet grades lining up with a more religious school, and I imagine it's the same for a good number of kids in this competitive area.

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Anonymous wrote:Not personally. But I had an opposing counsel who was a Liberty grad. Honestly, he was a nice guy, reasonably intelligent, and seemed pretty normal.

There was a guy in our class at UVA law who graduated from Liberty. He had had an extremely religious upbringing, and seemed very sheltered, but he was very intelligent.

There was a guy at my law school who had gone to Liberty undergrad, he was very nice. And his BFF at law school was a guy from Turkey and Muslim. Go figure.

He told us that Libery is very serious about a code of conduct for students, no drinking, no premarital sex, no homosexuals, pro life, etc. this was the late 90s. They have to sign a pledge and can be thrown out of school for violating it (like an honor code). He was very, very religious and conservative and had been homeschooled. But he was very nice and accepting of other people.

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Anonymous wrote:I live in Fairfax Co. and know four families who sent their kids to Liberty (two online, two to the actual university). I can't think of a way to put this politely, but I seriously doubt any of the kids had the grades to get into any of the more respected religious schools. One of the kids went there after dropping out of NOVA midway through her first semester because she couldn't keep up with the curriculum.

Yikes. That's pretty close to the Beltway. I didn't realize they were so close.

I though y'all were kind and tolerant folks. Guess not?

Wait, aren't you the 18 year old woman hating fascist poster?

Grew up in a rural/suburban area and knew someone who went to Wheaton, as well as Messiah and others (not Liberty). Wheaton seems really good and the person I knew who went there is smart, accomplished, and (FWIW) quite liberal now.

From my HS, going to someplace like Messiah or another "bible college" wasn't so unusual, and it didn't even mean the family was all that religious. It was more often a first generation college student choosing a college that seemed OK and was affordable. (We had crap college counseling at our HS).